Amilyn Holdo's zeta

Woodroward
3541 posts Member
edited April 2018
I do not feel this zeta has much value. I personally have invested in this zeta, and I did not notice a large increase in survivability for Holdo.

By the time her protection is gone she's already been taunting for a couple of turns, and the likelihood of someone spamming foresight on Holdo before the enemy takes 2-3 turns to give her a heal and save her from an untimely death is rather minimal.

Even if she did get some foresight, it will only heal her for about half of a hit. She does need something like a heal zeta for certain because she is just too squishy for a tank (absurdly low armor being the big problem), but it should really regenerate protection for her at the cost of a zeta. Just a heal is more of an omega quality trait.

Does surviving one more enemy attack sound like it is worth a zeta to you? Because as things stand, 0 more attacks is the normal (since it's only a heal on foresight dodge), 1 more attack if you're lucky enough to get foresight on Holdo while she's taunting. 2-3 if you're amazingly lucky and the taunt drops right then and the enemy attacks everyone else with foresight immediately after.

If it was protection regen, it would be active for a lot more of the match and justify the zeta investment. With just a heal, it's a very lackluster zeta trait. I would go so far as to say that no heal zeta that doesn't include protection is worth it. Nihilus's is part of an ability that turns protection into health so even that supports what I am saying.

So that's my spiel. Please consider adding protection regeneration to Holdo's zeta because as it is, it isn't much of a zeta in practice, though it sounds good in theory.

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  • Don't spend zetas on abilities that aren't good.
  • Woodroward
    3541 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Don't get me wrong. The crit avoidance is nice, but it's still less beneficial than the crit immunity GK and Shore give out with no zetas. The heal isn't as big as Barriss's zeta heal and doesn't proc nearly as often either.

    If it gave protection back, it would be a decent zeta ability. Not Op, just enough to actually make Holdo regularly survive 1-3 hits longer than if she didn't have it, as opposed to how it now makes her survive less than 1 turn longer on average.
  • scuba
    12142 posts Member
    Woodroward wrote: »
    I do not feel this zeta has much value. I personally have invested in this zeta, and I did not notice a large increase in survivability for Holdo.

    By the time her protection is gone she's already been taunting for a couple of turns, and the likelihood of someone spamming foresight on Holdo before the enemy takes 2-3 turns to give her a heal and save her from an untimely death is rather minimal.

    Even if she did get some foresight, it will only heal her for about half of a hit. She does need something like a heal zeta for certain because she is just too squishy for a tank (absurdly low armor being the big problem), but it should really regenerate protection for her at the cost of a zeta. Just a heal is more of an omega quality trait.

    Does surviving one more enemy attack sound like it is worth a zeta to you? Because as things stand, 0 more attacks is the normal (since it's only a heal on foresight dodge), 1 more attack if you're lucky enough to get foresight on Holdo while she's taunting. 2-3 if you're amazingly lucky and the taunt drops right then and the enemy attacks everyone else with foresight immediately after.

    If it was protection regen, it would be active for a lot more of the match and justify the zeta investment. With just a heal, it's a very lackluster zeta trait. I would go so far as to say that no heal zeta that doesn't include protection is worth it. Nihilus's is part of an ability that turns protection into health so even that supports what I am saying.

    So that's my spiel. Please consider adding protection regeneration to Holdo's zeta because as it is, it isn't much of a zeta in practice, though it sounds good in theory.

    It is just fs on her that heals her. It is fs from any resistance ally expiring. Jtr who get fs every turn, unless has some type of bi, Bb8 when he takes damage, R2 smoke screen. So there is lots of fs on a resistance team to expire and heal her.

    I don't think it is a quality zeta for arena but not every zeta is.
  • Woodroward
    3541 posts Member
    scuba wrote: »
    Woodroward wrote: »
    I do not feel this zeta has much value. I personally have invested in this zeta, and I did not notice a large increase in survivability for Holdo.

    By the time her protection is gone she's already been taunting for a couple of turns, and the likelihood of someone spamming foresight on Holdo before the enemy takes 2-3 turns to give her a heal and save her from an untimely death is rather minimal.

    Even if she did get some foresight, it will only heal her for about half of a hit. She does need something like a heal zeta for certain because she is just too squishy for a tank (absurdly low armor being the big problem), but it should really regenerate protection for her at the cost of a zeta. Just a heal is more of an omega quality trait.

    Does surviving one more enemy attack sound like it is worth a zeta to you? Because as things stand, 0 more attacks is the normal (since it's only a heal on foresight dodge), 1 more attack if you're lucky enough to get foresight on Holdo while she's taunting. 2-3 if you're amazingly lucky and the taunt drops right then and the enemy attacks everyone else with foresight immediately after.

    If it was protection regen, it would be active for a lot more of the match and justify the zeta investment. With just a heal, it's a very lackluster zeta trait. I would go so far as to say that no heal zeta that doesn't include protection is worth it. Nihilus's is part of an ability that turns protection into health so even that supports what I am saying.

    So that's my spiel. Please consider adding protection regeneration to Holdo's zeta because as it is, it isn't much of a zeta in practice, though it sounds good in theory.

