Star Wars: The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

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  • DatBoi
    3572 posts Member
    edited July 2018
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Rey was motivated by a desire for purpose. She thought finding her parents would give her purpose. But she learned that purpose isn’t something that’s given to you, it’s something you create for yourself.

    #theme #characterarc
  • kalidor wrote: »
    kalidor wrote: »
    kalidor wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Kelarn wrote: »
    I just want to know why (after Carrie passed), Rian didn't have the foresight to change the ending of the movie and keep Luke alive to carry IX in her place. Guess Rey is single handedly taking out the Knights of Ren (if they ever show up).

    Because Rian is a terrible writer/director who should've never been allowed anywhere near something as big as Star Wars that's clearly way over his head.

    There are several writers that have been used for the last 4 movies, Perhaps they should've streamlined the process and gone with the best one? but I guess there was no way to know until after the scripts were written and the movies made.

    Mark Hamill knew. He started complaining about the script the second he got it.

    But he still was in it. Personally, if I was Mark, I would have bailed. But maybe money...

    Contract obligation, more likely. They probably signed him for the new trilogy. He did TFA, and by the time he saw the script for TLJ, it was probably more trouble to get out of than it was worth.

    But I see his point - the main thing that really bothered me about the movie was that Luke was intending, if even for a second, to kill his nephew - Han and Leia's son. I can forgive spacewalk leia, and even the pretty awful Canto bit (ffwd ftw). But Luke considering murder of a child (?) is just way too out of character. I think it could have been handled in a much better way - such as Luke threatening to expel Ben, Ben leaving, then coming back later with the knights of ren after taking up as Snoke's apprentice. The way it was done in the movie was way too heavy handed.

    How do we know we can trust Kylo's story? Perhaps it was a fabrication to justify his actions.

    Because Luke himself later confirmed it in his second recounting of the events.

    I will have to double check that. I don't remember Luke telling the story again. That would change my perspective. Luke was supposed to represent the light side in a dark galaxy.
    But maybe they're blending in the original story, where Luke joins the dark side, taking Vader's place at the end of ROTJ.

    Kylo's telling to Rey definitely shows a more rabid looking Luke, but Luke admitted to Rey after she found out that he did indeed have the thought to kill Kylo for a split second. I still have a hard time believing that Luke would choose that solution, even for a moment, after such a huge leap of faith with Vader in RotJ. (I'm in the the "generally liked the movie" camp, btw). The rest of the movies flaws I can generally write off, but that one sticks with me.

    It's one of my big ones, and I liked LJ more than FA. It goes back to psychology, we are naturally predispose to believing a good guy and that the bad guy always lies, that's why Yoda had to confirm Vader was Luke's father. Vader was the bad guy and couldn't be trusted.

    Like ben telling luke his dad waa dead , doh. Unless you mean obi won was bad ? Stop trying to make everything black and white , there is gray everywhere. Even in luke. And just because he sensed the good in vader and didnt in kylo should tell yall something.
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.
  • Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.
  • DatBoi
    3572 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao


    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    What? Where on Earth did you get this?
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.
  • Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it

    Yes, you don't get it. That's ok. It will come in time.
  • Darknesswon
    614 posts Member
    edited July 2018
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it

    Yes, you don't get it. That's ok. It will come in time.

    God i hope not , i hope they dont make this as bad as the matrix or as predictable as y'all want it to be.

    Edited for language. - EA_Cian
    Post edited by EA_Cian on
  • DuneSeaFarmer
    3026 posts Member
    edited July 2018
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  • kalidor wrote: »
    kalidor wrote: »
    kalidor wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Kelarn wrote: »
    I just want to know why (after Carrie passed), Rian didn't have the foresight to change the ending of the movie and keep Luke alive to carry IX in her place. Guess Rey is single handedly taking out the Knights of Ren (if they ever show up).

    Because Rian is a terrible writer/director who should've never been allowed anywhere near something as big as Star Wars that's clearly way over his head.

    There are several writers that have been used for the last 4 movies, Perhaps they should've streamlined the process and gone with the best one? but I guess there was no way to know until after the scripts were written and the movies made.

    Mark Hamill knew. He started complaining about the script the second he got it.

    But he still was in it. Personally, if I was Mark, I would have bailed. But maybe money...

    Contract obligation, more likely. They probably signed him for the new trilogy. He did TFA, and by the time he saw the script for TLJ, it was probably more trouble to get out of than it was worth.

