Dooku counter vs Kylo counter?

MacThizz
89 posts Member
edited February 2016
Everybody is in such a tizzy over Dooku and his Never Fail counter, but I believe that our favorite Knight of Ren is much more intimidating. I won't even use AOE attacks if I see that checkmark go on. While with dooku I have no issue with shanking that fool. Lil old man trying to hit with a walking stick. Now if you are using those pansy **** jedi squads, well then I hear your issue. But for one who wields the dark side of the force and thoroughly enjoys it, I can say kylo is definitely the one to avoid, unless you like bleeding from your **** while not being able to be healed by your ewok elder. Lol. Just sayin.

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  • Both are pretty annoying. Usually I wait to hit Kylo until I can stun him with Luke or ability block him with Lumi/ Poggle when his counter is down.

    My only AOE is Sid, so I don't have too many issues with the counters.

    When do most people focus Kylo? I usually save him for 2nd to last
  • Abyss
    1651 posts Member
    l3end3r wrote: »
    Both are pretty annoying. Usually I wait to hit Kylo until I can stun him with Luke or ability block him with Lumi/ Poggle when his counter is down.

    My only AOE is Sid, so I don't have too many issues with the counters.

    When do most people focus Kylo? I usually save him for 2nd to last

    Same
  • I agree on Kylo being much more annoying. Because not only does his basic give dot and ability block but when u hit him he can potentially reset his cooldown. On the other hand his counter is "only" a buff whereas dooku is his unique.
  • Doga
    808 posts Member
    edited February 2016
    i don't mind Dooku and Kylo in arena so much as I do in GW. I try to get to them early in either GW or Arena and in Arena I am starting to care less about Sid as well. The toon i ignore the most is Barris, or as I like to call her, nerfette the punching bag I use to reset my cool downs
  • Abyss
    1651 posts Member
    Kylo is only really dangerous when your attacking him without killing him tbh, mine crits over 10k consistently when below 50% health. Hes a 1-shot machine if u continue attacking him without killing him. He must be ability blocked if your not gonna burn him fast enough. As for dooku, hes fun/effective on offence but on defence hes the laughing stock of this game. Newer pmayers low-mid game struggle and think hes OP because of many reasons but the bottom line is low-mid game is where hes a monster. Sadly he did not/does not scale well.
  • Kylo takes longer to kill therefore more dangerous.
  • Poney
    42 posts Member
    edited February 2016
    Abyss wrote: »
    Kylo is only really dangerous when your attacking him without killing him tbh, mine crits over 10k consistently when below 50% health. Hes a 1-shot machine if u continue attacking him without killing him. He must be ability blocked if your not gonna burn him fast enough. As for dooku, hes fun/effective on offence but on defence hes the laughing stock of this game. Newer pmayers low-mid game struggle and think hes OP because of many reasons but the bottom line is low-mid game is where hes a monster. Sadly he did not/does not scale well.

    I disagree about doku scaling.

    - Highest speed in the game
    - Can stun QGJ, oh wait everyone is farming the FTP QGJ
    - Decent vs aoe teams
    - Jedi event incoming...

  • Ventress can remove Ren's retribution, as can probably other chars that clean buffs. Dooku is more intimidating. I run with Asajj, so I just don't hit Ren until her turn, and usually she disables retribution quiet reliably ( my AV is 6*, VIII gear).
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  • Poney wrote: »

    I disagree about doku scaling.

    - Highest speed in the game
    - Can stun QGJ, oh wait everyone is farming the FTP QGJ
    - Decent vs aoe teams
    - Jedi event incoming...

    His damage isnt that great at higher levels compared with other toons, and he has the health of a glass canon.
  • Dooku is a decent hard-counter to the inevitable Luminara on almost every team out there, so I keep him around.

    Kylo can be a PITA with the heal immunity proc for sure, so the key is to burn him when/if his Retribution buff falls off (which it does often if you don't attack him or cause damage to him for a CD reset).
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  • Short of stun or ability block, there isn't really a great solution to stopping Kylo without losing some teeth. His healing immunity and retribution aside, a failed attempt to spike him only makes him stronger. I can't tell you how many games a QGJ, Rey, or 86 has shot my Kylo in the face only to have him basically one shot them the next turn as a result. Ignoring him is really the best option, and that doesn't usually go over too well either.

    Dooku will always go down quickly no matter what. I love Dooku, but he is just too fragile for what he does.
  • Daprosy wrote: »
    His damage isnt that great at higher levels compared with other toons, and he has the health of a glass canon.


    Cyclonus wrote: »
    Dooku will always go down quickly no matter what. I love Dooku, but he is just too fragile for what he does.


    Considering Jedi event, QGJ in cantina shipement and Poe tenacity nerf, I would advice everyone to star him up.

    Why everyone say he is fragile, how many starts are your dokus ? Max gear/lvl/stars he as almost 11k hp. This is more than QGJ or sidious...


  • Kylo is only an issue with offense up and he's a pain if you have dooku bc he uses his aoe and dooku counters, this means he always gets his aoe back basically and keeps spamming it
  • Kylo eats me for lunch. I run dooku and fives and their counters give him resetable aoe and he just aoes me down. I switched my lumi for daka and have risen quite a bit in rank but kylo....unless I get a stun I get wrecked by him..... What do I do?
  • Kylo eats me for lunch. I run dooku and fives and their counters give him resetable aoe and he just aoes me down. I switched my lumi for daka and have risen quite a bit in rank but kylo....unless I get a stun I get wrecked by him..... What do I do?

    Get someone like AV who can debuff him.
  • dooku just doesn't have enough health, kill him pretty easily.
  • Kylo eats me for lunch. I run dooku and fives and their counters give him resetable aoe and he just aoes me down. I switched my lumi for daka and have risen quite a bit in rank but kylo....unless I get a stun I get wrecked by him..... What do I do?

    As everyone else said, Kylo's primary weakness is ability block.

    Hit him with Lumi's kamehameha and he won't be able to use his counter inducing AoE nor his below 50% health activated bash. Then make sure to rapid fire him down.

    He is, of course, a primary target on field and must be hosed down early.

  • RayRevan
    95 posts Member
    edited February 2016
    Lianara wrote: »
    Ventress can remove Ren's retribution, as can probably other chars that clean buffs. Dooku is more intimidating. I run with Asajj, so I just don't hit Ren until her turn, and usually she disables retribution quiet reliably ( my AV is 6*, VIII gear).

    Even if u dispel his counter he still is going to counter that round (at least that's what happens when I use qgj dispel) and u could potentially reset his skills, leading him to do his aoe again.
    Poney wrote: »
    Considering Jedi event, QGJ in cantina shipement and Poe tenacity nerf, I would advice everyone to star him up.

    Why everyone say he is fragile, how many starts are your dokus ? Max gear/lvl/stars he as almost 11k hp. This is more than QGJ or sidious...


    Starring dooku up to 7* is harder than starring qgj or Sid. Because qgj u could focus on getting his "cantina points" since the beginning and Sid is even easier. Qgj node only unlocks at lvl 69.

  • Thanks for the advice. Yeah I have asajj working on getting her to gear 8 before I use her. Is she good against poe as well or does he just resist all dispel attempts?
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