If You Think Nerf Chaze is going away...

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...then you have a date with reality soon coming. With ATF (FA if you wish) coming around the corner, plus the fact that this duo is now so broken, it doesn't even require half the gear, mods, zetas or levels (Click here to see the thread) then you are living in a delusion.

I've personally watched as the fire was fanned against Chaze, growing from trolling, biased nonsensical tools (who still little few in number, but they grow less and less everyday) to reasonable, objective discussion on the absurdity on the composition of Baze and Chirrut.

The more you stall it, the more these threads will pop up. The more you deny it, the more people will eventually realize it. The more you slander those who speak the truth, the more others will take note of what they're saying and discover the truth themselves.

Ahsoka, as much as I love her, was a mistake. She'll just add more fuel to the fire -- as would any OP toon because Chaze has a spot waiting for the best at any given time, regardless of faction, regardless of synergy.

It is inevitable you confront the elephant in the room, because this composition is at the core of collapsing this game into a <5 hero Arena game and more and more people are waking up to realize just how dangerous this truly is for the game's health.

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  • Reyalp
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    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.
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    Reyalp wrote: »
    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.
    The better question is if you choose to use ATF, what ideal team composition would you put her in? 9/10 times it's probably going to contain a Chaze.
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    Reyalp wrote: »
    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.

    Remove DN 100% - his CD reduction won't matter vs. her ability to just kill stuff in rounds 1/2 and give 40% protection to herself and allies. DN is a slow wind-up play - she's fast and is going to hit like a truck and add stats to the entire team through R2. Cooldowns won't matter because your defenses will be eviscerated. That team is getting faster, gaining more damage early on, tankier via R2 and her protection up on basic, and she's immune essentially to any negative effects ... so they get even more CLEANSEIER....that's not a word, but they will be so clean it has to be created! :)
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    Reyalp wrote: »
    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.

    Remove DN 100% - his CD reduction won't matter vs. her ability to just kill stuff in rounds 1/2 and give 40% protection to herself and allies. DN is a slow wind-up play - she's fast and is going to hit like a truck and add stats to the entire team through R2. Cooldowns won't matter because your defenses will be eviscerated. That team is getting faster, gaining more damage early on, tankier via R2 and her protection up on basic, and she's immune essentially to any negative effects ... so they get even more CLEANSEIER....that's not a word, but they will be so clean it has to be created! :)

    IMO Rex (L) ATF Chaze GK will be the new squad. It will be triple cleanse vs this vs Wiggs+double cleanse.
  • Olddumper
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    Truth be told though all they need to do to bring the whole empire back is give EP a zeta that gives the empire some sort of speed boost or TM to start the match. Maybe like empire and sith allies gain speed up at the begging of the match and whenever a debuff is cleansed.

    Even just the 1st half of that zeta would make his squads unbeatable. If you could lead DT tarkin and DN followed by EP and Krennic it would be nerf post city.
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    Reyalp wrote: »
    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.

    Remove DN 100% - his CD reduction won't matter vs. her ability to just kill stuff in rounds 1/2 and give 40% protection to herself and allies. DN is a slow wind-up play - she's fast and is going to hit like a truck and add stats to the entire team through R2. Cooldowns won't matter because your defenses will be eviscerated. That team is getting faster, gaining more damage early on, tankier via R2 and her protection up on basic, and she's immune essentially to any negative effects ... so they get even more CLEANSEIER....that's not a word, but they will be so clean it has to be created! :)

    IMO Rex (L) ATF Chaze GK will be the new squad. It will be triple cleanse vs this vs Wiggs+double cleanse.

    Agreed... Then again, we will also see a lot of:
    GK Chaze FAT R2
    as well as
    Wedge FAT Chaze R2
  • Bhaalor
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    ...then you have a date with reality soon coming. With ATF (FA if you wish) coming around the corner, plus the fact that this duo is now so broken, it doesn't even require half the gear, mods, zetas or levels (Click here to see the thread) then you are living in a delusion.

    I've personally watched as the fire was fanned against Chaze, growing from trolling, biased nonsensical tools (who still little few in number, but they grow less and less everyday) to reasonable, objective discussion on the absurdity on the composition of Baze and Chirrut.

    The more you stall it, the more these threads will pop up. The more you deny it, the more people will eventually realize it. The more you slander those who speak the truth, the more others will take note of what they're saying and discover the truth themselves.

    Ahsoka, as much as I love her, was a mistake. She'll just add more fuel to the fire -- as would any OP toon because Chaze has a spot waiting for the best at any given time, regardless of faction, regardless of synergy.

