Theory crafting the best "Rebel Maneuvers" counter attack team
August 3, 2017 2:25PM
edited August 2017
Leader Ability – Rebel Maneuvers:
Rebel allies have +50% Counter Chance, +50% Defense, and +15% Offense. Whenever an enemy Resists a detrimental effect, Rebel allies gain 5% Turn Meter.
R2D2 has to go in spot 2. I mean, besides the whole "stun on basic" thing, and the whole "extra stats up the wazoo for Rebels", and the whole "dispel on crit" thing, and the whole "bringing so much extra attack and health for rebels" thing, you have the fanboy "R2 and Luke!" thing. Gotta have R2!
I think you have to include Ahsoka Tano (Fulcrum) here. Basic attack is already high + protection up will be pretty amazing on counters. I would get SO annoyed fighting with her countering all the time and giving a huge 40% protection all over the place.
Not sure about the last two spots. Maybe Chaze? Chirrut has a decent enough basic, and Baze will do his normal Bazey stuff. So they wouldn't bring counter damage, but they'd bring more survivability.
Maybe Wiggs instead? Or is having Wedge is a non-leader role a waste?
Ezra for spot 4? After a few turns his extra offense will be amping up his basic damage, and the occasional double tap will start really hurting.
Cassian - his basic is (surprisingly) high, it has buff immunity on it, and his aoe debuffs will feed the turn meter gain if resisted.
^^ This is actually interesting. Let's say one enemy resists 3 possible debuffs. Is that 15% TM gain for each debuff resisted, or 5% for the enemy, regardless of how many he resisted?
I hate to say it, but Pao might be good here. Lots of basic attacks going off to lower his cooldowns (are they even any good???), and lots of potential double and triple attacks. I still won't run someone who appeared in a movie for 5 seconds, though.
How about Kanaan? He'd have 100% counter chance (his 70% + Luke's 50) with Offense Down thrown in. Plus you'd almost want a resist so everybody gets 5% TM!
Man, there will be a LOT of options. I think, after reviewing, my theorycrafted team would be ...
Luke (l), R2D2, ATF, Cassian, Kanaan
How about you?
Rebel allies have +50% Counter Chance, +50% Defense, and +15% Offense. Whenever an enemy Resists a detrimental effect, Rebel allies gain 5% Turn Meter.
R2D2 has to go in spot 2. I mean, besides the whole "stun on basic" thing, and the whole "extra stats up the wazoo for Rebels", and the whole "dispel on crit" thing, and the whole "bringing so much extra attack and health for rebels" thing, you have the fanboy "R2 and Luke!" thing. Gotta have R2!
I think you have to include Ahsoka Tano (Fulcrum) here. Basic attack is already high + protection up will be pretty amazing on counters. I would get SO annoyed fighting with her countering all the time and giving a huge 40% protection all over the place.
Not sure about the last two spots. Maybe Chaze? Chirrut has a decent enough basic, and Baze will do his normal Bazey stuff. So they wouldn't bring counter damage, but they'd bring more survivability.
Maybe Wiggs instead? Or is having Wedge is a non-leader role a waste?
Ezra for spot 4? After a few turns his extra offense will be amping up his basic damage, and the occasional double tap will start really hurting.
Cassian - his basic is (surprisingly) high, it has buff immunity on it, and his aoe debuffs will feed the turn meter gain if resisted.
^^ This is actually interesting. Let's say one enemy resists 3 possible debuffs. Is that 15% TM gain for each debuff resisted, or 5% for the enemy, regardless of how many he resisted?
I hate to say it, but Pao might be good here. Lots of basic attacks going off to lower his cooldowns (are they even any good???), and lots of potential double and triple attacks. I still won't run someone who appeared in a movie for 5 seconds, though.
How about Kanaan? He'd have 100% counter chance (his 70% + Luke's 50) with Offense Down thrown in. Plus you'd almost want a resist so everybody gets 5% TM!
Man, there will be a LOT of options. I think, after reviewing, my theorycrafted team would be ...
Luke (l), R2D2, ATF, Cassian, Kanaan
How about you?
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Or Zeb?
Zeb would be great. Basic is low damage, but "Daze for 2 turns" on counter would be fantastic, or stun if already dazed.
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We are talking about counters, so I thought Zaul will be one
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I see. No, the thread is about building a team around CL, who has counter chance as his leader ability, not counters to beat CL and his counter chance.
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YES HOW DARE YOU MAKE A MISTAKE!!!1!1111
Lol no worries... but, to your point, zMaul probably will be a counter, but since most CL teams will have R2 which counters zMaul.... will be interesting to see what happens to arena.
A counter attack team that counters one of the best counters to that team (Insert explosion)
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kanan not gonna be viable. he hit too low, hes boring, uninteresting. i dont see why 100% counter chance should make him viable, totally unappealing, and this guy is phoenix, a jedi and a rebel, can be used for EP, Yoda, Thrawn. almost a must-have toon, yet no one wants to have it.
cassian is fine in R1 squad, when buffing k2so. in this squad, i dont see him bringing the damage.
its just like id want to say that in theory, HRSoldier could work, but no, his stats are too much behind.
