Buffs and Debuffs. Please fix!

Ok so this game considers any positive(green) effect as a buff and every negative (red) effect as a debuff. This is simply wrong. Buffs and debuffs are only effects that will have a direct effect on stats like speed down, defense down, offense up, health down, protection up etc... Other things are simply EFFECTS. So that being said there is a point to this. Regardless of my issue of them wrongly labelling there are abilities that really are not working correctly based on the game's current labeling of effects. Since every effect is labled as a buff they include foresight in that. So if foresight is a buff then all abilities that say remove all buffs should not be blocked by foresight. It should work as stated and remove all buffs from the character as foresight is considered a buff. Also Target lock is cleanseable I have no problem with it being cleanseable however this is not a debuff and all cleanse abilities say they cleanse debuffs. Target lock does nothing. does not affect any stats or anything. So it should not be cleansable as it is not a debuff. But it is cleansed because the game considers it a buff. harmful, negative, detrimental effect would be more appropriate for many of the so called debufs.

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  • Target lock does nothing. does not affect any stats or anything. So it should not be cleansable as it is not a debuff.

    Target lock causes your ships to be more susceptible to damage taken.
  • Lossberg
    457 posts Member
    Regarding foresight - Assaj will dispel all buffs along with foresight
  • Dretzle
    716 posts Member
    Foresight only blocks attacks, not dispells. So if the dispell move is an attack (Nihilus: Deal special damage to enemy and dispell all buffs on them.) then foresight stops the attack, thus cutting the rest of the move short (no other buffs dispelled).

    OP is applying a VERY strict definition of the term "buff" and "debuff". It should not be strictly applied to just things that affect stats. Wikipedia agrees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_effect#Buffs

    "Buff is the term generically used to describe a positive status effect" . Yes, it is often applied to things that affect stats, such as offense up increasing the characters's offense, but it can be used to refer to any positive status effect, such as a heal over time (or foresight, or retribution) as these status effects "buff" the character and make them better while applied.

    The same applies to "debuff", then, including Target Locks, which makes the ships more susceptible to moves that play on target locks.
  • JacenRoe
    3016 posts Member
    Foresight works exactly as it should. You just don't understand how attacks work. Some attacks remove all buffs... IF THEY HIT THE CHARACTER. If they are dodged (from foresight or otherwise) they don't remove buffs.
    Lossberg wrote: »
    Regarding foresight - Assaj will dispel all buffs along with foresight

    This is why Ventress removes all buffs including foresight. Her dispel does no damage. It isn't required that the attack actually hit the target to get the effect. It just automatically gets the effect of removing all buffs including foresight. Others have to meet certain conditions first (hitting the target) to then get their effect, and the foresight prevents that from happening.
  • Nikoms565
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    The issue with the OP's suggestions is that current abilities are balanced based on current buff/debuff functionality. Changing the way even 1 type of buff/debuff works could drastically alter game balance....which is tenuous enough as it is.
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  • Why do you have to overcomplicate things? Buffs = helpful, Debuff = harmful. It's as simple as that. If you see Green over your head, it's something that helps you, if you see Red over your, it's something that harms you.
  • Allenb60
    2171 posts Member
    JacenRoe wrote: »
    Foresight works exactly as it should. You just don't understand how attacks work. Some attacks remove all buffs... IF THEY HIT THE CHARACTER. If they are dodged (from foresight or otherwise) they don't remove buffs.
    Lossberg wrote: »
    Regarding foresight - Assaj will dispel all buffs along with foresight

    This is why Ventress removes all buffs including foresight. Her dispel does no damage. It isn't required that the attack actually hit the target to get the effect. It just automatically gets the effect of removing all buffs including foresight. Others have to meet certain conditions first (hitting the target) to then get their effect, and the foresight prevents that from happening.