    It is inevitable you confront the elephant in the room, because this composition is at the core of collapsing this game into a <5 hero Arena game and more and more people are waking up to realize just how dangerous this truly is for the game's health.

    Its also proven that no matter what you feel, no matter how many nerf threads you create. It. wont. happen. Same thing was done for Rey, Wiggs, and many others. So you can continue to be ignored or just accept it.
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    Reyalp wrote: »
    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.

    Remove DN 100% - his CD reduction won't matter vs. her ability to just kill stuff in rounds 1/2 and give 40% protection to herself and allies. DN is a slow wind-up play - she's fast and is going to hit like a truck and add stats to the entire team through R2. Cooldowns won't matter because your defenses will be eviscerated. That team is getting faster, gaining more damage early on, tankier via R2 and her protection up on basic, and she's immune essentially to any negative effects ... so they get even more CLEANSEIER....that's not a word, but they will be so clean it has to be created! :)

    IMO Rex (L) ATF Chaze GK will be the new squad. It will be triple cleanse vs this vs Wiggs+double cleanse.

    Probably so - with Wedge being a possible lead also.
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    Reyalp wrote: »
    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.

    Remove DN 100% - his CD reduction won't matter vs. her ability to just kill stuff in rounds 1/2 and give 40% protection to herself and allies. DN is a slow wind-up play - she's fast and is going to hit like a truck and add stats to the entire team through R2. Cooldowns won't matter because your defenses will be eviscerated. That team is getting faster, gaining more damage early on, tankier via R2 and her protection up on basic, and she's immune essentially to any negative effects ... so they get even more CLEANSEIER....that's not a word, but they will be so clean it has to be created! :)

    IMO Rex (L) ATF Chaze GK will be the new squad. It will be triple cleanse vs this vs Wiggs+double cleanse.

    Agreed... Then again, we will also see a lot of:
    GK Chaze FAT R2
    as well as
    Wedge FAT Chaze R2

    *tries to ignore FAT*

    Anyways, yeah. Anyone thinks zJyn will fit in somewhere?
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    Olddumper wrote: »
    Truth be told though all they need to do to bring the whole empire back is give EP a zeta that gives the empire some sort of speed boost or TM to start the match. Maybe like empire and sith allies gain speed up at the begging of the match and whenever a debuff is cleansed.

    Even just the 1st half of that zeta would make his squads unbeatable. If you could lead DT tarkin and DN followed by EP and Krennic it would be nerf post city.

    Unfortunately since he's DS they would have to balance him more and he'd get his protection and health cut in half :)

    Why R2 has 46k health + protection and 157 speed vs. EP's 29k h/p and 122 speed I'll never understand. R2 even has really good debuff ability. That's 59% more h/p! Huge! Doesn't even count his unique that stacks stats. 29% faster as well.
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    Olddumper wrote: »
    Truth be told though all they need to do to bring the whole empire back is give EP a zeta that gives the empire some sort of speed boost or TM to start the match. Maybe like empire and sith allies gain speed up at the begging of the match and whenever a debuff is cleansed.

    Even just the 1st half of that zeta would make his squads unbeatable. If you could lead DT tarkin and DN followed by EP and Krennic it would be nerf post city.

    Unfortunately since he's DS they would have to balance him more and he'd get his protection and health cut in half :)

    Why R2 has 46k health + protection and 157 speed vs. EP's 29k h/p and 122 speed I'll never understand. R2 even has really good debuff ability. That's 59% more h/p! Huge! Doesn't even count his unique that stacks stats. 29% faster as well.

    power creep. They're one year apart. Oh, and Yoda is worse than EP too.
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    The best team to put FAT into will be a wedge lead with chaze and R2. She'll definitely hit hard, but on average I just don't see her whirlwind being the annihilate-type move that everybody's expecting, so I think she'll really need that 30% offense boost to get over the top
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    Olddumper wrote: »
    Truth be told though all they need to do to bring the whole empire back is give EP a zeta that gives the empire some sort of speed boost or TM to start the match. Maybe like empire and sith allies gain speed up at the begging of the match and whenever a debuff is cleansed.

    Even just the 1st half of that zeta would make his squads unbeatable. If you could lead DT tarkin and DN followed by EP and Krennic it would be nerf post city.

    Unfortunately since he's DS they would have to balance him more and he'd get his protection and health cut in half :)

    Why R2 has 46k health + protection and 157 speed vs. EP's 29k h/p and 122 speed I'll never understand. R2 even has really good debuff ability. That's 59% more h/p! Huge! Doesn't even count his unique that stacks stats. 29% faster as well.

    power creep. They're one year apart. Oh, and Yoda is worse than EP too.

