Star Wars: The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

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  • Nihion wrote: »
    I think I’ve cooled down enough to post here.

    I’ve seen the TLJ 2.5 times. I was so excited in the months leading up to it. I mean, the hype was on another level. Of course, my family saw it opening weekend. I went into the movie feeling great, and ready for Star Wars to change forever. At the end of the movie, I was completely and utterly disappointed.

    I was shocked at my feeling of pure distaste with an addition to my favorite franchise of all time. I was not around to see the OT or the prequels in theaters, and I enjoyed the Clone Wars, TFA, and Rogue One dearly. They never failed to intrigue me. So you can imagine my unease at being so let down with my initial viewing of TLJ.

    I had no idea why I didn’t like it. I just couldn’t get a grasp of it. I figured that the new themes and story was beyond me and that you had to be a truly invested fan to enjoy it. I thought it was just me. As it turns out, however, half of the world seemed disappointed as well. And the answers as to why it was so disappointing to some and a wonderful movie to others were widely disputed and ultimately, a mystery. So I went to see the movie again with friends.

    This time, I was a different kind of disappointed. I realized what got me the first time: The overhype. There was too much weight on this movies shoulders after so much marketing, and I was ready for a truly groundbreaking reveal at the end. But the second time, I began to realize just how many theories were shot down, and how lame the movie made the saga look. It felt like seeing an Avengers movie where all the heroes get old and give up. Then a new one strolls in and seems invincible...

    Due to my dislike for the movie as a whole, I picked certain new elements to despise, such as the new characters. I took out my anger on Rose and Holdo, and while I still find Rose as edgy and foolish, Holdo was actually a decent addition. I hated the themes, I hated the planets, I hated the Porgs.

    Naturally, I stayed as far away from the film as I could. It was too much for me to take in. I mean what happens now? How do you fix a broken fan base? So I went and saw Solo, and like every other Star Wars film before TLJ, I came out satisfied and hungry for more. You can chalk this up to my skeptical and low expectations, but overall I really enjoyed the film. Thus, I forgot TLJ and moved on.

    Towards the end of 2018, I found my father on Netflix half way through TLJ. I decided to sit down and give it another chance. To my great surprise, I was less disappointed at the end. Granted, I missed most of the Finn/Rose endeavor and sad Luke, I still came out of it happier than before.

    Now, The Rise Of Skywalker trailer is out. And I’m beginning to appreciate TLJ more and more. Maybe it set up so something greater than itself. Maybe it wasn’t as damaging as I thought. The fan theories are back after a dry spell, and it seems as though we got over the mess.

    So I ask you: How many chances have you given this new trilogy? Does it deserve more than 1? What has it introduced? What will be its legacy? Does it really have that much to do with the first 2 trilogies? Where do we go from here?

    But most importantly: Will we have to be disappointed again to accept the changes that the new film brings? Is that what TLJ was preparing us for? How are my kids, and their kids going to view the saga that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away?

    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad
  • LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    Luke celebrating the Rebel victory
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  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Many Bothans died...
  • Nihion wrote: »
    Many Bothans died...

    So did the sith... allegedly
  • chron
    89 posts Member
    edited October 23
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    And that’s why the new kids on the block like the prequels, and they are not wrong. They just have a different opinion, and growing up with CGI movies makes everything much better.
  • Boo
    3595 posts Member
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    I can't really say I enjoy a poorly written film.
  • Boo
    3595 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    I can't really say I enjoy a poorly written film.

    Poor script isn’t everything. If you can’t look past one thing, how will you enjoy anything?

    Truthfully, the sequel trilogy isn’t bad to fresh eyes. But OT fans refuse to like the films. It’s just natural.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    I can't really say I enjoy a poorly written film.

    Poor script isn’t everything. If you can’t look past one thing, how will you enjoy anything?

    Truthfully, the sequel trilogy isn’t bad to fresh eyes. But OT fans refuse to like the films. It’s just natural.

    I respectfully disagree. You can have the best actors in the world, and if they have a crappy script to go off of, the movie is going to be hot garbage. There are lists on the internet dedicated to this topic.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    I can't really say I enjoy a poorly written film.

