1299 pack shard drops

GoodTimes
0 posts Member
edited May 2018
With the Bossk release and bounty hunter makeover I finally decided to invest $100 for a vault of crystals (19k with the special they were running). I decided what the heck, 19K crystals should easily get me a seven star Bossk and have plenty leftover for tons of gear and mode refreshes. So for $1299 crystals you get a chance of possible shard drops of 5,7,10,12,15,20,25,50,80,145,230,330. Of course you don't except to get 330 or even 230 shards at a time but out of 15 attempts I got twelve 7s, two 5s and one 12. Are you kidding me? 15 tries and not a single drop in the middle or upper tier? Twelve 7s in a row? As you are buying the drops it says nothing about it being weighted for one drop over another. It is statistically improbable for me to get 7 shards 12 times in a row unless it is rigged! I called EA to complain and they could not explain why that happened or if it is weighted or rigged. They were the technical support and said I needed to write on this forum for any further help. Spending a $100 should buy you a character at the minimum.
Post edited by Kyno on

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  • TVF
    36528 posts Member
    It's weighted odds and guess how it's weighted.

    Weighted /= Rigged (at least the way you've defined it)
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  • Rebel_yell
    928 posts Member
    cost to 7* a brand new character ranges from $200 if you're lucky and $300+ if you're unlucky. Lots of videos and forum posts covering the topic, but if you're new or in this case, it's your first time buying you may not have been exposed to that information. If you're in a guild, I'd always recommend consulting with them before making a purchase that involves real-world money. Might get some insight you didn't otherwise have.

    Buyers remorse, we've all been there. It's not rigged, it's just not very... transparent.
  • Nobody ever said the odds were evenly distributed for each possibility. Guess which values are more likely to drop? Guess which values are least likely to drop?

    General rule of thumb is that if you decide to spend money to 7* the latest marquee, it is better if you don't try to do it on a limited budget.
  • Mr_Sausage
    1869 posts Member
    I hoarded 28k in crystals in the last 4 months to get Bossk. I skipped the Empire meta to do it. Spent them all on Bossk and now have a 73/85 5* Bossk. I’ll have him at 6 stars by the time his packs are over but there is no chance I’ll get him at 7 star without a miracle drop. I was well aware that my drops were more than likely going to be horrible and they were. I had two 15 drops, three 12’s and the rest were 5’s and 7’s. I wasn’t upset as I got what I expected.
  • Nikoms565
    14242 posts Member
    Yes, sorry OP, but it's fairly well accepted knowledge that to 7* a toon starting at 3* is 2-3 vaults (2 if you're lucky, 3 to be safe).
    In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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  • Jeric
    271 posts Member
    1. You should have done a search before plopping down money on a character with odds not disclosed.
    2. It's common knowledge for this that have invested time to research the game how much on average farming a marquee character costs
    3. Moderators here are not employed by EA. They can't give you the character or refund your money.

    Basically, enjoy your six star Bossk. It's better than mine, and not as good as those who paid $200-$300.
  • No more rigged than a casino.
  • All things considered, think of it this way; you did better than the minimum, could have got 5 every pull :p
  • Kyno
    32087 posts Moderator
    TVF wrote: »
    It's weighted odds and guess how it's weighted.

    Weighted /= Rigged (at least the way you've defined it)

    this.
    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    Yes, sorry OP, but it's fairly well accepted knowledge that to 7* a toon starting at 3* is 2-3 vaults (2 if you're lucky, 3 to be safe).

    and here the average cost for you. about $200-300 is the average cost.
  • EA is a corporation. They are not giving anything away for cheap on a "popular" game, no matter the fact that restricting progress lessens interest in said game. Stop wasting real dollars on the game and accept what they give you. That's what they want, apparently...(no they really want you to spent mass amount of money on the game but they miss the fact that people get tired of the blatant money grabs)
  • FailingCrab
    1155 posts Member
    I have heard of people (supposedly successfully) asking EA/Google/Apple for refunds when they haven't been satisfied with their purchase. That may be a route worth going down if you're truly dissatisfied.
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  • YodaHeIs
    64 posts Member
    I think the take away is that they could increase customer satisfaction if they where more transparent and open about the chances for the drops of different shard amounts. Unless it is there intention to make one time money of those players that did not do out-of-game research, as those will surely not invest in the game again.
  • Nikoms565
    14242 posts Member
    YodaHeIs wrote: »
    I think the take away is that they could increase customer satisfaction if they where more transparent and open about the chances for the drops of different shard amounts. Unless it is there intention to make one time money of those players that did not do out-of-game research, as those will surely not invest in the game again.

    People have been saying this for 2+ years. Unless there are actual laws that force CG/EA to reveal drop rates, they simply aren't going to. Which, imho, is a bad decision - for the reasons you stated and the fact that it breeds suspicion on the part of all players in regards to every aspect of the game. That's why you see so many conspiracy theories about drop rates, arena battles, rng, etc.

    In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
    *This space left intentionally blank*
  • TVF
    36528 posts Member
    I have heard of people (supposedly successfully) asking EA/Google/Apple for refunds when they haven't been satisfied with their purchase. That may be a route worth going down if you're truly dissatisfied.

