Character Strategy: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Old Ben)

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  • AlKafir
    28 posts Member
    edited August 2017
    Don't get why Ben gets 2nd Taunt if fracture is on
  • Hskull55
    2262 posts Member
    His new basic is made for a CLS lead team, were he will be counter attacking and gaining that potency up
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  • Drepd wrote: »
    they should add in the description that he dispels himself and gains taunt. Thats the only way he should be able to gain his taunt again if he is fractured or has any type of buff immunity on him.

    I don't see why people are obsessed with fracture, he'll loose his taunt and fracture prevents him from getting it again. Nothing's wrong with Ben tooltip or whatever.

    What is worrying me is more Old ben reworeked kit than its tooltip.

    Turn 1. Mind trick and then a tank who is still not taunting. No potency, terrible results most certainly.
    Turn 2. Finally he taunts, most certainly dispelled. Great a 1 turn taunt on a 4 turns CD... since no one is taunting you most certainly have lost one toon or two anyway.
    Turn 3 to 6 worthless basic spam while getting a potency up buff which is needed by absolutely no skill during 3 turns.

    So... Mind tricks happens still too late, will be resisted cause potency up on his basic is just ridiculous as opposed to Luke, Jyn, Bistan or Sidious own mechanics. Spamming a potency buff only buffing a single skill every 5s is a complete waste of design ressources.

    He's barely tanking still too late and his survivability takes a serious hit since evasion up is now missing. A 4 turns CD taunt is also not much reliable.

    Old ben isn't worse but his new kit seriously lacks of consistency.

    He could have automatically taunted whenever someone gets a debuff or go below 100% health or whatever. He could have started any fight with a 1 turn potency up buff the same way Cassian works and keep evasion up or whatever....

    I think you're making a weird assumption that he will use Mind tricks before his taunt. If he uses his taunt first, that completely changes your entire scenario.
  • Smapty
    1260 posts Member
    Smapty wrote: »
    CamaroAMF wrote: »
    Looks like Thrawn dispels the taunt, it's immediately reapplied, then damage, then fracture debuff is applied. OB momentarily has taunt and fracture both, then Thrawn's tm fills up causing fracture to go away, leaving just the taunt.

    Yeah this is what it looks like to me as well... kind of a glitchy scenario to demonstrate his new ability

    I doubt the taunt would remain if the fracture was still active and if someone other than Thrawn moved next

    With more thought the second taunt from Old Ben should never even occur since fracture should theoretically block any buff...

    Again it's a weird scenario to demonstrate the ability...
  • Ender22
    1194 posts Member
    Too bad he's loosing the evasion up since he's taunting now... Since his damage output is terrible he could have kept this buff tbh. Loosing a turn to hit with his ridiculous basic before he uses mind trick is suicidal and uninteresting tactics especially since you need another turn to taunt...
    Design around this rework doesn't feel smooth nor quite logical to me.
    Buffing his potency and making him automatically taunt upon X situation on his unique or on another would have been way better than another uninspired taunt skill.

    Using a zeta on him feels like a theft and locking the 5% TM gain behind it is utterly frustrating. Old ben could have been awesome but in the end he's a really awkward, better but still bad overall. Ok more TM means faster mind trick but (1) his basic is worthless and even worse with potency up (only his special needs it, seriously) (2) Mind trick CD is too long anyway, everyone will be dead before he'll be able to use it (3) his speed his still totally bad and i can assure you he'll still be the last who will be killed, ever.
    Mission failed...

    Plus I don't get much the new obsession around putting zetas everywhere, especially on terrible toons.

    You should probably re-read his kit & think about what his abilities do. For starters you don't want him avoiding attacks so removing evasion up and adding evasion down works. Also anytime a Jedi or rebel is attacked he gains 5% tm so no, everyone else will not die before he gets a chance to go because the more they get hit the closer he is to going. Also why would you use his basic before mind tricks?