    Poor script isn’t everything. If you can’t look past one thing, how will you enjoy anything?

    Truthfully, the sequel trilogy isn’t bad to fresh eyes. But OT fans refuse to like the films. It’s just natural.

    I respectfully disagree. You can have the best actors in the world, and if they have a crappy script to go off of, the movie is going to be hot garbage. There are lists on the internet dedicated to this topic.

    To be fair, the script is bad. But there are still people who enjoy the movie.

    I didn’t like TLJ. I was looking for completely different things than I was given, but it doesn’t make it a terrible movie.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    I can't really say I enjoy a poorly written film.

    Poor script isn’t everything. If you can’t look past one thing, how will you enjoy anything?

    Truthfully, the sequel trilogy isn’t bad to fresh eyes. But OT fans refuse to like the films. It’s just natural.

    I respectfully disagree. You can have the best actors in the world, and if they have a crappy script to go off of, the movie is going to be hot garbage. There are lists on the internet dedicated to this topic.

    To be fair, the script is bad. But there are still people who enjoy the movie.

    I didn’t like TLJ. I was looking for completely different things than I was given, but it doesn’t make it a terrible movie.

    There will always be that group of people who say it is not that bad. I even enjoyed Battleship, but more from a it is so bad, that it's good standpoint.

    The disappointing thing, and what a lot of people feel, is that this movie in particular, could have been way better. As to it making it a terrible movie, personal perspective is a factor. Just kinda pathetic that for a 2.5 hour movie, one was forced to sit through an hour and forty-five minutes of crap.
  • Boo
    3595 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    I can't really say I enjoy a poorly written film.

    Poor script isn’t everything. If you can’t look past one thing, how will you enjoy anything?

    Truthfully, the sequel trilogy isn’t bad to fresh eyes. But OT fans refuse to like the films. It’s just natural.

    I respectfully disagree. You can have the best actors in the world, and if they have a crappy script to go off of, the movie is going to be hot garbage. There are lists on the internet dedicated to this topic.

    To be fair, the script is bad. But there are still people who enjoy the movie.

    I didn’t like TLJ. I was looking for completely different things than I was given, but it doesn’t make it a terrible movie.

    There will always be that group of people who say it is not that bad. I even enjoyed Battleship, but more from a it is so bad, that it's good standpoint.

    The disappointing thing, and what a lot of people feel, is that this movie in particular, could have been way better. As to it making it a terrible movie, personal perspective is a factor. Just kinda pathetic that for a 2.5 hour movie, one was forced to sit through an hour and forty-five minutes of crap.

    Of course it could have been better, but the entire point of the movie was to make you think about what the fan base wants, and how playing to that can be dangerous. A lot of hard core fans haven’t seen that yet, and that is why we are seeing a divide between fans and the general audience.
  • Boo
    3595 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.

    Yet most fans look back on the PT and realize it wasn't as bad as they thought since watching the ST.

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.
  • Jarvind
    2898 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.

    This must be one of those "alternative facts" that's all the rage these days.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.

    Yet most fans look back on the PT and realize it wasn't as bad as they thought since watching the ST.

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.

    For you - not for some. Disney will probably change their tactics soon because of The Last Jedi; but that’s only if they listen to the Internet whiners and their money. Their decisions have nothing to do with quality.
  • Boo
    3595 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.

    Yet most fans look back on the PT and realize it wasn't as bad as they thought since watching the ST.

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.

    For you - not for some. Disney will probably change their tactics soon because of The Last Jedi; but that’s only if they listen to the Internet whiners and their money. Their decisions have nothing to do with quality.

    Dude - TLJ fractured the fanbase and Star Wars has been losing money across the board ever since - That never happened with the PT.

    Its not just "internet whiners" its literally at least half the fanbase of the franchise, lol.

    That is fact, like it or don't, that's the truth.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.

    Yet most fans look back on the PT and realize it wasn't as bad as they thought since watching the ST.

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.

    For you - not for some. Disney will probably change their tactics soon because of The Last Jedi; but that’s only if they listen to the Internet whiners and their money. Their decisions have nothing to do with quality.

