Unpopular Opinion Time: Using the "Escape Strategy" (Zylo, Zavage, CLS)
August 18, 2017 2:14PM
edited August 2017
In my opinion, it's not only an exploit - it's borderline cheating. But that's probably going a hair too far.
I've seen tons of people claiming solos on Facebook, reddit, etc - and - to me - it seems like this is NOT what the developers intended. This misuse of the escape function of the game should be patched out. And there's a simple solution in my mind:
MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN ONLY ESCAPE ONCE PER CHARACTER FOR THE RAID.
That solves everything and still allows the retreat function to serve it's normal and useful purposes.
I think the HAAT was partially ruined by people exploiting this feature in the game. It promoted a lack of development on rosters for guilds relying on these methods to complete the raid and has, in my opinion, put the game in a state where people aren't even trying anymore.
If you remove the challenge from something, then it takes the fun out of it. When I see guilds recruiting or posting about their guild and saying they have the "HAAT on farm" and that they use Zylo to do P1 and Zavage to do p3 - it really shows how much the HAAT raid has fallen into nothingness imo. To me, those aren't HAAT ready guilds. Rather, they're guilds who are exploiting the game to get an advantage when they otherwise couldn't - which, to me, is cheating.
I've seen tons of people claiming solos on Facebook, reddit, etc - and - to me - it seems like this is NOT what the developers intended. This misuse of the escape function of the game should be patched out. And there's a simple solution in my mind:
MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN ONLY ESCAPE ONCE PER CHARACTER FOR THE RAID.
That solves everything and still allows the retreat function to serve it's normal and useful purposes.
I think the HAAT was partially ruined by people exploiting this feature in the game. It promoted a lack of development on rosters for guilds relying on these methods to complete the raid and has, in my opinion, put the game in a state where people aren't even trying anymore.
If you remove the challenge from something, then it takes the fun out of it. When I see guilds recruiting or posting about their guild and saying they have the "HAAT on farm" and that they use Zylo to do P1 and Zavage to do p3 - it really shows how much the HAAT raid has fallen into nothingness imo. To me, those aren't HAAT ready guilds. Rather, they're guilds who are exploiting the game to get an advantage when they otherwise couldn't - which, to me, is cheating.
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Your opinion isn't unpopular, your opinion just makes no sense. Retreat is a strategy, using retreat with toons that regain HP and protection is brilliant tactics that shows understanding of the game. You wanna save your toon for another fight. If he survived enough turns, what's the problem? i see no reason why you can't use zylo in P1 few times, but use Zody in p2, retreat, and then in p4 again.
You just search for stuff to complain about.
How would you know as when you retreat it doesn't register anything lol
And you don't see the bigger picture?
I mean, If you want to to chase the uncatchable carrot, go ahead. I rather use the minimal effort methods to do the HAAT, mainly because this utterly disgusting crunch of Stun Guns, Stun Cuffs and now Carbantis makes it impossible to gear up a full team in a reasonable (enjoyable) timeframe without dumping a crapload of money.
And with the recent load of characters and their gear requirements (on top of the characters required to get said characters) there's just little point in chasing the newest thing anymore. It just won't work unless you dump money.
Maybe to you that part about money is not a big deal, but don't blame others to go the easier way. Not like it would make any difference to you, how they obtained their shards.
EDIT: Also, with CLS you have a character that can solo the rancor on it's own and perform even better in P1 HAAT than Zylo. I don't really get why Zylo is NOW an issue to you?
Let me guess....someone solo p1 with Savage and you ranked 4th in raid because he done more damage then you
That's why that functionality hasn't been "fixed". It would change virtually nothing. But feel free to complain about imagined advantages that don't really exist.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Nope. Our guild drops the raid in ~45 minutes or so. There's no time for those kind of strategies.
Plus I can legitimately solo p4 (no retreating) so thankfully I'd never be in that position.
I just think it's an abuse of the in-game mechanic - that's all.
I disagree.
I'd say most of the guilds that use this feature are using it to beat a phase they a) otherwise couldn't beat or b) could beat but would be left bare for other phases.
There's nothing time saving about using Zylo in P1 over - say - someone using the Kenobi Sink or an IGD Jedi counter team. It takes significantly longer.
Bingo. I'll edit my post to make the distinction.
Everything can be done SOLO without retreat anyway, Thanks to CLS.
Solo Phase 1 with CLS is easy as hell.
Solo P3 thanks to CLS is 3 times shorter than with Jyn (but still easely doable with Jyn mechanics under Thrawn)
Solo P4 is like a peace of cake thanks to Leia's Rework.
Honestly your post just came 4 months too late. It would have been fun at that time, but completly useless since the CLS era.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/1223164#Comment_1223164
I'm perfectly fine with CLS "legit" solos. That's a character that people can use to do things without exploiting an in-game mechanic.
Again, you are talking about a very small percentage here - and, again, that's why it hasn't been "fixed". Just look at the Nute issue - that was handled in a matter of days. The Zylo issue isn't really an issue. That's why there's been no in-game change in months.
Those few guilds that "need" to Zylo phase 1 are likely using mercs anyway, as their guild isn't strong enough - but that's a different issue all together. And, once again, a very small percentage of guilds. CG tracks this information and you can bet if "most" guilds were doing it, it would have been "fixed" very quickly - like the Nute situation a few months back.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Well, devil's advocate here but how do you propose guilds new to haat get a Kenobi sink up and running?
I think the main advantage to zylo over Kenobi is you don't require the reward for completing haat 50 times in order to complete haat the first 50 times if you use zylo.
I don't know what's worse between exploits and power creep tbh.
One could say exploits solve partially unbalanced difficulty while power creep usually breaks the global game balance and thus pretty much kills all the fun.
It works both way. ^ ^
By "exploiting" you mean following the rules? Casting shade on people for following the rules is silly.
And the idea that it's unintended is nonsense. The devs commented on Zylo refreshing the retreat function, then went in and made a fix to prevent it from refreshing every turn. They fixed the Zader bug. They fixed Nutinni. But knowing full well that some toons who can regenerate health/protection and can solo P1 with enough time and retreats, what did they do? They added more who can do it even better. Zylo still can, it just takes a while now due to the escape mechanic working correctly. Zavage can. Thrawn can. And Luke can even better.
You are being needlessly insulting, and overly dramatic in accusing people of unethical behavior for playing the game exactly as it is designed. When you learn the rules of a system, and figure out an efficient/effective solution it's called strategy.
You are also making assumptions about the intentions of people you've never met based on no evidence. In fact, the devs popped the hood on the Zylo bug, and fixed it, but left it so that he and multiple other characters can still solo with retreats, said nothing to discourage people from doing so, and added more characters who can do it faster/better. I would say the evidence points to it being an acceptable, and intended behavior.
I'd say your opinion doesn't hold water. I'm glad other players can get through raids with this strategy, and that's coming from someone who has never done it personally.