Ezra would be good in that team. gaining 15% offense, more offense from R2, and the 2-3 turns you give him to stack (with the taunter or R2 hide him).
ATF i barely seen TBH, but from what i seen, she underperforming. as an attacker, id rather have Ezra, and you'll need the taunter, so, for me ? ahsoka out.
so we got the damage, we got the support, we got the leader, who else we need ? the tank. the easy option is Baze, and along with Chirrut for "half leader ability" of HoTs, you got yourself amazing team.
other option can be STHan. why ? TM manipulation ofc.
but most interesting will be obi wan. if his taunt is reliable, and R2D2 can hide all but him, obi will probably be the best option. if he still have that AoE - you gain lot of TM or 2 wasted turns on enemy team, good situation either way. if he still have the dodges, that will be extremely annoying. but if i remember right, his defense is the highest in game. his armor and resistance are very high, and luke also give... 50% defense.
if you not going Chaze, id go Luke (L), R2D2, Ezra, Obi-Wan/STH (depends on the rework), DN/Thrawn.
CLS, PL, OB, R2, Ezra will be a popular team. Survivsbility from OB and R2, heavy hits from Ezra and PL, and all kinds of funky utility from CLS. I think this will be a winning team
So aside from those 2, I think Ezra is a great bet, which leaves 2 spots, likely for chaze or for wiggs. You'd have to have a ton of speed if you ran wiggs to make up for not having a tank, so it looks like Luke, Ezra, R2, Chaze is the best bet for an arena team.
He also has a debuff on his basic so whenever that gets resisted on a counter (auto taunt so he's attacked a lot) 5% tm for everyone
However, not considering potential reworks, my vote would be either:
Luke, r2, ATF, chaze
or
Luke, wiggs, chaze
Their OB pops his aoe double debuff, your team resists all 10 and their team all gets 50% tm. Luke's basic will give their whole team 10% tm vs. u. CLS is the end of Chaze.
It's about time they shut down Rex leads and Chaze. zMaul won't come back bcuz of R2. Gonna b interesting in the next few months.
You only get tenacity up from chirrut on toons that don't have debuffs. Odds of all 5 toons with no debuffs and low health is rare.
Or if Luke's lead will be good:
Commander Luke Skywalker lead, chirrut, baze, R2D2, [Open slot]
[Open slot] = {Ahsoka Tano Fulcrum, ¿Reworked Leia?,etc};
Hoth is back! Or is rising ...
For my part i only see a few toons in such team:
- Han Solo (raid) since he's already a counter character and deals huge damages on a low TM character, he also has interesting buffs and decent (even if low) survivability.
- Fulcrum since she'll buff her team if she can spam her basic and deals huge damages on her basic too. With a regular shield buff she could be extremely annoying on a counter team. She also can deal humongous damages and then help killing fast enough opponents in such team.
- Biggs Enough survivability, an assist and most importantly, nice basic damages plus TM when hit by a critical will make him annoying as hell on a counter team. He'll basically hit twice and refresh his assist like crazy when focus.
- Ezra The guy is lethal, a dispell and one of the best assist (especially on a support team) combined with the most lethal basic around... He could do wonder under a Luke lead. He has decent protection too.
- R2 The little droid is pretty much mandatory on any rebel team anyway. He synergizes well with Fulcrum and Luke too.
Interesting minor adds:
- Hoth rebel scout, 25%TM to the party upon basic, hell yeah !
- Cassian for a huge Luke & Fulcrum synergy on a rebel team.
I'm only wondering if one needs a tank and heal on such team, R2 can help with diversion and counter usually allow huge starting damages especially against AoE teams. You only have to deal with EP party stun and Maul party confuse.
Thanks to Luke most tanks won't taunt much and maybe one should think about a Luke/Boba duo since we could have two toons who don't care much about them anyway (nice team to deal with Nihilus meta).
Other toons won't be much interesting i guess, Leia could have been lethal but she's stealthy (and thus not much focused) and can't stand much a hit.
My bets are Luke (l) Fulcrum, R2, Chaze on a tougher team.
Or something like Luke (l) Fulcrum, Han Solo, Ezra, Cassian (or Biggs), R2 on a more suicidal party. If Baze dispells your R2's smoke screen i'm pretty sure he won't survive a turn with all of this counter-attacks anyway.
Or just throw a zSavage or a zylo in on a non full rebel team to make him tank with R2 help in a worst case scenario.
Like... Leia, Pao, Sabine & ?
You would probably want a tank of some sort... but think of all the bonus attacks Gar could bring in that last spot!
Probably not practical... but sounds fun at least
Lead CLS 100%
Kanan Jarus 120% (70+50 Luke lead. )
K2so 147.6% (97.6+50)
Han Solo 85% (35% before rework+50)
(I'd go R2 for support next but keeping it strictly counter)
Hoth rebel soldier 90% (40+50)
you have to go r2, or Zaul+Zavage+SA will win this team in 3v5
It could be a similar team with OB instead of STH.
Lastly it coul be Luke r-2 Ahsoka Chaze. Since why wouldn't it be.