so Ahsoka Tano Fulcrum breaks one key time tested control against DPS

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M_L
469 posts Member
I don't have a problem with her big DPS move in concept, but her unique that procs at the end of EVERY turn, ally or enemy, seems like too much

We have had to deal with large DPS toons/combos before and at least stunning is a realistic chance. the trick is how to get in position to get a stun or shock or daze in place. But ATF's unique that seems to proc even on enemy's turns seem totally insane. Even something like result of B2's instant turn will end up cleansing ATF on the other team.

this is crazy. the whole opposing team will need to be able to stun just to control ATF from getting to her big move..... actually that wouldn't even work as her ally toon's turns coming up will also cleanse her.... WHY?

up 'til this point, i can't think of any other toon where unique effects procs around both ally and enemy's turns... and an all purpose cleanse no less. Even a dedicated healer like Barriss can only proc at the end of her own turn. this level of sudden leap in what a unique can do is astounding....


side note, why does she get more crit immunity too? jesus, she's already tankier than her younger version and her younger version of crit immunity can be dispelled. all this does is make quite a few older toons pointless. (Aayla are less likely to crit and thus stun... savage to proc a good ole Offense down, Greedo to proc simply another hit, etc, yeah 'cause those toons are really in need of a nerf...).

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  • Zooey
    1607 posts Member
    Power creep is part of the game and has been since the start, whining about that is a waste of breath imo.

    With that said, she can still be controlled through Nihilus special and TM reducing attacks.
  • Woodroward
    3749 posts Member
    Sure she cleanses every turn, but she also takes damage for doing so, I'd say that double edge to that sword balances it out just fine.
  • theHejiN
    659 posts Member
    The key is to not only damage her with an attack, but also with debuffs, so she will damage herself.

    On her, the debuffs are just red squares, that damage her immediately (as long as it is not a dot).

  • DatBoi
    3615 posts Member
    Wouldn't zader wreck her? She would consume all those debuffs, take away her own health, but they come back
  • M_L
    469 posts Member
    i think that's why they made her immune to DOTs entirely, so that zVader would not wreck her in his infinite recurring DOTs ways. That makes sense, can't have someone self harm based on debuffs and then have recurring debuffs
  • Peempo
    403 posts Member
    She's a rebel which means she already has in game counters...and is probably gonna be remotely squishy, just sayin
  • Moicaliss
    992 posts Member
    theHejiN wrote: »
    The key is to not only damage her with an attack, but also with debuffs, so she will damage herself.

    On her, the debuffs are just red squares, that damage her immediately (as long as it is not a dot).

    But this can't kill her and she recover health whit buff on her....

  • She losing 10 percent for each debuff while healing 5% for each buff is in no way or form a balanced trade of for having virtual debuff immunity.
  • Moicaliss
    992 posts Member
    And not consuming buff whit her health recovery if i remember
  • HEISENBURG7315
    56 posts Member
    edited May 2017
    Nvm
  • Chirruts passive will heal 4% of a toons max health if they have heal over time anytime someone on either team takes a turn, so this isn't the first time a toon has an ability like that
  • Vertigo
    4497 posts Member
    Chirruts passive will heal 4% of a toons max health if they have heal over time anytime someone on either team takes a turn, so this isn't the first time a toon has an ability like that

    Yep, so pair her with Chirrut and she'll basically never die. The only time I saw her die in the video was during the raid in Phase 1 where GG takes a ton of turns in a row, and in Phase 2 where the tank hits enrage....
  • Another op rebel :) pair her with chaze...
  • DatBoi wrote: »
    Wouldn't zader wreck her? She would consume all those debuffs, take away her own health, but they come back

    1. She is immune to DOT
    2. She consumes buffs, not debuffs
  • Taco
    446 posts Member
    B2
  • Taco wrote: »
    B2

    She gains 15 tm for each buff, as soon as she will load the buffs she will one shoot somebody. B2 or Boba are useless, even if they appear in the video as mortal enemies. The only thing B2 can do is putting buff imunity on other toons until the first cleanse.
  • Striker
    198 posts Member
    make her get a lot of buffs (for example from chirrut) and then use Baze Malbus skill - Fierce reprisal on her. It will be 10k crit + a lot of debuffs in a single hit. And dont forget about Nihilus cd management. Focus her with triple attack from Wiggs (also they do similar damage as Ahsoka with 2 turns cd). Or else.
  • lRushl
    182 posts Member
    Zooey wrote: »
    Power creep is part of the game and has been since the start, whining about that is a waste of breath imo.

    With that said, she can still be controlled through Nihilus special and TM reducing attacks.

    No it wasn't, Poe was op, obi lead was op, wiggs were pretty op.

    The power creep started when the Chaze Combo appeared.

    Then multiples characters and combos have been increasing this power creep state and Ashoka is another completely broken character.

    It's pretty much the easy way for EA/CG to make money without balancing the game because they are too lazy.

    Their plan is too show how OP she's with multiples YouTubers preview so every whale spend the 400$.

    Health of the game will get worst over time if they keep feeding into the power creep.

  • Allenb60
    2171 posts Member
    When I read it I thought it would be at the end of her turn and it was a really cool unique, but since it is every turn it seems broken, not every character is going to be able to dispel the positive effects on her so at best you're dealing some damage to her protection with debuffs...
  • JoseIrimia
    446 posts Member
    edited May 2017
    lRushl wrote: »
    It's pretty much the easy way for EA/CG to make money without balancing the game because they are too lazy.

