Is Nihilus Drain Force bypassing Tenacity Up WAI?
When Rex has tenacity up buff on team, Nihilus still raises cooldowns. Seems like it should work like turn meter reduction so it is subject to tenacity-potency formula, but it is not doing so currently. Would appreciate clarity on WAI or not!
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By that reasoning neither is turn meter reduction
Does tenacity up prevent zader TM reduction? I haven't run zader in a very long time so don't remember.
There is a mistake with it but devs dont accept this. They should change dn skill explanation or fix it.
Xio
Do you have a link? I tried searching but came up empty.
That explanation still doesn't really make sense when held up against TMR which you could say "is not a debuff, it applies specifically to turn meter." Tenacity up blocks TMR other than Vader lead, but that is explicitly stated as irresistable. Nihilus is not explicitly stated.
Xio
(Give Ewoks back thier right, or bust nihilius)
It's not great, it's broken.
If Ewoks can be resisted, cooldown increase can be.
(Salty about Ewok nerfs)
(Daze ruins Ewoks)
(Add "TM can't be prevented" to Chirpa's leader)
The last line of that thread, Kozispon says "All fair points. We've submitted a bug on the inconsistency of Tenacity Up against TM removal and Cooldown Increase to see what we can see."
So I guess it's still a bit of an open debate. Good link, thanks!!!
Looks like @Xioborg found my quote- and is correct! This has been flagged as a bug.
YEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!
Ewoks+1 point!
(Of cours I'm stilled annnoyed that 1. Other factions take Ewoks thing (huge TM gain, TM reduce and stealth) 2. Other factions keep getting nerf Ewoks (daze no revive)
My guess is they say TMR remains resistible and Drain Force gets an updated description saying it's irresistible. Everyone's happy, then.
Would make sense and be appropriate for one of the mightiest sith which ever existed.
But yes #maketeebogrtagain
Exactly how I feel, I've invested two zetas in him and built my entire squad around nihlus
Just because something was flagged as a bug doesn't mean it will get changed. for the most part it just means it is getting looked at and one day may get changed or could be left alone.
+2
Making Drain Force resistable would be such a nerf that the devs would have to refund both Zetas, which indirectly means that people will spend less money working to get more zetas faster. In other words it's a lose-lose: the 77.4672% of all players who use Nih will be salty and EA will make less earnings which drive its stock price.
TM reduction and CD reduction are two very different things. The whole CD reduction mechanic was designed to be irresistible for both DT and Nih, therefore there's no need to explicitly state that it's irresistable.
Don't worry man they just flagged it as a bug, they didn't say they will fix it lol
Probably you will be changed your nihilus when they fix it
I get that they're different things, but clarify why you think they're "very different" in regards to a tenacity check, based on their application and description IN-GAME.
Design intent is not conveyed in-game, so what's the harm in just cleaning up the ability description and making it all nice and clear for everyone? If it DID say irresistable at release, would you argue that "irresistable" should be removed from the description? I don't follow your logic.
They would probably not put "can't be resisted" in the description for something new like this. It allows them to change it later after testing and not technically be a nerf.
Right now they could come along and say oh it was always intended to be reisistable/unreisistable and the description currently supports both those answers.
But...they did exactly that with Vader's zeta.
But #makeewoksgreatagain
Still pushing for Chirpa lead give: no TM gain prevent and/or no TM reduction prevent.