Star Wars: The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

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  • I think at this point, the only way to save the franchise is to license other studios to develop SW movies, even if only from the "Legends" universe. Lucasfilm has it at their fingers tips and refuses to give the public what it wants. They simply flat out refuse. I think (sadly) even a complete failure won't even help. I don't doubt they will go down in flames before admitting they were wrong. Stop the "Fake news" reasons and just say, ok, we goofed. How do we fix this. and then fold their hands... AND LISTEN!

    Bob Iger has admitted he made mistakes. He said it was his fault that they rushed movies out and that they will be slowing down production. This will give them more time to work on a story and to flesh out their characters

    They didn't really flesh out characters and develop a story for LJ and FA. I think they wrote details about the originals on scraps of paper and pulled them from a hat.
  • Boo
    3184 posts Member
    I think at this point, the only way to save the franchise is to license other studios to develop SW movies, even if only from the "Legends" universe. Lucasfilm has it at their fingers tips and refuses to give the public what it wants. They simply flat out refuse. I think (sadly) even a complete failure won't even help. I don't doubt they will go down in flames before admitting they were wrong. Stop the "Fake news" reasons and just say, ok, we goofed. How do we fix this. and then fold their hands... AND LISTEN!

    Bob Iger has admitted he made mistakes. He said it was his fault that they rushed movies out and that they will be slowing down production. This will give them more time to work on a story and to flesh out their characters

    They didn't really flesh out characters and develop a story for LJ and FA. I think they wrote details about the originals on scraps of paper and pulled them from a hat.

    Its been described as a relay race of directors. Johnson (although stole the plot of ANH basically) set things up and past the relay onto Johnson - there was no direction. At least in a relay race the overall goal is to finish the race - Johnson took the baton and threw it away then fell flat on his face. JJ is picking the baton back up and is trying to get to the finish line.

    Not sure if he can do it and be successful.

    The point is there is no overall story arc - they are making this up as they go. Even rushing out movies, you'd think they would have an overall direction of where they want this trilogy to go, at least the overall big picture story and then spend time on the details of which per movie - what we got is complete illogical nonsense.
  • There wasn't much of a story arc to the OT either. Lucas didn't even know if Harrison Ford would come back for RotJ so he froze him in Carbonite at the end of ESB. Easy explanation for no Solo in Jedi...

    They made it up as they went along. I'm sure Lucas had plenty in his head for overall Galaxy lore, etc. But the actual story meat-and-potatoes that we all love was done movie-to-movie and even during production they massively changed things.

    Ewoks were going to be lizard-like and creepy but Lucas himself changed it so they could sell more toys.

    Solo was supposed to die in the "Harrison signed on for one more" storyline for RotJ. Lucas again felt toy sales would be affected.

    He modified so much of the story over the six years because of how much money he made off New Hope merchandising.
  • Vendi1983 wrote: »
    There wasn't much of a story arc to the OT either. Lucas didn't even know if Harrison Ford would come back for RotJ so he froze him in Carbonite at the end of ESB. Easy explanation for no Solo in Jedi...

    They made it up as they went along. I'm sure Lucas had plenty in his head for overall Galaxy lore, etc. But the actual story meat-and-potatoes that we all love was done movie-to-movie and even during production they massively changed things.

    Ewoks were going to be lizard-like and creepy but Lucas himself changed it so they could sell more toys.

    Solo was supposed to die in the "Harrison signed on for one more" storyline for RotJ. Lucas again felt toy sales would be affected.

    He modified so much of the story over the six years because of how much money he made off New Hope merchandising.

    But it did flow easier than the new ones.
  • Boo
    3184 posts Member
    Vendi1983 wrote: »
    There wasn't much of a story arc to the OT either. Lucas didn't even know if Harrison Ford would come back for RotJ so he froze him in Carbonite at the end of ESB. Easy explanation for no Solo in Jedi...

    They made it up as they went along. I'm sure Lucas had plenty in his head for overall Galaxy lore, etc. But the actual story meat-and-potatoes that we all love was done movie-to-movie and even during production they massively changed things.

    Ewoks were going to be lizard-like and creepy but Lucas himself changed it so they could sell more toys.

    Solo was supposed to die in the "Harrison signed on for one more" storyline for RotJ. Lucas again felt toy sales would be affected.

    He modified so much of the story over the six years because of how much money he made off New Hope merchandising.

    There was a story arc for the OT to the point where it was to big he split it all up into 6 movies (including the PT) the story was lose but was there, the devil in the details were not all fully fleshed out.

    He convinced Solo to return for ROTJ, but overall the story could have progressed without his character if needed - the main story (which Lucas has always said Star Wars was about) is the Skywalker family.

    The entire story OT and PT is about the fall and redemption of Anakin/Vader. It was a story of good over evil and love. This new ST has nothing to it - hot garbage.
  • Boo wrote: »
    Vendi1983 wrote: »
    There wasn't much of a story arc to the OT either. Lucas didn't even know if Harrison Ford would come back for RotJ so he froze him in Carbonite at the end of ESB. Easy explanation for no Solo in Jedi...

