EP lead zeta question

Antares

Quick question:

The lead Zeta of Emperor Palpatine reads:

When a debuff on an enemy expires, Empire and Sith allies gain 5% Turn Meter

What does "expire" mean? Really only when a debuff expires, or also when it is cleansed. So, for example: I have shock on my toons from the EP Basic which lasts for three turns. Do the enemy Sith/Empire toons also gain TM when I cleanse it with GK/Rex/etc. or only when it expires after the three turns?

thanks!

Hskull55

Antares wrote: »

Quick question:

The lead Zeta of Emperor Palpatine reads:

When a debuff on an enemy expires, Empire and Sith allies gain 5% Turn Meter

What does "expire" mean? Really only when a debuff expires, or also when it is cleansed. So, for example: I have shock on my toons from the EP Basic which lasts for three turns. Do the enemy Sith/Empire toons also gain TM when I cleanse it with GK/Rex/etc. or only when it expires after the three turns?

thanks!

They will get 5%TM if it gets cleansed or dispelled (or if it expires).

scuba

Hskull55 wrote: »

Antares wrote: »

Quick question:

The lead Zeta of Emperor Palpatine reads:

When a debuff on an enemy expires, Empire and Sith allies gain 5% Turn Meter

What does "expire" mean? Really only when a debuff expires, or also when it is cleansed. So, for example: I have shock on my toons from the EP Basic which lasts for three turns. Do the enemy Sith/Empire toons also gain TM when I cleanse it with GK/Rex/etc. or only when it expires after the three turns?

thanks!

They will get 5%TM if it gets cleansed or dispelled (or if it expires).

Or die with the debuff

Antares

scuba wrote: »

Hskull55 wrote: »

Antares wrote: »

Quick question:

The lead Zeta of Emperor Palpatine reads:

When a debuff on an enemy expires, Empire and Sith allies gain 5% Turn Meter

What does "expire" mean? Really only when a debuff expires, or also when it is cleansed. So, for example: I have shock on my toons from the EP Basic which lasts for three turns. Do the enemy Sith/Empire toons also gain TM when I cleanse it with GK/Rex/etc. or only when it expires after the three turns?

thanks!

They will get 5%TM if it gets cleansed or dispelled (or if it expires).

Or die with the debuff

No. When they die, you don’t get TM

Nebulous

Antares wrote: »

scuba wrote: »

Hskull55 wrote: »

Antares wrote: »

Quick question:

The lead Zeta of Emperor Palpatine reads:

When a debuff on an enemy expires, Empire and Sith allies gain 5% Turn Meter

What does "expire" mean? Really only when a debuff expires, or also when it is cleansed. So, for example: I have shock on my toons from the EP Basic which lasts for three turns. Do the enemy Sith/Empire toons also gain TM when I cleanse it with GK/Rex/etc. or only when it expires after the three turns?

thanks!

They will get 5%TM if it gets cleansed or dispelled (or if it expires).

Or die with the debuff

No. When they die, you don’t get TM

Yes they do. If an opposing hero dies with 3 debuffs, there will be a 15% tm gain. Death is considered an expiration.

Antares

Nebulous wrote: »

Antares wrote: »

scuba wrote: »

Hskull55 wrote: »

Antares wrote: »

Quick question:

The lead Zeta of Emperor Palpatine reads:

When a debuff on an enemy expires, Empire and Sith allies gain 5% Turn Meter

What does "expire" mean? Really only when a debuff expires, or also when it is cleansed. So, for example: I have shock on my toons from the EP Basic which lasts for three turns. Do the enemy Sith/Empire toons also gain TM when I cleanse it with GK/Rex/etc. or only when it expires after the three turns?

thanks!

They will get 5%TM if it gets cleansed or dispelled (or if it expires).

Or die with the debuff

No. When they die, you don’t get TM

Yes they do. If an opposing hero dies with 3 debuffs, there will be a 15% tm gain. Death is considered an expiration.

How come that I have never seen that... hmmmm. Need to test this

Nebulous

I don't know. It easy to test if you have ep lead so you can control a death. Or if you can take video to watch the replay.

Antares

Ok. I was wrong, you actually do get TM. It was just not obvious to me since your TM bar moves after someone dies anyway.

Tenticled_Major02

Interesting. I didn't realise it worked like that.
I am about 3 days away from my next Zeta and has not considered EP lead as worth a Zeta. With this squad all 7* except Thrawn - EP lead (unique Z, G11), Vader (G12), GMT (unique Z G11), DN (G12) and Thrawn (6* G10) what would you zeta next? EP lead or either Vader, DN or Thrawn's uniques?
Any advice gratefully received.

Huatimus

I believe it also works when the debuff is over written. I.e. Opposing DV goes first and gets Health Down from my DN. After DV Force Crush, he will gain 100% TM and go next but gain Health Down again. The over written Health Down debuff will give my team 5% TM.

Goodgil

Debuffs expire when:
1) the listed duration listed in the ability that inflicted them is reached
2) when they are removed by an ally (including self) who uses an ability that dispels debuffs (commonly referred to as cleansing)
3) when attacked with an ability that dispels enemy debuffs (Vader's culling blade, Boba's execute)
4) when effected unit is defeated
For expose and stagger, they also expire when they are triggered.
All those methods will give EP TM. I've tested them all.

SpencersSocks

Palp lead is absolutely worth the zeta

Tenticled_Major02

I think I will Zeta EP as it sounds like a much better ability than I thought plus he can lead Sith & Empire teams . Thanks for the good clear explanations on this thread. If only everyone's posts could be like these!

Jedi6371

Tenticled_Major02 wrote: »

I think I will Zeta EP as it sounds like a much better ability than I thought plus he can lead Sith & Empire teams . Thanks for the good clear explanations on this thread. If only everyone's posts could be like these!

Both of EP’s zetas are priorities over Vader’s unique. Sion works great in that squad even at 4*. I’d zeta him after EP lead. Vader gets all the speed w/o the zeta so it didn’t add much to my squad.