I run a zQGJ squad without kenobi
. I'm going to zeta BM as soon as I get ten more zeta mats. Tenacity up is absolutely necessary when facing these empire and sith teams. Debuffs stack very quickly and getting second round of tenacity up a turn early should give me a bit more survivability. zBM won't make my Jedi competitive, though. As soon as a toon gets hit with shock or buff immunity, they are done for. 100% of the time. I feel that Yoda, a special event toon like Palpatine, should be a counter to Palpatine. That should include cleansing the debuffs that Palpatine is able to apply.
Jedi already contend with double damage from Maul, unavoidable damage from Vader (through foresight, wat?), extra debuff/ shock chance from Dooku, extra evasion for Sidious, and probably more that I'm missing. On top of that, Palpatine can prevent both foresight and tenacity up. I am bullied on my shard because my jedi are snacks to the zMaul teams.
Yoda was released before EP, and may have been good at that time. Toons have gotten better and better in this power creep, which is fine. I don't expect every character to get reworked to keep up with the new, more powerful toons. I think that Yoda, as a necessary part of any Jedi team, should get a little buff in the form of a cleanse. (Yes, I know kenobi has a cleanse. Don't have him)
I want to know what effect the community feels adding a cleanse to Battle Meditation would have on the game.
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Reasoning: they made changes to phasma Zeta with FO rework but including advantage at the start of battle and can't get crit whilst having advantage as far as I remember
My fingers shall remain crossed
Ooooh there's an idea. That would change the game... or at least make B2/Deathtrooper/Baze necessary
That would be great, another possible but not overwhelming lead to spread out the meta.
And b2 is a spot taken up on the opponents team with a toon that does 0 dmg. I'm glad when I see b2, it's like fighting a squad of 4.
Devs need to rework general grevious lead ability to give 100% (or 50%) tm to all allies on a dodge. Including foresight.
I have no issue with yoda cleansing on zBM... he really does need it.
@QuiGonJesus did you Zeta him yet and if so how you finding it?
With that avatar it should have have been phrased; From my point of view, lol.
I didn't think yoda's BM Zeta added much to him - given the fact if your running yoda it's prob under QGJ Zeta lead so he's got foresight already anyway. Giving him a cleanse with it (like rex's) would add another dimension to his Zeta and might make me consider it.
There are 3 cleanser teams out there right now, this would be adding a fourth to their repertoire. If I thought this would only help Jedi teams, I might consider it a good move, but this isn't going to help Jedi in the long run. Just add another layer to the hybrid teams.
It's not hard to make it specific to only Jedis. Remove debuff from him and Jedi allies ...
Btw, I like the idea, especially when you know that Yoda wants to apply BM with Buff Immunity by AI.
@War by 3 cleanse teams do you mean 3 cleanse toons?
GK - top 5-10% of guilds only
Chirut - pay wall
Rex - truly farmable
Given the amount of toons that add dots/other debuffs I dont see how a 4th cleanser (and one that's a bit more farmable) would make anything unfair?
Add rex to that
But zYoda helps out my zQGJ alot. Especially in this meta since SA with maul will make the whole team outspeed yours. GK cleanses my team and Yoda adds tenacity up and foresight then it's my turn.
I did add rex he's under chirut.
Ah so GK makes your yoda BM viable then? He needs a cleanse before him?
I don't have GK (yet) and was never convinced what BM would add - I am considering it for when I unlock GK though
GK is no longer top 5-10% of guilds only now, I even unlocked him today. Once your guild is HAAT ready, it'll happen sooner than you think. Chirrut is farmable now, and I saw a lot of him before then even. Rex is the most common one, yes.
Also Tenaciy Up would stop five Vader's, if possible, from adding DoT's. How does number of debuff toons matter, when Tenacity Up prevents all buffs period? We should be be looking at number dispellers for this conversation, of which I believe there are three viable options; DT, B2, and Baze. None of them even have synergy with each other, so you don't see three dispeller teams.
How many GK do you see outside the top 20 in arena? - I'll havebhim unlocked in about a month - he was originally suppose to be top 1%, I think 10% is a generous estimate.
It doesn't stop vader and debuff teams, it's timing - if your running Zader with bobba you just have to time all the dots before/inbetween tenacity up.
Yeah chirut is farmable....from one slot in ship store on a 1 in 14 rotation at best....he's farmable if your a whale with crystals to burn in shipments.
As for dispell - Baze (I wouldn't call farmable either) etc are AOE dispellers, as I think is TFP? You could add QGJ, mace, bobba, sun fac, Ezra, nihilus, plo etc
TFP's not a dispeller, that's why DT is so good, he's the first Empire toon who can dispel debuffs. It is all about timing with debuffs and Tenaciy Up right now, and if you're going up against double or triple cleanser with Tenaciy Up, it's some pretty tight timing. If one of three cleanses while putting Tenacity Up in effect, you better hope a dispeller is up next with that special off cool down, and isn't stunned or ability blocked, otherwise you're out of luck. No need to add a fourth cleanser to that.
I'm of course only referring to AoE dispelers, because Tenacity Up is an AoE buff.