    Dude - TLJ fractured the fanbase and Star Wars has been losing money across the board ever since - That never happened with the PT.

    Its not just "internet whiners" its literally at least half the fanbase of the franchise, lol.

    That is fact, like it or don't, that's the truth.

    No it’s not lol, you have presented no evidence for that. That’s opinion. The biggest difference between the ST and the PT is that the TLJ tried something new; every other Star Wars movie has the same build, the same characters, the same plot, the same themes. They had become predictable. So Johnson tried something new, not something bad, just new.
  • jawa7778
    122 posts Member
    edited November 8
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.

    Yet most fans look back on the PT and realize it wasn't as bad as they thought since watching the ST.

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.

    For you - not for some. Disney will probably change their tactics soon because of The Last Jedi; but that’s only if they listen to the Internet whiners and their money. Their decisions have nothing to do with quality.

    Dude - TLJ fractured the fanbase and Star Wars has been losing money across the board ever since - That never happened with the PT.

    Its not just "internet whiners" its literally at least half the fanbase of the franchise, lol.

    That is fact, like it or don't, that's the truth.

    No it’s not lol, you have presented no evidence for that. That’s opinion. The biggest difference between the ST and the PT is that the TLJ tried something new; every other Star Wars movie has the same build, the same characters, the same plot, the same themes. They had become predictable. So Johnson tried something new, not something bad, just new.

    Tried something new??? Hah, that's laughable. This entire trilogy has been a re-hash of the original trilogy. Random farm girl/boy on desert planet. Check. The Empire is back. Check. Stormtroopers with bad aim. Check. Star destroyers. Check. A planet that is white, but it's salt instead of snow. Wow so creative. Small rebel fleet that is fleeing from the big bad reborn Empire. Wow, it's not like they have an entire government called the New Republic to support them. Man, tried something new? Yeah definitely.

  • Boo
    3595 posts Member
    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.

    Yet most fans look back on the PT and realize it wasn't as bad as they thought since watching the ST.

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.

    For you - not for some. Disney will probably change their tactics soon because of The Last Jedi; but that’s only if they listen to the Internet whiners and their money. Their decisions have nothing to do with quality.

    Dude - TLJ fractured the fanbase and Star Wars has been losing money across the board ever since - That never happened with the PT.

    Its not just "internet whiners" its literally at least half the fanbase of the franchise, lol.

    That is fact, like it or don't, that's the truth.

    No it’s not lol, you have presented no evidence for that. That’s opinion. The biggest difference between the ST and the PT is that the TLJ tried something new; every other Star Wars movie has the same build, the same characters, the same plot, the same themes. They had become predictable. So Johnson tried something new, not something bad, just new.

    Tried something new??? Hah, that's laughable. This entire trilogy has been a re-hash of the original trilogy. Random farm girl/boy on desert planet. Check. The Empire is back. Check. Stormtroopers with bad aim. Check. Star destroyers. Check. A planet that is white, but it's salt instead of snow. Wow so creative. Small rebel fleet that is fleeing from the big bad reborn Empire. Wow, it's not like they have an entire government called the New Republic to support them. Man, tried something new? Yeah definitely.
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    LordDirt wrote: »
    chron wrote: »
    New question: What if ALL the Star Wars Movies had Rogue One's edge? There wasn't always a happily ever after each movie? Not debating they were good or bad, just what if?

    The only Saga movies to have happy endings are A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. The others' were either bittersweet or deviously "happy".

    Lot of people died blowing up the Death Star in ANH.
    Luke wasnt too happy his father died in RotJ.

    A New Hope: the greatest threat facing the galaxy was destroyed.
    Return of the Jedi: the galaxy is freed.
    My guess is your kids will see it as very very bad

    Future generation will be saved from the hype and will view it with fresh minds and hearts and zero expectations.

    zero expectations for the new generation over this sequel trilogy, especially TLJ, will never make them good movies. What is wrong with these movies will always carry forward.

    Yes the last generation enjoyed the PT but whenever the franchise needs to make money they always revert to OT content - another reason they flood the new ST with so much nostalgia.