    Basic before Mindtricks (well now) for Potency up. But really, you'd use taunt first now, counter attack under Luke, gainnpotency up, then use mind tricks.

    But I do want him to evade, why wouldn't anyone want a dodgy tank? Sure, if he dies you get a lot of buffs, but if your tank doesn't die, neither does your team, eventually he will die but the longer that takes, the better.

    I think they removed evasion up because it would have been OP

  • Too bad he's loosing the evasion up since he's taunting now... Since his damage output is terrible he could have kept this buff tbh. Loosing a turn to hit with his ridiculous basic before he uses mind trick is suicidal and uninteresting tactics especially since you need another turn to taunt...
    Design around this rework doesn't feel smooth nor quite logical to me.
    Buffing his potency and making him automatically taunt upon X situation on his unique or on another would have been way better than another uninspired taunt skill.

    Using a zeta on him feels like a theft and locking the 5% TM gain behind it is utterly frustrating. Old ben could have been awesome but in the end he's a really awkward, better but still bad overall. Ok more TM means faster mind trick but (1) his basic is worthless and even worse with potency up (only his special needs it, seriously) (2) Mind trick CD is too long anyway, everyone will be dead before he'll be able to use it (3) his speed his still totally bad and i can assure you he'll still be the last who will be killed, ever.
    Mission failed...

    Plus I don't get much the new obsession around putting zetas everywhere, especially on terrible toons.

    You should probably re-read his kit & think about what his abilities do. For starters you don't want him avoiding attacks so removing evasion up and adding evasion down works. Also anytime a Jedi or rebel is attacked he gains 5% tm so no, everyone else will not die before he gets a chance to go because the more they get hit the closer he is to going. Also why would you use his basic before mind tricks? Mindtricks can't be evaded and if they're resisted under CLS leads it's 80% tm gain for everyone.

    Read what, everything has been changed to allow a faster mind tricks cast, not make him die. Anyway he still won't die cause his taunt is quite terrible and no one will care about him and still not kill him until he's the last one. Ability block, stun or buff immunity, he won't have much opportunity to die.

    You won't make him gain 5% TM unless he gets a zeta (or 7% tooltip isn't much clear yet) but even with that much Old ben is so slow he still will be last to play. Once he uses mind trick he's still pretty much worthless for what... 5 turns.
    So you think Old ben kit works because a worthless toon gives 80% TM to everyone (how much wasted) once every 5 turns ? Rex alone is far better than that and doesn't need a zeta nor Luke lead.

    Anyway if ben purpose is to fail at anything and buff TM, why does he have potency up on his basic then ?

    As i said, nothing is consistent in his kit.
  • CamaroAMF
    1114 posts Member
    Smapty wrote: »
    Smapty wrote: »
    CamaroAMF wrote: »
    Looks like Thrawn dispels the taunt, it's immediately reapplied, then damage, then fracture debuff is applied. OB momentarily has taunt and fracture both, then Thrawn's tm fills up causing fracture to go away, leaving just the taunt.

    Yeah this is what it looks like to me as well... kind of a glitchy scenario to demonstrate his new ability

    I doubt the taunt would remain if the fracture was still active and if someone other than Thrawn moved next

    With more thought the second taunt from Old Ben should never even occur since fracture should theoretically block any buff...

    Again it's a weird scenario to demonstrate the ability...

    I agree...but I think the mechanics of it aren't blocking buffs until after the dispel of taunt automatically causes taunt to reapply. Might just be them needing the dispel to occur after buffs are blocked. Not sure
  • CamaroAMF
    1114 posts Member
    @CG_Kozispoon are there any changes to base stats to go with these reworks or are they just reworking abilities?
  • Jamesm
    863 posts Member
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Cardiff0 wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.

    This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs

    I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.

    Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
    the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
    1. dispel buff(s)
    2. opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
    3. debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
    4. damage is done

    To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.

    I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?

    They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt

    I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.

    I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.

    Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.

    Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.

