Ok, so not trying to start one of those tired "Trilogy Wars" debates. I want to know if you think Disney/Abrams went too far in their quest to please "Star Wars Purists and RLM fans".
I was sad to hear Lucas was also underwhelmed by the new movie (so much he made a controversial statement about Disney that he was forced to take back). It's bad enough the fans painted him to be the Devil, but to have the people he trusted jump on the band wagon to ensure profit and good reviews just seems really disgusting.
The man is in his 70's and has given up on film making because he couldn't handle the
personal attacks from the intertornet that went well beyond constructive feed back about diologe or casting.
I just hope he still proud of his accomplishments as a pioneer in cinema, technology, and business. For all that he's done, he doesn't deasrve the "inky goo" he's gotten from us, and essentially not from Jar Jar Abrams or Disney.
The thing is you just can't yell "get off of my lawn" after you have sold your house. If you do you open yourself up to "inky goo"..
That's interesting, but that's a common theme with movies, and sometimes they don always work out. Poe in Episode 7 originally was written as haveing died in the Tie crash. As much as I loved Poe, his miraculous return was horribly executed that he probably should have been replaced with a new character.
Fact: he originally wanted to be on kyasskh (sp) with an army of wookies, but it was either out of the budget, or hard to find 50 Peter Mayhews. Opinion:He instead made them ewoks. Wookie pronounced backwards.
Ewoks or muppets.. He sold out before he sold out.
I think George Lucas did a great job creating a trilogy that highlighted the golden age of the Jedi. Unfortunately, some people just wanted to see more Han/Luke/Leia instead. I also liked that the prequels expanded the Star Wars universe and took creative risks, something that was severely lacking in Episode 7.
And George is simply a really nice guy. I don't get why people hate him. He's currently spending the entirety of the $4 billion acquired from Disney towards charity.
Star Wars is one of my favourite movies of all time, but Lucas is not one of my favourite directors.
Eps II was good except the anikan and padma parts.
Eps III was great. Liked everything in it except how all the jedi died. But then again if all the jedis had proper deaths, movie would have been 4 hours long. Rank it second only behind empire strikes back.
Disney did disrespect Lucas some, but not as much as people act. But Lucas really did it to himself when he started remastering all the original films. That started making star war fans dislike him. So for esp VII Disney basically threw him away.
1) Please read up on the history of Star Wars. If it weren't for Lucas' wife, we'd have gotten a corny, B-class sci-fi flick instead of the magnificent space fantasy experience that is SW. It truly is a pity that so few people even know the name Marcia Lucas...
2) Jar-Jar Binks...
3) Every film that Lucas backed away from is amazing (for example ESB, the best part of the entire Saga). Every movie he wanted to handle personally is a cinematic nightmare (prequels).
4) Jar-Jar Binks
5) Since when is ensuring profit and good reviews a bad thing? Isn't that what Lucas was aiming for with the prequels? They're so mediocre precisely because he couldn't decide who should be his target audience, so he wanted to make a movie for everyone (thus points 2 and 4). You can't make a movie for EVERYONE. It doesn't work that way.
6) Have I mentioned Jar-Jar Binks?
7) Bottom line is Abrams made Star Wars fun once again. Just like he did with Star Trek. Lucas made a mess of the whole thing, altering things and basically almost running the whole franchise right smack into the ground (with all the dumb ideas from the Clone Wars, like making Mandalorians into pacifists).
8) And then there is Jar-Jar Binks.
9) Name one cool character from the prequels. Darth Maul, right? What did Lucas do? Kill him off in the first movie and THEN bring him back to life in the dumbest possible way in the Clone Wars series, because he saw that none of the other characters came even remotely close to his popularity. But yeah, it's Abrams who's the little beach...
10) You know what I want to say here, right?
Overrated as a director? Yes of course. Even he doesn't consider himself that great of a director. However in terms of creative genius and world-building he's one of the top in his field.
Disney bought it, has a contract, and can do whatever they want within the terms of that contract. If Lucas wanted certain things a certain way he could've negotiated for them, or walked away from the table.
Glad he's out the picture. Hope him and jarjar have a great life together.
But the fact is that a vast majority of both sides hated the dinsey Star Wars. For me Star Wars end with episode 6. Every episode from now on is a shamefull attempt for cash grab. There will be no innovation. JJ will use every piece that people loved from old 6 movies and throw it into his new movies.
Lucas was trying to make the movies for the people. Disney will try to make movies for the money.
And as much as you hate the prequels, the truth is that they opened a whole new horizon to Star Wars universe. Every game that was created, had "elements" based on the prequels. The force, the jedi, the Sith, etc.
Say WHAT? How is that a "fact"? Where did you get this information? Clearly I haven't met any of this "vast majority", because pretty much everyone I know either liked or downright loved the new Star Wars. I would really love to see you back that claim with some data please. And if this movie is so bad, how come it's one of the top grossing movies of all times?
Again, WHAT? Lucas' "making movies for movies' sake" ended a long time ago. The prequel trilogy was just as much of a cash grab as the new movie. You couldn't open a can of sardines without something Star Wars related jumping out at you. Clearly we remember those days very differently...
Yeah, except all those things come from the ORIGINAL trilogy. You know what came from the prequels? Midichlorians, Jar-Jar and Hayden "I-couldn't-act-my-way-out-of-a-wet-paper-bag" Christensen.