    Where the PT fell short on what the OT were, the ST will always fall short against the PT and OT - the ST just isn't good and cannot compare.

    As for the "new" generation to which the ST is aimed at, merchandise sales are way down - no one likes them enough. Simple as that really.

    In 15 years everyone will hate the new trilogy, and the entire Skywalker Saga will be praised. The narrow minded mega OP fans will be too old to troll and complain. Films are getting worse; but it doesn’t make them any less enjoyable.

    Praised? I don't think so. The negative hype will die down, but they wont be "praised". The hatred the PT received has certainly lessened over the years, but no one really praises the PT, yet most people recognize the PT as superior over the ST any day.

    No one likes bad or poorly written stories, and that's what the ST is and always will be.

    That’s a very subjective analysis. And if the trend continues, they will be praised. If movies keep getting worse, then even our less liked films will be praised.

    Its not subjective - the prequel trilogy had its complaints but it didn't fracture an entire fanbase and make Lucasfilm take a step back to look at what they are doing wrong. The PT had a story arc that was connective throughout each movie - the ST does not, its just a big mess full of different people with different ideas with no overall story being told.

    Bad script is neither here nor there - every star wars movie has had a bad script generally speaking, but its story and characters is what brought the movies to life - again, something the ST is severely lacking.

    The PT didn’t split the fan base because everyone hated it; the sequel trilogy split the fan base because there was a divide.

    Yet most fans look back on the PT and realize it wasn't as bad as they thought since watching the ST.

    Like it or not the franchise has never been in such dire straits as it has been since TLJ - that's a fact.

    For you - not for some. Disney will probably change their tactics soon because of The Last Jedi; but that’s only if they listen to the Internet whiners and their money. Their decisions have nothing to do with quality.

    Dude - TLJ fractured the fanbase and Star Wars has been losing money across the board ever since - That never happened with the PT.

    Its not just "internet whiners" its literally at least half the fanbase of the franchise, lol.

    That is fact, like it or don't, that's the truth.

    No it’s not lol, you have presented no evidence for that. That’s opinion. The biggest difference between the ST and the PT is that the TLJ tried something new; every other Star Wars movie has the same build, the same characters, the same plot, the same themes. They had become predictable. So Johnson tried something new, not something bad, just new.

    Johnson didn't try anything new - more x-wings and tie fighters, another throne room saber fight, another hermit jedi, another scene of speeders against ATATs - ya he really gave us something new - don't make me laugh.

    Check out merchandise sales - action figures are in decline, most dollar stores have TLJ action figures for 50 cents or $1 - its a joke.

    Resistance show had poor reviews and fan feedback. Galaxy's Edge has been losing money, Solo flopped - it goes on and on and on - but ya, keep you head in the sand and keep claiming I am not producing any evidence - a simple google search will tell you everything I am saying.
  • LordDirt
    748 posts Member
    edited November 11
    The reason Galaxy’s Edge is not doing well is because they only opened one of the two rides. Wait until the second ride opens after the new movie releases.

    Solo didn’t do great but it made 120 million profit.
  • leef
    13180 posts Member
    this thread started in 2017
    Save water, drink champagne!
  • leef wrote: »
    this thread started in 2017

    The movie did release in 2017.

  • Boo
    3595 posts Member
    LordDirt wrote: »
    The reason Galaxy’s Edge is not doing well is because they only opened one of the two rides. Wait until the second ride opens after the new movie releases.

    Solo didn’t do great but it made 120 million profit.

    Solo flopped. There are a number of reasons Galaxy's Edge isn't doing well and the current state of star wars is a huge factor.

    Don't get me wrong - I though Solo was better than TLJ and I really want Galaxy's Edge to do well, as I realy want to take my kids when they are a little older to appreciate it.

    I don't want the franchise to fail - I love star wars and want to see it flourish with good merch, experiences, shows and movies, which is why TLJ and this ST takes so much flak, because a lot of the fans feel the same way.
  • TVF
    18022 posts Member
    leef wrote: »
    this thread started in 2017

    2016 was a fantastic year.
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