    They made it up as they went along. I'm sure Lucas had plenty in his head for overall Galaxy lore, etc. But the actual story meat-and-potatoes that we all love was done movie-to-movie and even during production they massively changed things.

    Ewoks were going to be lizard-like and creepy but Lucas himself changed it so they could sell more toys.

    Solo was supposed to die in the "Harrison signed on for one more" storyline for RotJ. Lucas again felt toy sales would be affected.

    He modified so much of the story over the six years because of how much money he made off New Hope merchandising.

    There was a story arc for the OT to the point where it was to big he split it all up into 6 movies (including the PT) the story was lose but was there, the devil in the details were not all fully fleshed out.

    He convinced Solo to return for ROTJ, but overall the story could have progressed without his character if needed - the main story (which Lucas has always said Star Wars was about) is the Skywalker family.

    The entire story OT and PT is about the fall and redemption of Anakin/Vader. It was a story of good over evil and love. This new ST has nothing to it - hot garbage.

    But if you could tell us how you feel about it, what would you say ... lol ;)
  • Boo
    3184 posts Member
    On the plus side - if Solo died and did not return for ROTJ, we may not have Kylo Ren :wink:
  • Boo wrote: »
    On the plus side - if Solo died and did not return for ROTJ, we may not have Kylo Ren :wink:

    WIN/WIN to me.. No offense Adam, but man you were/are the victim of HORRIBLE writing.
  • Boo wrote: »
    On the plus side - if Solo died and did not return for ROTJ, we may not have Kylo Ren :wink:

    WIN/WIN to me.. No offense Adam, but man you were/are the victim of HORRIBLE writing.

    Just proves that you can't out-act the script.
  • DuneSeaFarmer
    1638 posts Member
    edited October 31
    Now I understand why shortly after TFA was released, Daisy said she would fulfill her contract but had no interest in continuing after sw9. She knew it was dreck..
  • Now I understand why shortly after TFA was released, Daisy said she would fulfill her contract but had no interest in continuing after sw9. She knew it was dreck..

    Like so many actors, who don't want to be known by just one movie role. Who could blame her, or the rest of them.
  • Now I understand why shortly after TFA was released, Daisy said she would fulfill her contract but had no interest in continuing after sw9. She knew it was dreck..

    Like so many actors, who don't want to be known by just one movie role. Who could blame her, or the rest of them.

    Yep, it's a job to them, on to the next.
  • They are really doing all they can to draw an audience. Dominic will bring LOTR fans, Matt Smith will bring Doctor Who fans..
  • They are really doing all they can to draw an audience. Dominic will bring LOTR fans, Matt Smith will bring Doctor Who fans..

    Maybe George Lucas will bring SW fans? lol. I'm sure he was given up.
  • Now I understand why shortly after TFA was released, Daisy said she would fulfill her contract but had no interest in continuing after sw9. She knew it was dreck..

    "I think everyone has perhaps taken that as me going, 'I don't want anything to do with it,' which is vastly untrue because this is awesome."

    But sure, she thinks it's dreck. Right.

    http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/news/a844550/star-wars-the-last-jedi-daisy-ridley-quit-leave/
  • DuneSeaFarmer
    1638 posts Member
    edited December 16
    2 out of 3 ain't bad - Meatloaf (This is written on the premise we actually like SW9)

    Fandom we can talk all night
    But that ain't gettin' us nowhere
    We told you everything that we possibly can
    There's nothing left inside to say..

    And maybe we can cry all night
    But that'll never change the movies now
    The hate is really piling up outside
    We wish you wouldn't keep it going
    We poured it on and we typed it out
    We tried to show you just how much we care
    We're tired of words and we're too hoarse to shout
    But you've been so cold to us for so long,
    We're crying icicles instead of tears..

    And all we can do is keep on telling you

    We want to like them, you say we need them,
    But-there ain't no way we're ever gonna love them..
    Now don't be sad
    'Cause two out of three ain't bad
    Now don't be sad
    'Cause two out of three ain't bad
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  • 2 out of 3 ain't bad - Meatloaf (This is written on the premise we actually like SW9)

    Fandom we can talk all night
    But that ain't gettin' us nowhere
    We told you everything that we possibly can
    There's nothing left inside to say..

    And maybe we can cry all night
    But that'll never change the movies now
    The hate is really piling up outside
    We wish you wouldn't keep it going
    We poured it on and we typed it out
    We tried to show you just how much we care
    We're tired of words and we're too hoarse to shout
    But you've been so cold to us for so long,
    We're crying icicles instead of tears..

    And all we can do is keep on telling you

    We want to like the new movies, you say we need the new movies,
    But-there ain't no way we're ever gonna love them..
    Now don't be sad
    'Cause two out of three ain't bad
    Now don't be sad
    'Cause two out of three ain't bad

    I would do anything for love... But I won't do that.
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