    Well it used to be possible to evade but got changed to it's current state
  • JacenRoe
    3016 posts Member
    Allenb60 wrote: »
    JacenRoe wrote: »
    Foresight works exactly as it should. You just don't understand how attacks work. Some attacks remove all buffs... IF THEY HIT THE CHARACTER. If they are dodged (from foresight or otherwise) they don't remove buffs.
    Lossberg wrote: »
    Regarding foresight - Assaj will dispel all buffs along with foresight

    This is why Ventress removes all buffs including foresight. Her dispel does no damage. It isn't required that the attack actually hit the target to get the effect. It just automatically gets the effect of removing all buffs including foresight. Others have to meet certain conditions first (hitting the target) to then get their effect, and the foresight prevents that from happening.

    Well it used to be possible to evade but got changed to it's current state

    Which is more consistent with how other character abilities work. Others have always required you to hit the target before the dispel does its work which is why foresight works exactly as it should contrary to what the OP says.
  • Acrofales
    1363 posts Member
    Target lock is the only thing that matters in ship battles. You'll see when your shard matures. Ship battles are all about (1) who gets target lock first, and (2) who gets target locks on more ships. This is especially case for Tarkin or Mace fleets, but with the omnipresence of Biggs, it's basically true for any fleet.
  • Kyno
    32087 posts Moderator
    Target lock does nothing. does not affect any stats or anything. So it should not be cleansable as it is not a debuff.

    Target lock causes your ships to be more susceptible to damage taken.

    Technically it makes you susceptible to additional damage and effects of the attack. I would consider this to be acting like expose.
  • JacenRoe wrote: »
    Foresight works exactly as it should. You just don't understand how attacks work. Some attacks remove all buffs... IF THEY HIT THE CHARACTER. If they are dodged (from foresight or otherwise) they don't remove buffs.

    Im almost 100% sure that Resistance Trooper still removes buffs even if his attack misses from foresight.
  • JacenRoe
    3016 posts Member
    Dxdavis18 wrote: »
    JacenRoe wrote: »
    Foresight works exactly as it should. You just don't understand how attacks work. Some attacks remove all buffs... IF THEY HIT THE CHARACTER. If they are dodged (from foresight or otherwise) they don't remove buffs.

    Im almost 100% sure that Resistance Trooper still removes buffs even if his attack misses from foresight.

    It doesn't.
  • Pyrefly
    1254 posts Member
    JacenRoe wrote: »
    Foresight works exactly as it should. You just don't understand how attacks work. Some attacks remove all buffs... IF THEY HIT THE CHARACTER. If they are dodged (from foresight or otherwise) they don't remove buffs.
    Dxdavis18 wrote: »
    Im almost 100% sure that Resistance Trooper still removes buffs even if his attack misses from foresight.
    JacenRoe wrote: »
    It doesn't.
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  • ExarTheKun
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    @JacenRoe actually, RT special does remove buffs after it misses from foresight. I run Resistance in arena and GW and utilize this regularly against Jedi and R2 teams.
  • Target lock does nothing. does not affect any stats or anything. So it should not be cleansable as it is not a debuff.

    Target lock causes your ships to be more susceptible to damage taken.

    Still not a debuff
  • JacenRoe wrote: »
    Foresight works exactly as it should. You just don't understand how attacks work. Some attacks remove all buffs... IF THEY HIT THE CHARACTER. If they are dodged (from foresight or otherwise) they don't remove buffs.
    Lossberg wrote: »
    Regarding foresight - Assaj will dispel all buffs along with foresight

    This is why Ventress removes all buffs including foresight. Her dispel does no damage. It isn't required that the attack actually hit the target to get the effect. It just automatically gets the effect of removing all buffs including foresight. Others have to meet certain conditions first (hitting the target) to then get their effect, and the foresight prevents that from happening.

    Oh I agree that is works as it should. And I understand how it worksor should work. What you say is right. However based on the way things are written in game it's not really working as stated. And Nhilus drain force should not be blocked at this is not an attack regardless of seeing little things hit people this is only a visual effect. That doesn't actually happen. There is no
    attack to be blocked.
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