    I guess but it certainly sounds unlikely to me.

    You get exactly what you pay for, which is the chance to get something small versus something big, and the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the small thing.
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  • TVF
    36528 posts Member
    edited May 2018
    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    YodaHeIs wrote: »
    I think the take away is that they could increase customer satisfaction if they where more transparent and open about the chances for the drops of different shard amounts. Unless it is there intention to make one time money of those players that did not do out-of-game research, as those will surely not invest in the game again.

    People have been saying this for 2+ years. Unless there are actual laws that force CG/EA to reveal drop rates, they simply aren't going to. Which, imho, is a bad decision - for the reasons you stated and the fact that it breeds suspicion on the part of all players in regards to every aspect of the game. That's why you see so many conspiracy theories about drop rates, arena battles, rng, etc.

    My conspiracy theory is that you see so many conspiracy theories from a very tiny extremely loud vocal minority on a website that most players don't even know exists.

    Therefore I'm not sure it makes a difference to their bottom line.
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  • Nikoms565 wrote: »
    Unless there are actual laws that force CG/EA to reveal drop rates, they simply aren't going to.

    I noticed a lot of action from different communities heading to this during last months. But pitifully, all conversations were closed for some weird reason.
    The balance? Never heard of that.
  • TVF wrote: »
    It's weighted odds and guess how it's weighted.

    Weighted /= Rigged (at least the way you've defined it)

    More like a gamble I'm afraid!!
  • TVF wrote: »
    I have heard of people (supposedly successfully) asking EA/Google/Apple for refunds when they haven't been satisfied with their purchase. That may be a route worth going down if you're truly dissatisfied.

    I guess but it certainly sounds unlikely to me.

    You get exactly what you pay for, which is the chance to get something small versus something big, and the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the small thing.

    This above is the exact definition of gambling....
  • sandstormer
    2 posts Member
    edited August 2018
    Late reply, but I just now saw your post Googling drop odds because I’m thinking about whether or not I want to buy or wait for a 7 ⭐️ Shan (your post made the top 10 in google search results for “swgoh 1299 crystals shard odds”).

    Since I started playing SWGOH about a year ago, I purchased these to get a few new toons to 7 ⭐️ quickly and based on my experiences, I concur with those who said it is usually $200-300 to upgrade from 4 to 7 stars (65 + 85 + 100) on top of the $10 bundle for a guaranteed 30 shards to upgrade from 3 to 4 ⭐️. I think 7 shards is the most likely number of shards to drop. It definitely was for me when I upgraded Boskk (see attached image).

    You can always go the F2P route if you don’t mind waiting because all toons become farmable eventually. MTFBWY

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  • Nothings going to change when your all buying them even when you know your being scammed.

    It's not a scam if someone knows the most likely shard drop rates. It's just a choice.

    The scam is when people don't know the likely drop rate and then buy the pack thinking there's a chance they'll get somewhere between 5 - 330, when in reality, 99% chance to get something between 5 - 12.
  • House always wins with these packs I'm afraid.

    You'd have more luck pulling 3 Royal Flushes in a row in 3 hands at poker than getting 330 shards I imagine. Even any more than the minimum is unlikely.
    Hey, it's still better than MSF
  • Jtn2t
    47 posts Member
    I bought 3 data cards for Jolee Bindu shards, and have 37 of them while I got sidetracked with my other game. I knew I should've finish that Marquee event before it ends, and this is the first time that I've missed it, at least I can unlock him soon.
  • Master007
    4 posts Member
    edited August 2018

    I just got robbed again paying 1299 crystals and getting only 7 shards in return!!
    Before I got only 5 shrads in return!

    This is the worst thing a software company can do!
    Making me spend hard earned Crystal's to get a better character and upgrade him
    Leaving you at the same place with less crystals to play with!

    You should make it the other way around!
    Give the needed shards to activate or upgrade the character or ship to the next level or two.
    And ONLY then give the bonus shards .

    And REMOVE the **** low numbers of crystals 5-20 . Give bonus 50+ for high crystals numbers!

    You take the fun of playing the game and limit our progress not allowing us to upgrade.

    Please do something about it.

    Thank you.
    P.s.
    Please give me back my 1299 Crystal's and take the 7 shards of Jolee Bindo back!!!

    This game should be fun! And not a vagas gambling game!
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  • Now he is farmable. Hard battles node 2. It will also take some serious strategy to beat the node with 3 stars. Not as hard as Shoretroopers node though.
  • This has nothing to do with the fact that it is farmable now.
    This has to do with EA making you pay a lot of cystals for upgrade shrads and get ridiculous LOW amount of shrads as return ! Which leaves you you exactly were you where but with less hard earned crystals!

    This happens even when I paid for ships non of the rare ships came up and very very small amount of shrads to the ships I already had.

    EA should do something with this !
    It is playing a game of cheating the players making them pay for things they would never get.
    It is just like playing the lottery with really bad odds for the players.

    This game should be fun and EA should always make the players happy and not frustrated!!!

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