    The power creep theory only makes sense for pay toons though. Why did CG need to powercreep something they handed out to everyone for free with a VERY easy R2 event? They got minimal $ payoff from the R2 event - he's just highly tuned.
  • BulYwif
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    EP's lead provides him 30% HP. When Palpatine was designed, it was already enough and new toons didn't have so much health except the tanks. Tendancy is now to be able to use toons at 4*, so they increase base health to be playable at that level.
    Moreover, ShT is there to protect Palpatine so he does not need a lot of HP (in theory).
  • hilikus
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    I say it again: There is basically now way to kill a zaul Team without Chaze. So as long as this abomination is not contained (nerfed), I don't see a (also necessary) Chaze Nerf coming.
    And don't give me that "he is not on the leaderboards" because a) he is, and b) if he is used less, it doesn't mean he is not OP.
  • Olddumper
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    When it comes to empire and even most sith the real elephant in the room is speed. Maul 100 speed, DN 124, EP slow, Vader slow, DT slow, ShT slow, RG slow, Krennic slow. The Tarkin rework made him faster than anybody on that list at a whopping 124 speed. All the troopers are slow, it's one big turtle fest.
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    Reyalp wrote: »
    Who do you take out for her from the current Chaze teams?

    Adding her weakens them:
    Remove GK - defensively frail, easier to get to Ahsoka/Wedge/Rex
    Remove Dn - no cooldown reduction or annihilate
    Remove R2 - no stealth, no cleanse, no burning, no number crunch.

    Remove DN 100% - his CD reduction won't matter vs. her ability to just kill stuff in rounds 1/2 and give 40% protection to herself and allies. DN is a slow wind-up play - she's fast and is going to hit like a truck and add stats to the entire team through R2. Cooldowns won't matter because your defenses will be eviscerated. That team is getting faster, gaining more damage early on, tankier via R2 and her protection up on basic, and she's immune essentially to any negative effects ... so they get even more CLEANSEIER....that's not a word, but they will be so clean it has to be created! :)

    IMO Rex (L) ATF Chaze GK will be the new squad. It will be triple cleanse vs this vs Wiggs+double cleanse.

    Agreed... Then again, we will also see a lot of:
    GK Chaze FAT R2
    as well as
    Wedge FAT Chaze R2

    *tries to ignore FAT*

    Anyways, yeah. Anyone thinks zJyn will fit in somewhere?

    Cassian... Dont tell anyone
  • Reyalp
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    hilikus wrote: »
    I say it again: There is basically now way to kill a zaul Team without Chaze. So as long as this abomination is not contained (nerfed), I don't see a (also necessary) Chaze Nerf coming.
    And don't give me that "he is not on the leaderboards" because a) he is, and b) if he is used less, it doesn't mean he is not OP.

    Do you mean *no way to beat zMaul without chaze*? If so, you're talking bantha poo. Jedi with R2 wipe the floor with zMaul teams
  • Waez
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    Olddumper wrote: »
    Truth be told though all they need to do to bring the whole empire back is give EP a zeta that gives the empire some sort of speed boost or TM to start the match. Maybe like empire and sith allies gain speed up at the begging of the match and whenever a debuff is cleansed.

    Even just the 1st half of that zeta would make his squads unbeatable. If you could lead DT tarkin and DN followed by EP and Krennic it would be nerf post city.

    Unfortunately since he's DS they would have to balance him more and he'd get his protection and health cut in half :)

    Why R2 has 46k health + protection and 157 speed vs. EP's 29k h/p and 122 speed I'll never understand. R2 even has really good debuff ability. That's 59% more h/p! Huge! Doesn't even count his unique that stacks stats. 29% faster as well.

    power creep. They're one year apart. Oh, and Yoda is worse than EP too.

    The power creep theory only makes sense for pay toons though. Why did CG need to powercreep something they handed out to everyone for free with a VERY easy R2 event? They got minimal $ payoff from the R2 event - he's just highly tuned.

    They didn't directly make money with R2, but they did with the Empire packs, with people leveling/gearing/modding their Empire characters, and then with people leveling/gearing/modding R2.

    It also shook the meta, and forced people who used Zaul to switch to another team, once again having to level/gear/mod them. It's also a way to ensure that F2P can't compete as well as before, since Zaul was easily accessible to F2P. Now, you need Chaze and DN to make a triple cleanse team, which requires a lot of crystals. And again, more sales and more profit for EA.

    Additionally, the R2 event was heavily featured on social media, as well as on the Google Play Store and the App Store. All these ads probably brought many players back or new players in.