    Their plan is too show how OP she's with multiples YouTubers preview so every whale spend the 400$.

    Health of the game will get worst over time if they keep feeding into the power creep.

    True to that.
  • scuba
    14042 posts Member
    Vertigo wrote: »
    Chirruts passive will heal 4% of a toons max health if they have heal over time anytime someone on either team takes a turn, so this isn't the first time a toon has an ability like that

    Yep, so pair her with Chirrut and she'll basically never die. The only time I saw her die in the video was during the raid in Phase 1 where GG takes a ton of turns in a row, and in Phase 2 where the tank hits enrage....

    But the key is getting a hot on her. Without a hot she won't get the 4% heal every time. Since she cleanses all her debuffs she will never have a debuff on her when chirrut converts debuffs to hots.
    So that leaves rng of Chirrut basic, her taking a crit hit or when she steals buffs. But she will then consume them with her crazy attack.
  • Osisiv
    172 posts Member
    lRushl wrote: »
    Zooey wrote: »
    Power creep is part of the game and has been since the start, whining about that is a waste of breath imo.

    With that said, she can still be controlled through Nihilus special and TM reducing attacks.

    No it wasn't, Poe was op, obi lead was op, wiggs were pretty op.

    The power creep started when the Chaze Combo appeared.

    Then multiples characters and combos have been increasing this power creep state and Ashoka is another completely broken character.

    It's pretty much the easy way for EA/CG to make money without balancing the game because they are too lazy.

    Their plan is too show how OP she's with multiples YouTubers preview so every whale spend the 400$.

    Health of the game will get worst over time if they keep feeding into the power creep.

    Whales in general aren't spending anymore. Whales used to 7* new characters by buying packs. How many 7* Phoenix characters or Gar, Imperial Troopers do you see in the game?

    There's no reason to spend with zero advantages given to spenders in the current state of the game.
  • Jedi_Reach_
    1337 posts Member
    Osisiv wrote: »
    lRushl wrote: »
    Zooey wrote: »
    Power creep is part of the game and has been since the start, whining about that is a waste of breath imo.

    With that said, she can still be controlled through Nihilus special and TM reducing attacks.

    No it wasn't, Poe was op, obi lead was op, wiggs were pretty op.

    The power creep started when the Chaze Combo appeared.

    Then multiples characters and combos have been increasing this power creep state and Ashoka is another completely broken character.

    It's pretty much the easy way for EA/CG to make money without balancing the game because they are too lazy.

    Their plan is too show how OP she's with multiples YouTubers preview so every whale spend the 400$.

    Health of the game will get worst over time if they keep feeding into the power creep.
    There's no reason to spend with zero advantages given to CERTAIN spenders in the current state of the game.
    FTFY
  • Juex777
    968 posts Member
    There are still some whales in the game. Pheonix and imperial troopers aren't terribly op.
  • Juex777
    968 posts Member
    Whales already had the troopers.... Pheonix was a disappointment in general
  • I have most of my troopers except DT and Veers at 7* but they are getting close :)
  • Woodroward wrote: »
    Sure she cleanses every turn, but she also takes damage for doing so, I'd say that double edge to that sword balances it out just fine.

    Won't the 75 HoTs she gets from Chirrut completely negate and debuff damage?
  • lRushl
    182 posts Member
    Osisiv wrote: »
    lRushl wrote: »
    Zooey wrote: »
    Power creep is part of the game and has been since the start, whining about that is a waste of breath imo.

    With that said, she can still be controlled through Nihilus special and TM reducing attacks.

    No it wasn't, Poe was op, obi lead was op, wiggs were pretty op.

    The power creep started when the Chaze Combo appeared.

    Then multiples characters and combos have been increasing this power creep state and Ashoka is another completely broken character.

    It's pretty much the easy way for EA/CG to make money without balancing the game because they are too lazy.

    Their plan is too show how OP she's with multiples YouTubers preview so every whale spend the 400$.

    Health of the game will get worst over time if they keep feeding into the power creep.

    Whales in general aren't spending anymore. Whales used to 7* new characters by buying packs. How many 7* Phoenix characters or Gar, Imperial Troopers do you see in the game?

    There's no reason to spend with zero advantages given to spenders in the current state of the game.

    No one cares about some underwhelming random characters.
  • Yeah but Ahsoka buffs the meta the most Whales are already using. They are already at the top of shards using GK and Chaze. Why would they spend for her, just so the whales in each shard duel between themselves? The whales that don't use Chaze won't buy her because she doesn't fit in their squads, unless they will want to overhaul their entire team.
    And even if the whales buy her, she is still just one toon, and her OPness will guarantee that nobody will buy any new non rebel toon they will release in the game until a counter will appear, which can take for a very long time if the Chaze situation will repeat itself.
  • Woodroward
    3749 posts Member
    Woodroward wrote: »
    Sure she cleanses every turn, but she also takes damage for doing so, I'd say that double edge to that sword balances it out just fine.

    Won't the 75 HoTs she gets from Chirrut completely negate and debuff damage?

    If/when that happens sure, but they aren't a paired combo.

    Her ability more or less turns every debuff into a DoT that ticks on her immediately. I fail to see how this is OP in any sense. It seems balanced to me. The effect could just as easily kill her as help her. The healing she gets isn't guaranteed as buffs aren't guaranteed. She also takes 2X the damage from debuffs that she heals from buffs.

    This ability is balanced. Other abilities may make it imbalanced, but that's the whole point of combining abilities to begin with.
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