    I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.
  • Jamesm
    863 posts Member
    Smapty wrote: »
    CamaroAMF wrote: »
    Looks like Thrawn dispels the taunt, it's immediately reapplied, then damage, then fracture debuff is applied. OB momentarily has taunt and fracture both, then Thrawn's tm fills up causing fracture to go away, leaving just the taunt.

    Yeah this is what it looks like to me as well... kind of a glitchy scenario to demonstrate his new ability

    I doubt the taunt would remain if the fracture was still active and if someone other than Thrawn moved next

    This
  • Peempo
    386 posts Member
    He will clearly still have his Jedi tag, one of his abilities has synergy with Jedi and rebels.

    By this definition is plo a clone trooper than? Just saying. Things aren't as they should be in this game in alot of cases. Clarity ftw.
  • Brownie
    298 posts Member
    Corruptor wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Can you clarify what is happening here @CG_Kozispoon since you cant gain buffs while Fractured, why is Old Ben still taunting?

    I think because of this??
    When this Taunt expires, Old Ben gains Taunt for 1 turn. All allies gain Defense Up for 2 turns." (Cooldown 4)

    Sigh...maybe you should try playing with Thrawn before you comment on the forums...
  • Peempo
    386 posts Member
    Peempo wrote: »
    Looks great, but I have one question: is old Ben receiving the rebel tag in addition to Jedi? Or in place of?
    bth.gif

    Woot.
  • zombiwan_kenobi
    427 posts Member
    edited August 2017
    SGMiller87 wrote: »
    Drepd wrote: »
    they should add in the description that he dispels himself and gains taunt. Thats the only way he should be able to gain his taunt again if he is fractured or has any type of buff immunity on him.

    I don't see why people are obsessed with fracture, he'll loose his taunt and fracture prevents him from getting it again. Nothing's wrong with Ben tooltip or whatever.

    What is worrying me is more Old ben reworeked kit than its tooltip.

    Turn 1. Mind trick and then a tank who is still not taunting. No potency, terrible results most certainly.
    Turn 2. Finally he taunts, most certainly dispelled. Great a 1 turn taunt on a 4 turns CD... since no one is taunting you most certainly have lost one toon or two anyway.
    Turn 3 to 6 worthless basic spam while getting a potency up buff which is needed by absolutely no skill during 3 turns.

    So... Mind tricks happens still too late, will be resisted cause potency up on his basic is just ridiculous as opposed to Luke, Jyn, Bistan or Sidious own mechanics. Spamming a potency buff only buffing a single skill every 5s is a complete waste of design ressources.

    He's barely tanking still too late and his survivability takes a serious hit since evasion up is now missing. A 4 turns CD taunt is also not much reliable.

    Old ben isn't worse but his new kit seriously lacks of consistency.

    He could have automatically taunted whenever someone gets a debuff or go below 100% health or whatever. He could have started any fight with a 1 turn potency up buff the same way Cassian works and keep evasion up or whatever....

    I think you're making a weird assumption that he will use Mind tricks before his taunt. If he uses his taunt first, that completely changes your entire scenario.

    If he taunts first it could be even worse cause most dispells will certainly be available and using mind trick when every single opponent has had enough time to use his entire kit is completely worthless. Ability block once you don't have any more skill to use isn't a better scenario to me.

    Baze Malbus works fine cause he doesn't have to cast a worthless taunt skill and then can only rely upon his special.
    Same thing with Shoretrooper and his entire kit relies upon one single skill.

    Old ben is a mess and will fail at being both a tank (slow and clunky) and a debuffer (weird potency mechanics and awful CD). His kit is overcomplicated with poor results and AI won't help much there.
  • Brownie
    298 posts Member
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Cardiff0 wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.

    This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs

    I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.

    Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
    the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
    1. dispel buff(s)
    2. opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
    3. debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
    4. damage is done

    To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.

    I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?

    They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt

    I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.

    I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.

    Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.

    Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.