    But I see his point - the main thing that really bothered me about the movie was that Luke was intending, if even for a second, to kill his nephew - Han and Leia's son. I can forgive spacewalk leia, and even the pretty awful Canto bit (ffwd ftw). But Luke considering murder of a child (?) is just way too out of character. I think it could have been handled in a much better way - such as Luke threatening to expel Ben, Ben leaving, then coming back later with the knights of ren after taking up as Snoke's apprentice. The way it was done in the movie was way too heavy handed.

    How do we know we can trust Kylo's story? Perhaps it was a fabrication to justify his actions.

    Because Luke himself later confirmed it in his second recounting of the events.

    I will have to double check that. I don't remember Luke telling the story again. That would change my perspective. Luke was supposed to represent the light side in a dark galaxy.
    But maybe they're blending in the original story, where Luke joins the dark side, taking Vader's place at the end of ROTJ.

    Kylo's telling to Rey definitely shows a more rabid looking Luke, but Luke admitted to Rey after she found out that he did indeed have the thought to kill Kylo for a split second. I still have a hard time believing that Luke would choose that solution, even for a moment, after such a huge leap of faith with Vader in RotJ. (I'm in the the "generally liked the movie" camp, btw). The rest of the movies flaws I can generally write off, but that one sticks with me.

    It's one of my big ones, and I liked LJ more than FA. It goes back to psychology, we are naturally predispose to believing a good guy and that the bad guy always lies, that's why Yoda had to confirm Vader was Luke's father. Vader was the bad guy and couldn't be trusted.

    Like ben telling luke his dad waa dead , doh. Unless you mean obi won was bad ? Stop trying to make everything black and white , there is gray everywhere. Even in luke. And just because he sensed the good in vader and didnt in kylo should tell yall something.

    I'm not, that was what Lucas was told by child psychologists.
  • EA_Cian
    971 posts EA Staff (retired)
    Let's tone it down folks, people have different takes on the trilogies and what makes 'em bad and/or good, so let's just be mindful of how we talk to each other about our differences of opinions.
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it

    I never said the Matrix trilogy was good - all said was that it adhered to basic story writing where a trilogy of a continuing story is involved. The Star Wars sequel trilogy is clearly (and as a matter of fact, because it has been stated) are making it up as they go along - Ruin Johnson had creative control over TLJ, it was his personal star wars movie - so my wants, like many people who are upset with TLJ, outweigh a selfish manbaby director's childish desires at destroying a franchise.

    As for wanting the Star Wars sequel trilogy to be as bad as the Matrix - that is not possible. The Matrix trilogy now clearly outshines this abomination of a star wars trilogy and we haven't even got the 3rd movie yet! lol

    Don't get me wrong - I am hopeful JJ can turn it around, but realistically, I am not sure he can.
  • JJ is going to bring back jar jar and save the trilogy!
  • ...
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it

    I never said the Matrix trilogy was good - all said was that it adhered to basic story writing where a trilogy of a continuing story is involved. The Star Wars sequel trilogy is clearly (and as a matter of fact, because it has been stated) are making it up as they go along - Ruin Johnson had creative control over TLJ, it was his personal star wars movie - so my wants, like many people who are upset with TLJ, outweigh a selfish manbaby director's childish desires at destroying a franchise.

    As for wanting the Star Wars sequel trilogy to be as bad as the Matrix - that is not possible. The Matrix trilogy now clearly outshines this abomination of a star wars trilogy and we haven't even got the 3rd movie yet! lol

    Don't get me wrong - I am hopeful JJ can turn it around, but realistically, I am not sure he can.

    He has publically said he sees nothing needing fixing. He was the Executive Producer for TLJ.
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  • ...
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it

    I never said the Matrix trilogy was good - all said was that it adhered to basic story writing where a trilogy of a continuing story is involved. The Star Wars sequel trilogy is clearly (and as a matter of fact, because it has been stated) are making it up as they go along - Ruin Johnson had creative control over TLJ, it was his personal star wars movie - so my wants, like many people who are upset with TLJ, outweigh a selfish manbaby director's childish desires at destroying a franchise.

    As for wanting the Star Wars sequel trilogy to be as bad as the Matrix - that is not possible. The Matrix trilogy now clearly outshines this abomination of a star wars trilogy and we haven't even got the 3rd movie yet! lol

    Don't get me wrong - I am hopeful JJ can turn it around, but realistically, I am not sure he can.

    He has publically said he sees nothing needing fixing. He was the Executive Producer for TLJ.

