Old Ben "Mind Trick" - attack or no?

Dralkyr
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Mind Trick: Inflict Ability Block on all enemies for 1 turn and Offense Down for 2 turns, with an 80% chance to remove 60% Turn Meter. Jedi and Rebel allies gain 3% Turn Meter for each effect Resisted. This attack can't be Evaded.

So is this an attack, or no? At the moment, it acts like neither. If it IS an attack, then characters with Retribution should counter attack; if it is NOT, then under an AA, someone should assist. But neither of these happen. No one counters, no one assists.

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  • Phoenixeon
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    It is an attack.
    Counter attack(s) happens only if you lose protection or hp...
  • YaeVizsla
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    It's like Phoenixeon says.

    Like how attacks that miss do not provoke counterattacks.
    Still not a he.
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    Phoenixeon wrote: »
    It is an attack.
    Counter attack(s) happens only if you lose protection or hp...

    Wait what? Attacks get countered, mind tricks doesn't deal damage so it's not an attack?
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    It causes harmful effects, some it’s classed as an attack, It does not reduce health or prot, so it doesn’t trigger counters, which are triggered usually by on damage instances, a debuff doesn’t cause damage,
  • YaeVizsla
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    Wait what? Attacks get countered, mind tricks doesn't deal damage so it's not an attack?
    You are proceeding from a faulty premise regarding what triggers a counterattack.
    Still not a he.
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    YaeVizsla wrote: »
    Wait what? Attacks get countered, mind tricks doesn't deal damage so it's not an attack?
    You are proceeding from a faulty premise regarding what triggers a counterattack.

    What attack that doesn't deal damage triggers a counter attack?
  • VonZant
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    YaeVizsla wrote: »
    Wait what? Attacks get countered, mind tricks doesn't deal damage so it's not an attack?
    You are proceeding from a faulty premise regarding what triggers a counterattack.

    What attack that doesn't deal damage triggers a counter attack?

    That is what he is saying. Its an attack that doesnt deal damage. Thus, it doesnt trigger Akbar or retribution.
  • Dralkyr
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    I just tested and it looks like this is correct - an ability that inflicts a debuff is an attack, but counter-attacks are only triggered when damage is taken. I just tried putting GMT under an AA lead and his Intimidation Tactics neither triggers counters nor assists.
  • Dralkyr
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    Oh my, I found an inconsistency here. I just beat the BB8 event using a Phasma lead (worked better for me than KRU lead *shrug*) - Whenever an ally attacks, they have a 20% chance to call a random ally to Assist. This chance is tripled if the attacking ally is First Order. If that ally had Advantage, they regain it for 2 turns. First Order allies gain Advantage for 2 turns at the start of each encounter, can't be Critically Hit while they have Advantage, and gain 20% Potency.
    I used KRU's ability Halt - Dispel all buffs on target enemy and Stun them for 2 turns. Kylo recovers 10% Health and gains Taunt for 1 turn. This attack can't be Evaded or Resisted. Do you know what happened? ANOTHER ALLY ASSISTED! KRU applied a negative status effect but dealt no damage, yet it still called an assist!
  • YaeVizsla
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    A non-damaging attack is still an attack, even though it isn't counterable.
    Still not a he.
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    Dralkyr wrote: »
    Oh my, I found an inconsistency here. I just beat the BB8 event using a Phasma lead (worked better for me than KRU lead *shrug*) - Whenever an ally attacks, they have a 20% chance to call a random ally to Assist. This chance is tripled if the attacking ally is First Order. If that ally had Advantage, they regain it for 2 turns. First Order allies gain Advantage for 2 turns at the start of each encounter, can't be Critically Hit while they have Advantage, and gain 20% Potency.
    I used KRU's ability Halt - Dispel all buffs on target enemy and Stun them for 2 turns. Kylo recovers 10% Health and gains Taunt for 1 turn. This attack can't be Evaded or Resisted. Do you know what happened? ANOTHER ALLY ASSISTED! KRU applied a negative status effect but dealt no damage, yet it still called an assist!

    That's not an inconsistency. You already demonstrated that debuff inflicting abilities are considered attacks. Under a Phasma lead, assists occur when an ally uses an attack ability. This is in contrast to an Ackbar lead, where assists occur when a non-attack ability is used. KRU will never call a rebel to assist if he uses Halt under an Ackbar lead, but he will under Phasma.
  • Dralkyr
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    Oh... woops... Duh

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