    I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.

    lol, go play a solo match in any area with Thrawn vs Savage, or Thrawn vs Biggs, or Thrawn vs Zaul. I am willing to bet NONE of them gain a buff during Fracture. Slow the video down and watch. I bet you never see a buff. If I paused this gif, you would clearly see both Fracture and Taunt. This would not happen with any of the previous toons I mentioned.
  • Ender22 wrote: »
    Too bad he's loosing the evasion up since he's taunting now... Since his damage output is terrible he could have kept this buff tbh. Loosing a turn to hit with his ridiculous basic before he uses mind trick is suicidal and uninteresting tactics especially since you need another turn to taunt...
    Design around this rework doesn't feel smooth nor quite logical to me.
    Buffing his potency and making him automatically taunt upon X situation on his unique or on another would have been way better than another uninspired taunt skill.

    Using a zeta on him feels like a theft and locking the 5% TM gain behind it is utterly frustrating. Old ben could have been awesome but in the end he's a really awkward, better but still bad overall. Ok more TM means faster mind trick but (1) his basic is worthless and even worse with potency up (only his special needs it, seriously) (2) Mind trick CD is too long anyway, everyone will be dead before he'll be able to use it (3) his speed his still totally bad and i can assure you he'll still be the last who will be killed, ever.
    Mission failed...

    Plus I don't get much the new obsession around putting zetas everywhere, especially on terrible toons.

    You should probably re-read his kit & think about what his abilities do. For starters you don't want him avoiding attacks so removing evasion up and adding evasion down works. Also anytime a Jedi or rebel is attacked he gains 5% tm so no, everyone else will not die before he gets a chance to go because the more they get hit the closer he is to going. Also why would you use his basic before mind tricks?

    Basic before Mindtricks (well now) for Potency up. But really, you'd use taunt first now, counter attack under Luke, gainnpotency up, then use mind tricks.

    But I do want him to evade, why wouldn't anyone want a dodgy tank? Sure, if he dies you get a lot of buffs, but if your tank doesn't die, neither does your team, eventually he will die but the longer that takes, the better.

    I think they removed evasion up because it would have been OP

    Maybe. But under CLS he'll be countering 50% of the time (can you counter if you evade?) which yeah he doesn't hit very hard, but will be applying evasion down.
  • Corruptor wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Can you clarify what is happening here @CG_Kozispoon since you cant gain buffs while Fractured, why is Old Ben still taunting?

    I think because of this??
    When this Taunt expires, Old Ben gains Taunt for 1 turn. All allies gain Defense Up for 2 turns." (Cooldown 4)

    Do you even thrawn, bro?
  • Jamesm
    863 posts Member
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    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Cardiff0 wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.

    This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs

    I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.

    Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
    the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
    1. dispel buff(s)
    2. opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
    3. debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
    4. damage is done

    To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.

    I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?

    They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt

    I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.

    I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.

    Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.

    Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.

    I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.

    lol, go play a solo match in any area with Thrawn vs Savage, or Thrawn vs Biggs, or Thrawn vs Zaul. I am willing to bet NONE of them gain a buff during Fracture. Slow the video down and watch. I bet you never see a buff. If I paused this gif, you would clearly see both Fracture and Taunt. This would not happen with any of the previous toons I mentioned.

    Read what i wrote. do any of those characters gain their buffs back when fracture expires?
  • SGMiller87 wrote: »
    Drepd wrote: »
    they should add in the description that he dispels himself and gains taunt. Thats the only way he should be able to gain his taunt again if he is fractured or has any type of buff immunity on him.

    I don't see why people are obsessed with fracture, he'll loose his taunt and fracture prevents him from getting it again. Nothing's wrong with Ben tooltip or whatever.

    What is worrying me is more Old ben reworeked kit than its tooltip.

    Turn 1. Mind trick and then a tank who is still not taunting. No potency, terrible results most certainly.
    Turn 2. Finally he taunts, most certainly dispelled. Great a 1 turn taunt on a 4 turns CD... since no one is taunting you most certainly have lost one toon or two anyway.
    Turn 3 to 6 worthless basic spam while getting a potency up buff which is needed by absolutely no skill during 3 turns.