    What if JJ was Jar Jar?
  • ...
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it

    I never said the Matrix trilogy was good - all said was that it adhered to basic story writing where a trilogy of a continuing story is involved. The Star Wars sequel trilogy is clearly (and as a matter of fact, because it has been stated) are making it up as they go along - Ruin Johnson had creative control over TLJ, it was his personal star wars movie - so my wants, like many people who are upset with TLJ, outweigh a selfish manbaby director's childish desires at destroying a franchise.

    As for wanting the Star Wars sequel trilogy to be as bad as the Matrix - that is not possible. The Matrix trilogy now clearly outshines this abomination of a star wars trilogy and we haven't even got the 3rd movie yet! lol

    Don't get me wrong - I am hopeful JJ can turn it around, but realistically, I am not sure he can.

    He has publically said he sees nothing needing fixing. He was the Executive Producer for TLJ.

    What if JJ was Jar Jar?

    Do you have proof he isn't?
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  • ...
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Actually, if Abrams does not expand upon Johnson's reveal of Rey's parents - that is all Rey is as well.

    An anomaly created by the force to balance itself against the likes of Kylo Ren. Without the force deciding it needed a champion to do so, Rey is nothing. She has not earned her power at all - it was just the will of the force.

    Which I still think is lame.

    So be
    Boo wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    Why does she have to be related to anyone to be strong in the force

    Because Rey's parents were specifically highlighted in Force Awakens, therefore, "nobody's" is an insufficient answer. One of the MANY results of Kathleen Kennedy not planning a narrative for the sequels.

    Highlighted by who ?

    The movie. Remember when they made multiple mentions to her parents, and made sure when you excited the theater, your 2 biggest questions were "Who are Rey's parents?", and "Who is Snoke?".

    You mean they mentioned that an orphan ,the main character mind you , wondered who her parents were, omg , thats just so outrageous. Why would an orphan wonder who their parents were smh, has there ever been a movie with an orphan as a main character that didnt care about where they came from.
    And if the first movie of a trilogy left you with questions , then it did its job. Thats what they are supposed to do smh. If they answer everything in the first 2 why watch anymore lmao

    Oliver Twist (one of the greatest orphan movies ever told) didn't question where he was from. He was an orphan and accepted it - just turned out at the end he wasn't an orphan and was an heir to a rich family.

    Most trilogy story arcs do follow this path:

    1st movie - sets up scene and tone of story and asks questions;

    2nd movie - continues story arc and answers questions posed in 1st movie

    3rd movie - ends the story and the audience gets to see how all the information they have been given in the first 2 movies plays out.

    Johnson has said this time and time again - he made a movie for himself, it was very much a personal movie for him and worked on TLJ with blinders on, purposefully ignoring what the audience wants and what TFA had set up for him.

    He also went on to say (in an earlier statement) that he thinks the best movie a director can make is when 50% of the audience loves your movie and 50% hate it. He says it creates debate and interest in the movie.

    This is fine for a starting director to do in a stand alone, proposed cult following type movie - like Napoleon Dynamite or something - but to do this in the middle of a star wars trilogy is just wrong.

    Kennedy should have seen this. It was her job to make star wars successful and make lots of money for Disney that just spent $4.5B on the franchise - not shatter the fanbase. It is all her fault as much as it is the Man-Baby Johnson's.

    You all have such short memories , empire left as many questions or more than hope. Its the grass in greener syndrome , everything older was better. Oh well no pleasing some ppl. If they had done everything yall say , you would complain about that , how unoriginal, cant they come up with something new.

    Vader told Luke the truth - the biggest reveal in movie history. Fans were all like ****!!!! but he told the truth.

    ROTJ again was the third installment how the story ended with all answers in previous movies met. You have a short memory indeed if you cannot remember correctly what I posted.

    this was also true for the Matrix trilogy (not a perfect trilogy by any means) but the 2nd movie revealed Neo was not important at all - just an anomaly the system created in trying to correct itself and he is trying to break the mold in the 3rd act.

    Just because a villian says something doesnt make it true lmfao, and as for your other complaint. So because this doesn't follow some arbitrary trilogy methodology you want , its no good. WOW , just WOW. and comparing it to the matrix trilogy , lmao thats what you want a trilogy that bad ? I dont get it

    I never said the Matrix trilogy was good - all said was that it adhered to basic story writing where a trilogy of a continuing story is involved. The Star Wars sequel trilogy is clearly (and as a matter of fact, because it has been stated) are making it up as they go along - Ruin Johnson had creative control over TLJ, it was his personal star wars movie - so my wants, like many people who are upset with TLJ, outweigh a selfish manbaby director's childish desires at destroying a franchise.

