Tenacity up just makes you immune?
I thought tenacity up just increased chances to resist not make them perfectly immune to debuff. These arena teams got perma tenacity up the whole round, can't get a single debuff to take.....QQ
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Thats is not entirely accurate. A toon will always have a 15% chance to resist even with tenacity down.
They will have a minimum. But what I meant was Tenacity Down will completely cancel out Tenacity Up, which is exactly accurate. If you have both statuses, you are returned to your normal level of tenacity.
He said that Tenacity Down cancels Tenacity Up, which is indeed true.
This guy gets it.
Exactly. He did not say that tenacity down caused debuffs to be irresistible. That would not be accurate. But saying it cancels tenacity up is correct.
Also, tenacity up doesn't prevent debuffs that are irresistible.
No there is actually no way for you to put a debuff on a toon with Tenacity Up. In it's description it actually says "this character is immune to debuffs".
Tenacity down that will land through tenacity up. Deathmark will land through tenacity up. Fracture will land through tenacity up. Vader can apply ability block on a Jedi through tenacity up. Tarkin will apply offense down and crit down on rebels with tenacity up. There are more situations like this.
So your "no way for you to put a debuff on a toon with tenacity up" is not really accurate. It's better to say, "tenacity up will always resist any resistible applications of debuffs."
And Tenacity/Potency obviously only affect debuffs, not buffs.
Thats a fun idea. Make tenacity effect buffs/debuffs the same. That way it isn't a cure-all for teams to become immune to opponent effects and would require some actual strategy/thinking in use.
Those are irresistible abilities, of course they would land. Also I am telling you what the description says, and it's completely correct, no debuff can land, unless it is specifically said in it's description that it can not be resisted.
Apparently you completely didn't understand my comment... Tenacity up is 100% resist... what game have you been playing? To put it more simply, tenacity up should work the same way tenacity down does...
They are the same, the 15% minimum resist chance is unrelated to tenacity down because it can't be resisted but other debuffs always have that chance to be resisted even without tenacity down. There are still debuffs that don't work the same way as their positive counterpart, like evasion up and evasion down
The only difference is in the way that the game handles Potency/Tenacity checks, not the buff/debuff themselves.
You said, "no there is no way for you to put a debuff on a toon with tenacity up." This is inaccurate. Regardless if what I used is irresistible.
I know what 'tenacity up' tooltip displays, but I've seen too many posts about ten up and ten down with wrong information. So, when talking about nothing can debuff a ten up buffed hero, caveat it with some buffs can still land, such as those that can never be resisted (fracture, deathmark, ten down, etc.) and those with irresistible clauses (Tarkin and rebels, Vader and Jedi, etc.) so that people understand that their are exceptions.
Tenacity up is 100%, that's a huge difference. As I stated previously, I'm not against a new toon having an ability that guaranteed such but it shouldn't be tenacity up. Tenacity up worked well the way it is a year ago, not so much now. Now it's an issue that hurts strategy & arena in general... I'd be fine if it was +99.9000%, which i think is the mark you were shooting for, but that's simply not true. Toons resist frequently when tenacity down is applied... the reverse absolutely does not work like that... unless a debuff is irresistible tenacity up resists 100% of the time.
No, I don't have a pic or proof. But it happened.
That's because certain moves, DN unique for example, are irresistible...
This was quite a while ago. DN was not a thing. Nor was Thrawn.
DN's unique can be resisted.
It's probably that k2 is a rebel and some skills bypass immunity when with rebel tag.
You are quite right, I misspoke, it's one of a few that will apply through tenacity up... use whatever term you'd like