    So... Mind tricks happens still too late, will be resisted cause potency up on his basic is just ridiculous as opposed to Luke, Jyn, Bistan or Sidious own mechanics. Spamming a potency buff only buffing a single skill every 5s is a complete waste of design ressources.

    He's barely tanking still too late and his survivability takes a serious hit since evasion up is now missing. A 4 turns CD taunt is also not much reliable.

    Old ben isn't worse but his new kit seriously lacks of consistency.

    He could have automatically taunted whenever someone gets a debuff or go below 100% health or whatever. He could have started any fight with a 1 turn potency up buff the same way Cassian works and keep evasion up or whatever....

    I think you're making a weird assumption that he will use Mind tricks before his taunt. If he uses his taunt first, that completely changes your entire scenario.

    If he taunts first it could be even worse cause most dispells will certainly be available and using mind trick when every single opponent has had enough time to use his entire kit is completely worthless. Ability block once you don't have any more skill to use isn't a better scenario to me.

    Baze Malbus works fine cause he doesn't have to cast a worthless taunt skill and then can only rely upon his special.
    Same thing with Shoretrooper and his entire kit relies upon one single skill.

    Old ben is a mess and will fail at being both a tank and a debuffer. His kit is overcomplicated with poor results and AI won't help much there.

    I think you're making very definitive statements for having not used him. Also, you're again presenting a strange scenario. If his taunt is immediately dispelled, he immediately regains taunt. I think it's way too early to say for sure but calling him "a mess" seems incredibly aggressive.
  • Brownie
    298 posts Member
    Corruptor wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Can you clarify what is happening here @CG_Kozispoon since you cant gain buffs while Fractured, why is Old Ben still taunting?

    I think because of this??
    When this Taunt expires, Old Ben gains Taunt for 1 turn. All allies gain Defense Up for 2 turns." (Cooldown 4)

    Do you even thrawn, bro?

    My thoughts exactly
  • Brownie
    298 posts Member
    Jamesm wrote: »
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    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Cardiff0 wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.

    This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs

    I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.

    Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
    the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
    1. dispel buff(s)
    2. opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
    3. debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
    4. damage is done

    To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.

    I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?

    They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt

    I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.

    I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.

    Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.

    Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.

    I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.

    lol, go play a solo match in any area with Thrawn vs Savage, or Thrawn vs Biggs, or Thrawn vs Zaul. I am willing to bet NONE of them gain a buff during Fracture. Slow the video down and watch. I bet you never see a buff. If I paused this gif, you would clearly see both Fracture and Taunt. This would not happen with any of the previous toons I mentioned.

    Read what i wrote. do any of those characters gain their buffs back when fracture expires?

    Why do you think Ben gains his taunt back when Fracture expires? Does his ability state that somewhere?
  • Brownie wrote: »
    Corruptor wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Can you clarify what is happening here @CG_Kozispoon since you cant gain buffs while Fractured, why is Old Ben still taunting?

    I think because of this??
    When this Taunt expires, Old Ben gains Taunt for 1 turn. All allies gain Defense Up for 2 turns." (Cooldown 4)

    Do you even thrawn, bro?

    My thoughts exactly

    Like. +1. Whatever kids do these days
  • Jamesm
    863 posts Member
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
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    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Cardiff0 wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.

    This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs

    I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.

    Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
    the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
    1. dispel buff(s)
    2. opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
    3. debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
    4. damage is done

    To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.

    I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?

    They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt

    I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.

    I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.

    Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.

    Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.

    I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.

    lol, go play a solo match in any area with Thrawn vs Savage, or Thrawn vs Biggs, or Thrawn vs Zaul. I am willing to bet NONE of them gain a buff during Fracture. Slow the video down and watch. I bet you never see a buff. If I paused this gif, you would clearly see both Fracture and Taunt. This would not happen with any of the previous toons I mentioned.