    As for wanting the Star Wars sequel trilogy to be as bad as the Matrix - that is not possible. The Matrix trilogy now clearly outshines this abomination of a star wars trilogy and we haven't even got the 3rd movie yet! lol

    Don't get me wrong - I am hopeful JJ can turn it around, but realistically, I am not sure he can.

    He has publically said he sees nothing needing fixing. He was the Executive Producer for TLJ.

    What if JJ was Jar Jar?

    Do you have proof he isn't?

    I've never seen both in the same room at the same time, and I would like to think I'm smarter than the average Batman/ Superman side character.
  • I've never seen both in the same room at the same time, and I would like to think I'm smarter than the average Batman/ Superman side character.

    Holy innuendo Batman!

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  • nQthing
    86 posts Member
    edited September 2018
    Star Wars IX: kylo is basically the ‘Brother’ and Rey is basically the ‘sister’ pure dark and light type thing(clone wars). To set balance to the force they will marry and go to the outer rim to a isolated planet and live alone

    Star Wars X-XI: it will be 20 years later when kylos love for Rey puts a imbalance in force and he who was dark becomes light. And the dark side of the force will manifest a baby back in the inner rim and will start the whole thing over

    Star Wars XII: jar jar binks comes in and says “misa misa I Sith Lord”

    Your welcome

    Edited for content. Forums aren't the place to talk about drugs. - EA_Cian
    Post edited by EA_Cian on
  • nQthing wrote: »
    Star Wars IX: kylo is basically the ‘Brother’ and Rey is basically the ‘sister’ pure dark and light type thing(clone wars). To set balance to the force they will marry and go to the outer rim to a isolated planet and live alone

    Jacen & Jaina Solo

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  • Rey doesn't have to be related to anyone. We need a jedi that isn't related to a previous jedi.
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    swgohfan1 wrote: »
    Rey doesn't have to be related to anyone. We need a jedi that isn't related to a previous jedi.

    Yes but the character of Rey is lore breaking if not a Skywalker - here is why:

    * Anakin was born from the force itself. He is like Jesus if the Force is like God - that explains why he is the most powerful force user in the galaxy...ever! (side note: he never reaches full potential re: knowledge of force as well as crippling suit - but raw power is there).
    * Anakin has children - again from the bloodline of the force itself... Luke, Leia and eventually Ben/Kylo
    * Rey comes along and is more powerful than Kylo or at the very least his equal (although she has beaten him multiple times already).
    * Anakin himself spent years training under Jedi and Sith. Luke trained for a long time with Kenobi and Yoda collectively as well as refining what he had learned. They both had several failings, such as losing duels and limbs.
    * Rey has no training and no failings and never loses at anything. She is proficient and powerful for the sake of being proficient and powerful.
    * If Rey is the force's answer to balance the light in contrast with her "equal" in the dark (Kylo) then the force has the ability to directly balance itself - therefore: What was the point of the prophecy of the chsen one and Anakin being able to balance the force???

    The only true way we could have had a Jedi hero not being related to the skywalkers and create a whole new story is if the skywalker bloodline ends and new force users arise - then the playing field is reset. But this has not happened.

    At the very least new Jedi or force users should require some form of training, rather than just being overly powerful etc for the sake of it.
  • DatBoi
    3572 posts Member
    The character of Rey has many issues, but I fail to see how her strength in the force is “lore breaking”. None of those statements you made dictates that anybody who is a strong Jedi needs to come from some lineage of other strong Jedi.

    Star Wars has always had the plot device of “person has lots of innate strength and struggles to control it”. I don’t see why that is suddenly some lore breaking issue.

    I’d like to point out that people seem to think that Rey easily kicked Kylo’s rear at the end of TFA, which is far from the truth. Go back and watch it. Yes, she manages to survive and eventually cut him a bit, but most of the time she’s running away in fear. Kylo loses because he underestimates her, a point that’s driven home in TLJ.
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    DatBoi wrote: »
    The character of Rey has many issues, but I fail to see how her strength in the force is “lore breaking”. None of those statements you made dictates that anybody who is a strong Jedi needs to come from some lineage of other strong Jedi.

    Star Wars has always had the plot device of “person has lots of innate strength and struggles to control it”. I don’t see why that is suddenly some lore breaking issue.

    I’d like to point out that people seem to think that Rey easily kicked Kylo’s rear at the end of TFA, which is far from the truth. Go back and watch it. Yes, she manages to survive and eventually cut him a bit, but most of the time she’s running away in fear. Kylo loses because he underestimates her, a point that’s driven home in TLJ.