    It is just fs on her that heals her. It is fs from any resistance ally expiring. Jtr who get fs every turn, unless has some type of bi, Bb8 when he takes damage, R2 smoke screen. So there is lots of fs on a resistance team to expire and heal her.

    I don't think it is a quality zeta for arena but not every zeta is.

    It's true it isn't just on her, but If she's taunting, only a foresight on her will heal her before she dies to enemy attacks.

    That's kind of the point I was making. And this zeta is clearly geared towards arena. Crit avoidance isn't something people look for in raiding. It is an okay ability, just not zeta quality. If it did protection regen too, then it would justify the zeta investment.
  • Believe it or not, but most zetas aren't actually very good: chewie, pao, bodhi, lumi, and both of farmboys Luke's are good examples
  • Woodroward
    3541 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Believe it or not, but most zetas aren't actually very good: chewie, pao, bodhi, lumi, and both of farmboys Luke's are good examples

    Oh I know, and I expect them all to be fixed at some point. Holdo is new enough that there's a chance it could be considered high on the list to make her zeta worthwhile.

    I mean she's not even farmable yet (practically brand new), and her zeta affects gameplay less than Pao's (a character that was made instantly farmable) and about as much as Chewie's (an entirely irrelevant character), and the movie she's from just hit the shelves.

    That's why I put this in the feedback section. To give my feedback to the developers. That is what it's here for.
  • scuba
    12142 posts Member
    Woodroward wrote: »
    Believe it or not, but most zetas aren't actually very good: chewie, pao, bodhi, lumi, and both of farmboys Luke's are good examples

    Oh I know, and I expect them all to be fixed at some point. Holdo is new enough that there's a chance it could be considered high on the list to make her zeta worthwhile.

    I mean she's not even farmable yet (practically brand new), and her zeta affects gameplay less than Pao's (a character that was made instantly farmable) and about as much as Chewie's (an entirely irrelevant character), and the movie she's from just hit the shelves.

    That's why I put this in the feedback section. To give my feedback to the developers. That is what it's here for.

    I wouldn't keep them hopes to high. Don't see them changing it much.
  • I also bought it and am kind of regretting it. If she would also heal protection it would be much more worth it
  • Woodroward
    3541 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    scuba wrote: »
    Woodroward wrote: »
    Believe it or not, but most zetas aren't actually very good: chewie, pao, bodhi, lumi, and both of farmboys Luke's are good examples

    Oh I know, and I expect them all to be fixed at some point. Holdo is new enough that there's a chance it could be considered high on the list to make her zeta worthwhile.

    I mean she's not even farmable yet (practically brand new), and her zeta affects gameplay less than Pao's (a character that was made instantly farmable) and about as much as Chewie's (an entirely irrelevant character), and the movie she's from just hit the shelves.

    That's why I put this in the feedback section. To give my feedback to the developers. That is what it's here for.

    I wouldn't keep them hopes to high. Don't see them changing it much.

    While in some sense I appreciate the "dose of reality", people's insistence upon speaking about what the devs will or won't do is one of the most aggravating things on this forum in my book.

    Let the devs say they won't do it, or let the topic die. We don't need players needlessly squashing each other's hopes.

    This is a thread in the feedback section. It is here for giving feedback about Amilyn Holdo to the developers. It is not here for other players to give me feedback about my feedback.
  • scuba
    12142 posts Member
    Woodroward wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Woodroward wrote: »
    Believe it or not, but most zetas aren't actually very good: chewie, pao, bodhi, lumi, and both of farmboys Luke's are good examples

    Oh I know, and I expect them all to be fixed at some point. Holdo is new enough that there's a chance it could be considered high on the list to make her zeta worthwhile.

    I mean she's not even farmable yet (practically brand new), and her zeta affects gameplay less than Pao's (a character that was made instantly farmable) and about as much as Chewie's (an entirely irrelevant character), and the movie she's from just hit the shelves.

    That's why I put this in the feedback section. To give my feedback to the developers. That is what it's here for.

    I wouldn't keep them hopes to high. Don't see them changing it much.

    While in some sense I appreciate the "dose of reality", people's insistence upon speaking about what the devs will or won't do is one of the most aggravating things on this forum in my book.

    Let the devs say they won't do it, or let the topic die. We don't need players needlessly squashing each other's hopes.

    This is a thread in the feedback section. It is here for giving feedback about Amilyn Holdo to the developers. It is not here for other players to give me feedback about my feedback.

    Well if you read what I wrote I gave my opinion on what I think.

    I stated
    "Don't see them changing it much."

    Vs

    "they won't change it"

    One is an opinion one is speaking for someone else.
  • I apologize for responding brusquely.

    I didn't foresee people attempting to discuss with me about what I thought about the zeta. I expected people to, if anything, come in and share their thoughts on the zeta (though I didn't even expect that much to be fair).

    To me that is the distinction of posting this in the feedback section instead of the arena and character strategy section.
    I would post something here that I would like to be available for devs to see if they wanted available feedback on something they were reviewing.
    I would post something in arena and character strategy that i wanted to discuss.

    By things not progressing in that fashion, to me it seemed as if my thread was being derailed. While I know that no harm was intended, I would rather this be more of a post your own thoughts on the zeta and be done kind of thread than a back and forth kind of thread.

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