    Read what i wrote. do any of those characters gain their buffs back when fracture expires?

    Why do you think Ben gains his taunt back when Fracture expires? Does his ability state that somewhere?

    Yes! When you dispel his taunt he gains taunt back.
  • Brownie
    298 posts Member
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
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    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Cardiff0 wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.

    This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs

    I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.

    Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
    the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
    1. dispel buff(s)
    2. opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
    3. debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
    4. damage is done

    To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.

    I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?

    They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt

    I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.

    I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.

    Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.

    Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.

    I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.

    lol, go play a solo match in any area with Thrawn vs Savage, or Thrawn vs Biggs, or Thrawn vs Zaul. I am willing to bet NONE of them gain a buff during Fracture. Slow the video down and watch. I bet you never see a buff. If I paused this gif, you would clearly see both Fracture and Taunt. This would not happen with any of the previous toons I mentioned.

    Read what i wrote. do any of those characters gain their buffs back when fracture expires?

    Why do you think Ben gains his taunt back when Fracture expires? Does his ability state that somewhere?

    Yes! When you dispel his taunt he gains taunt back.

    He gains his taunt back when his TAUNT expires, not when FRACTURE expires. Do you see the difference? Fracture does not allow you to gain buffs. You dont get those buffs back after Fracture disappears. Someone help me explain this PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!
  • Kozispoon
    3245 posts EA Staff (retired)
    CamaroAMF wrote: »
    @CG_Kozispoon are there any changes to base stats to go with these reworks or are they just reworking abilities?

    Ability changes only!
    Thank you for your patience 8D Forum Guidelines
  • SeeeD
    141 posts Member
    @CG_Kozispoon a zeta pack in the shop pls
  • Read fracture then...
    https://swgoh.gg/characters/grand-admiral-thrawn/

    "Fracture on characters: Speed is set to 0, can't gain buffs ..."
  • Jamesm
    863 posts Member
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    .
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    Jamesm wrote: »
    Brownie wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Cardiff0 wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.

    This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs

    I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.

    Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
    the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
    1. dispel buff(s)
    2. opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
    3. debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
    4. damage is done

    To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.

    I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?

    They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt

    I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.

    I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.

    Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.

    Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.

    I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.

    lol, go play a solo match in any area with Thrawn vs Savage, or Thrawn vs Biggs, or Thrawn vs Zaul. I am willing to bet NONE of them gain a buff during Fracture. Slow the video down and watch. I bet you never see a buff. If I paused this gif, you would clearly see both Fracture and Taunt. This would not happen with any of the previous toons I mentioned.

    Read what i wrote. do any of those characters gain their buffs back when fracture expires?

    Why do you think Ben gains his taunt back when Fracture expires? Does his ability state that somewhere?

    Yes! When you dispel his taunt he gains taunt back.

    He gains his taunt back when his TAUNT expires, not when FRACTURE expires. Do you see the difference? Fracture does not allow you to gain buffs. You dont get those buffs back after Fracture disappears. Someone help me explain this PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!

    Again this is where thrawn being alone comes in to play. And how do you know he doesnt gain taunt after fracture dispels the first one (and after fracture ends) its a new ability.
  • NicolBolas wrote: »
    ZaulLover wrote: »
    hahahaha here i come HAAT p3, here i come.
    love this. love the taunt, love the taunt after the taunt, love the TM gain when not hit.
    im sure he still doing like... 0 damage, but im kinda fine with it, his job is crowd control and take hits. gonna be great with r2d2, enemy will have to atc obi!
    but very important - can we get the IYSMD description without the zeta ? im having hard time understand its level 7 @CG_Kozispoon or anyone else that understood.

    Just minus the stats from the zeta upgrade?

    "Whenever another Jedi or Rebel ally takes damage, Old Ben gains 3% Turn Meter. The first time Old Ben is defeated, all allies gain Offense Up and Speed Up for 2 turns, recover 30% Health and 30% Protection."

    thank you
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