    You have missed the point then dear friend.

    I am not saying a strong force user cannot come from anywhere - indeed force users such as Palpatine, Yoda, Windu & Kenobi came from somewhere of obviously little genetic importance.

    My point is that when the Force created Anakin - the personified version of the force with a power never charted before in any force user - he genetic code and bloodline are paramount.

    I am saying Rey being a powerful jedi is possible, but compared to that bloodline it just isn't. So there lies the issue.

    The only logical loophole to this (I believe I mentioned to you before, long before TLJ was released) is that Rey's power is at a level only because the force itself wills it so.

    According to Snoke, the light rises to meet the dark, as Kylo's power grew his equal in the light would as well. This is indicative of the force balancing itself - which brings me back to the point of Anakin in the first place - his entire being only existed to balance the force.

    If the force can balance itself, it makes the whole creation of Anakin pointless and therefore undermines the entire PT as well as the OT. Hence this "loophole" is also lore breaking.

    Know what I mean?
  • DatBoi
    3572 posts Member
    I think I understand what you mean (according to some arbitrary prophecy we know nothing about, anakin is the most powerful force user ever so if his injured, erratic, and cocky grandson is bested by someone unrelated, then Rian Johnson is a monster, got it), but all I can say is that you’re taking some nitpicky lore things way too seriously. Star Wars has always been one of the most inconsistent fictional universes and complaining about a minor discrepancy between two films made almost two decades apart is pretty pointless. If that kind of stuff is what matters to you the most, you should be roasting the prequels instead of the ST.

    For me, the quality of Rey and Kylo’s characters and their relationship supercedes any obligations for consistency with a terrible, cliche, underdeveloped plot device in an equally terrible film from 1999.
  • JuliusSkywalker
    480 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    AhnaldT101 revealed it. Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren are falling in love:



    :o
  • Boo
    3454 posts Member
    DatBoi wrote: »
    I think I understand what you mean (according to some arbitrary prophecy we know nothing about, anakin is the most powerful force user ever so if his injured, erratic, and cocky grandson is bested by someone unrelated, then Rian Johnson is a monster, got it), but all I can say is that you’re taking some nitpicky lore things way too seriously. Star Wars has always been one of the most inconsistent fictional universes and complaining about a minor discrepancy between two films made almost two decades apart is pretty pointless. If that kind of stuff is what matters to you the most, you should be roasting the prequels instead of the ST.

    For me, the quality of Rey and Kylo’s characters and their relationship supercedes any obligations for consistency with a terrible, cliche, underdeveloped plot device in an equally terrible film from 1999.

    Calm down (Rian is a monster for many reasons, lol). I wouldn't say the lore is has been one of the most inconsistent fictional universes - except since TLJ came along that is.

    It was hyped up and stated that Anakin/Vader was all powerful and therefore his 2 children alone had the power and only hope at restoring peace to the galaxy.

    Following that logic - anyone can pick up a lightsaber, without any training, and best a Skywalker time and time again just because?

    No point you have made argues against that very lore breaking notion.
  • Just to add a few pennies to the complaint bucket here, and to toss a few blind musings:

    1 - (Pre-Disney and not sure if the book is Canon as it's a "visual companion" style) - Episode 3 originally had a scene where Palpatine explains to Anakin that he influenced the midi-chlorians to create Anakin. A page from the original script is shown with the entire exchange. If it's considered Canon then Palpatine created Anakin to trick the Jedi into thinking he was the "Chosen One" and hypothetically Rey could turn out to actually be the real prophetic one. She brings balance by removing the Jedi and Sith altogether and bringing about an age where there isn't either: true balance.

    2 - Snoke specifically stated in this Throne Room confrontation with Kylo and Rey that: A - he orchestrated their mental connection, B - he controlled exactly what they saw in their visions of each other. Hence Kylo saying he knows Rey's parents are drunk junk traders/nobody is exactly what Snoke needed him to tell Rey to try and coerce her to the Dark Side but he overplayed his hand. (And half his torso, etc)

    3 - Furthering point 2 - We have no idea who Rey's parents are. As Abrams has taken over EP 9, I'm sure we'll get more of his fantastic [/sarcasm] "mystery box" baloney (ref. Lost, ref. Cloverfield, ref. Cloverfield Lane, ref. Anything he touches). However; Rian specifically left the door open for Rey's parents to be revealed in a Shyamalan-esque twist.
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