You're right, the majority of people like/love the new Star Wars movie. However there is quite a large group of people who are disappointed, mainly due to the fact that it's a rehash of Episode 4 with elements from 5 and 6 as well as the blatant disregard for how the force works.
Keep in mind, there are plenty of interviews/reviews of people raving about Episode 1 back when it came out. It wasn't until the majority of people started using the internet when it was discovered that liking the prequels was shunned and indicated that you weren't a "true" fan. In actuality, there are plenty of people who like all 6 star wars movies, they just aren't the most vocal due to the backlash.
And just because a movie does well in the box office, doesn't exempt it from criticism. Look at the Transformers movies.
And episode 7 isn't .
In all honesty, yes Episode 1 had elements which were geared towards the younger demographic in order to sell merchandise. The same can be said for the original trilogy. However when Episode 3 came out, there were zero "cash-grab" elements. It was a much darker movie that had many scenes which weren't exactly appropriate for a younger audience. There was a lot of heart put into that movie and to say that it's a "cash-grab" is a disservice to everyone involving in the making of it.
Young Obi-Wan, Chancellor Palatine in his prime, Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Maul, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, General Grevious, Count Dooku, the Clone Troopers, the Jedi Order, lightsaber fights that accurately portrayed the agility and grace of the Jedi, Order 66, world building (Coruscant, Naboo, Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Mustafar, Kashyyyk), Sith mythology, the Rule of Two, Darth Plagueis the Wise, The Clone Wars animated series, the expanded universe...
Shall I go on?
People do like to jump on bandwagons.
But even if your right, the fact remains that there are many people who like the prequels. They're just not the most vocal.
And this I can understand. There will always be a certain number of people who won't like even the greatest movie/book/game/whatever. And that's absolutely normal. But saying that most people don't like it is a huge exaggeration.
That's a different story. Although, to be fair, I think I actually enjoyed Episode I the most out of the prequel trilogy. Sure, I hate Jar-Jar, spoiled-brat Anakin, the corny dialogue and Natalie Portman, a talented actress who seemed uninterested whether or not she did a good job. But Liam Neeson was there (one of the three and a half Jedi out of the entire Star Wars universe that I liked - the other being Aayla Secura and Etain Tur-Mukan, while the half is, obviously, Rey), as was Darth Maul, an absolutely amazing character, whose death was one of the biggest mistakes in movie history.
I never said that. On the contrary, see point 5 of my first post in this thread. There is nothing wrong about wanting to make money. It's just that Lucas completely lost soght of any other goal, all he wanted was money and more money.
Well, some of this stuff actually came before Lucas even thought of the prequels. Coruscant appeared in the Thrawn Trilogy, as did Kashyyyk (don't recall seeing the name before that). Expanded Universe had nothing to do with the prequels, actually they ruined huge parts of it for NO reason whatsoever (Mandalorians in the EU were absolutely cool, what Lucas did to them is a crime). The Sith mythology was also introduced in the EU and the prequels left all that out completely. Jango Fett is a character who makes no sense at all - he hates the Jedi with a passion, yet agrees to give up his life in order to build an army for them; explain the logic of that to me, please.
Need I go on?
There a big difference between wanting to make money (which all movies have to do) and a cash-grab. Disney is more guilty here then Lucas.
The good from the prequels far outweighs the frivolous quibbles, something that can be said for every star wars movie.
Then I guess we'll just have agree to disagree For me TFA is more about making the story enjoyable and popular again, rather than just draining peoples' pockets.
Nope. I'm pointing out that what you consider the strong points of the prequels actually have very little to do with the prequels as such and are, in fact, ideas of other people, later used by Lucas in his movies. His own ideas, like the midichlorians, are... well... I think I made my opinion of that pretty obvious
Anyway, we're drifting away from the topic at hand. In my opinion there is very little that Disney could do that would be any worse than what Lucas did to Star Wars between the launch of Episode I and the day he sold the rights to Disney.
So if you believe top grossing movies are the best, shall i suppose you like : Spider Man 3, Twilight Saga, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen etc? And don't get me started about the overhyped movies...
You DO know it's not polite to respond to a question with another question? You said it's a "fact" that a "vast majority" of SW fans hated TFA. I'm still waiting for you to back that claim up with something more than "it's my opinion".
You say the plot is unoriginal. As opposed to what, exactly? The original Star Wars, which were a rip-off of a number of different stories glued together? Accusing anything Star Wars related of being unoriginal makes about as much sense as accusing it of being scientifically inaccurate. The only reply to both can be "no kidding, Sherlock".
But ok, I'll bite. What my friends and I liked about the movie:
- a perfect balance between action and humor, something that the prequels missed completely
- chemistry between the old and the new characters (again, the prequels lacked any sort of chemistry, probably because the guy playing the character who was supposed to be responsible for this chemistry had the acting skills of a jellyfish on a frying pan.
- going back to "old-fashioned" special effects, as opposed to using blue-screen for everything, which made everything look fake
- characters who, like the ones from the OT, are more than paper-thin
- Bet you were thinking I would bring up Rey, right?
That's just a short list off the top of my head.
Nope. But then none of those movies came even close to making as much money AND staying on top for such a long time. Compare the results of Crystal Skull and TFA after,say, 4 weeks. See how the former plummetted while the latter is still up there? THAT's the difference.
So, still waiting for the answer to my questions.