    The R2 event was a way for them to gain cash through power creep - just not on character packs.
  • Reyalp
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    Waez wrote: »
    Olddumper wrote: »
    Truth be told though all they need to do to bring the whole empire back is give EP a zeta that gives the empire some sort of speed boost or TM to start the match. Maybe like empire and sith allies gain speed up at the begging of the match and whenever a debuff is cleansed.

    Even just the 1st half of that zeta would make his squads unbeatable. If you could lead DT tarkin and DN followed by EP and Krennic it would be nerf post city.

    Unfortunately since he's DS they would have to balance him more and he'd get his protection and health cut in half :)

    Why R2 has 46k health + protection and 157 speed vs. EP's 29k h/p and 122 speed I'll never understand. R2 even has really good debuff ability. That's 59% more h/p! Huge! Doesn't even count his unique that stacks stats. 29% faster as well.

    power creep. They're one year apart. Oh, and Yoda is worse than EP too.

    The power creep theory only makes sense for pay toons though. Why did CG need to powercreep something they handed out to everyone for free with a VERY easy R2 event? They got minimal $ payoff from the R2 event - he's just highly tuned.

    They didn't directly make money with R2, but they did with the Empire packs, with people leveling/gearing/modding their Empire characters, and then with people leveling/gearing/modding R2.

    It also shook the meta, and forced people who used Zaul to switch to another team, once again having to level/gear/mod them. It's also a way to ensure that F2P can't compete as well as before, since Zaul was easily accessible to F2P. Now, you need Chaze and DN to make a triple cleanse team, which requires a lot of crystals. And again, more sales and more profit for EA.

    Additionally, the R2 event was heavily featured on social media, as well as on the Google Play Store and the App Store. All these ads probably brought many players back or new players in.

    The R2 event was a way for them to gain cash through power creep - just not on character packs.

    Chaze, DN and Rex are all f2p. No crystals required.

    And I disagree about R2, he increases the viability of a lot of teams - rogue one, resistance, Jedi, droids, rebels (without chaze). He wasn't a cash grab
  • leef
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    it doesn't really matter if people whine about chaze or about the next OP toon/due, the whining will continue.
    Save water, drink champagne!
  • Sewpot
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    leef wrote: »
    it doesn't really matter if people whine about chaze or about the next OP toon/due, the whining will continue.
    +1
    Oh my finger hurts from opening bronziums.
    Oh I got beat from blah blah blah, nerf them.
    Oh I don't have blah blah blah, nerf them.
    The only complaint I'll back is after investing into a toon and the devs nerf then. Don't release something that's not been tested to the ground. Please.

  • xReDeMpx
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    When you have an threads like this that have popped up from the start of the release of chaze and now fast forward months later and there's still this much discussion you should know something is off
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    Funny how you call people nonsensical tools that don't agree with you about Chaze being OP.

    Have you ever stopped to think the people that don't agree with you perhaps knows more about this game than you do? Have you ever stopped to think that the people that don't agree with you easily beat Chaze and don't have any problems with them?

    Wanna talk about the games health? Let's talk about something that would really shake up this games health. Imagine Chaze being nerfed. Now imagine all the people who spent money on Chaze contacting customer service and demanding compensation on 2 toons that are 6 months old. Do you know how much money would be returned to the customer?

    The backlash of nerfing two 6 month old toons will be waaaaaayyyy more problematic for this games health than these petty nerf threads started by all you whiney little nooblets.

    You're looking at the whole situation from only your point of view instead of looking at it from what's best for the games health as a whole.

    All of your nerf Chaze posts are nothing but a narrow minded view of your own opinions. You can say something isn't good for the games health all you want...that doesn't mean it truth! The devs know what they are doing, that's why they are the bosses and you are not. Stick to playing the game and quit trying to be the Nerf Chaze Fanclubs President cause that's how your posts are making you look. You the guild master of your guild huh? Glad I'm not in yours..I'd be embarrassed if I was.
  • xReDeMpx
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    Funny how you call people nonsensical tools that don't agree with you about Chaze being OP.

    Have you ever stopped to think the people that don't agree with you perhaps knows more about this game than you do? Have you ever stopped to think that the people that don't agree with you easily beat Chaze and don't have any problems with them?

    Wanna talk about the games health? Let's talk about something that would really shake up this games health. Imagine Chaze being nerfed. Now imagine all the people who spent money on Chaze contacting customer service and demanding compensation on 2 toons that are 6 months old. Do you know how much money would be returned to the customer?

    The backlash of nerfing two 6 month old toons will be waaaaaayyyy more problematic for this games health than these petty nerf threads started by all you whiney little nooblets.

    You're looking at the whole situation from only your point of view instead of looking at it from what's best for the games health as a whole.

    All of your nerf Chaze posts are nothing but a narrow minded view of your own opinions. You can say something isn't good for the games health all you want...that doesn't mean it truth! The devs know what they are doing, that's why they are the bosses and you are not. Stick to playing the game and quit trying to be the Nerf Chaze Fanclubs President cause that's how your posts are making you look. You the guild master of your guild huh? Glad I'm not in yours..I'd be embarrassed if I was.

    Here's the truth this post was a joke
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    xReDeMpx wrote: »
    Funny how you call people nonsensical tools that don't agree with you about Chaze being OP.

    Have you ever stopped to think the people that don't agree with you perhaps knows more about this game than you do? Have you ever stopped to think that the people that don't agree with you easily beat Chaze and don't have any problems with them?

    Wanna talk about the games health? Let's talk about something that would really shake up this games health. Imagine Chaze being nerfed. Now imagine all the people who spent money on Chaze contacting customer service and demanding compensation on 2 toons that are 6 months old. Do you know how much money would be returned to the customer?

    The backlash of nerfing two 6 month old toons will be waaaaaayyyy more problematic for this games health than these petty nerf threads started by all you whiney little nooblets.

    You're looking at the whole situation from only your point of view instead of looking at it from what's best for the games health as a whole.

    All of your nerf Chaze posts are nothing but a narrow minded view of your own opinions. You can say something isn't good for the games health all you want...that doesn't mean it truth! The devs know what they are doing, that's why they are the bosses and you are not. Stick to playing the game and quit trying to be the Nerf Chaze Fanclubs President cause that's how your posts are making you look. You the guild master of your guild huh? Glad I'm not in yours..I'd be embarrassed if I was.

    Here's the truth this post was a joke

    Nah...this whole thread "IS' a joke!
  • Revi
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    Agree, its not going away
  • Jedi_Reach_
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    Funny how you call people nonsensical tools that don't agree with you about Chaze being OP.

    Have you ever stopped to think the people that don't agree with you perhaps knows more about this game than you do? Have you ever stopped to think that the people that don't agree with you easily beat Chaze and don't have any problems with them?

    Wanna talk about the games health? Let's talk about something that would really shake up this games health. Imagine Chaze being nerfed. Now imagine all the people who spent money on Chaze contacting customer service and demanding compensation on 2 toons that are 6 months old. Do you know how much money would be returned to the customer?

    The backlash of nerfing two 6 month old toons will be waaaaaayyyy more problematic for this games health than these petty nerf threads started by all you whiney little nooblets.

    You're looking at the whole situation from only your point of view instead of looking at it from what's best for the games health as a whole.

    All of your nerf Chaze posts are nothing but a narrow minded view of your own opinions. You can say something isn't good for the games health all you want...that doesn't mean it truth! The devs know what they are doing, that's why they are the bosses and you are not. Stick to playing the game and quit trying to be the Nerf Chaze Fanclubs President cause that's how your posts are making you look. You the guild master of your guild huh? Glad I'm not in yours..I'd be embarrassed if I was.
    Here's the truth - no one takes you seriously.
  • zhtd17
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    Funny how you call people nonsensical tools that don't agree with you about Chaze being OP.

    Have you ever stopped to think the people that don't agree with you perhaps knows more about this game than you do? Have you ever stopped to think that the people that don't agree with you easily beat Chaze and don't have any problems with them?

    Wanna talk about the games health? Let's talk about something that would really shake up this games health. Imagine Chaze being nerfed. Now imagine all the people who spent money on Chaze contacting customer service and demanding compensation on 2 toons that are 6 months old. Do you know how much money would be returned to the customer?

    The backlash of nerfing two 6 month old toons will be waaaaaayyyy more problematic for this games health than these petty nerf threads started by all you whiney little nooblets.

    You're looking at the whole situation from only your point of view instead of looking at it from what's best for the games health as a whole.

    All of your nerf Chaze posts are nothing but a narrow minded view of your own opinions. You can say something isn't good for the games health all you want...that doesn't mean it truth! The devs know what they are doing, that's why they are the bosses and you are not. Stick to playing the game and quit trying to be the Nerf Chaze Fanclubs President cause that's how your posts are making you look. You the guild master of your guild huh? Glad I'm not in yours..I'd be embarrassed if I was.

    I agree with you that nerfing them will cause a lot of problems, but tbh it's also a mistake not to admit that they're op af, and the devs made a mistake releasing them, it's their problem and their job to find a solution.
    There are powerful toons such as DN and R2... but they're no where near chaze.
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