With Kathleen Stepping down, you think we may finally get a good Disney Star Wars movie?

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Gorem
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Been waiting for a good new star wars movie for quite sometime now, obviously with her in charge things have been quite the mess with her pushing her SJW agenda and real life gender politics into the movies and with her and the other directors telling the fans that they hate all of us. Hopefully the new guy/gal sets things right, listens to the fans and doesn't make things worse.

I know there's one guy that would totally give us an Ahsoka/Obi Wan epic movie combination. Now that I'd want to go watch! Especially to see awesome Ahsoka again!

Here's to hoping us star wars fans get a good movie release now! :) More Lightsaber action too! A re-done last Jedi so we have a good Luke! lets make star wars more then just good visuals <3

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  • I cant see how they can save the series.
    Unless they bin TLJ and remake it which will never happen, no amount of story telling can fix what they have done.
  • When she actually steps down I'll celebrate
  • I cant see how they can save the series.
    Unless they bin TLJ and remake it which will never happen, no amount of story telling can fix what they have done.

    +1

    Sadly I fear TLJ did too much damage for the sequel trilogy to be saved.
  • No, and it has nothing to do with SJW, but everything to do with what they did to Luke Skywalker.
  • I cant see how they can save the series.
    Unless they bin TLJ and remake it which will never happen, no amount of story telling can fix what they have done.

    Actually a great storyteller can spin it around. There's many ways to fix it.

    If one of your things is the death of Luke. There's so many angles to write him back in as not dead.
    I didn't read the novelization, so I can't say if it said it in there if he died. I'm sure one of our more learned friends on here knows the answer.
  • I cant see how they can save the series.
    Unless they bin TLJ and remake it which will never happen, no amount of story telling can fix what they have done.

    Actually a great storyteller can spin it around. There's many ways to fix it.

    If one of your things is the death of Luke. There's so many angles to write him back in as not dead.
    I didn't read the novelization, so I can't say if it said it in there if he died. I'm sure one of our more learned friends on here knows the answer.

    Its not about him dieing that wasnt the problem. They destroyed his character completely, luke skywalker does not act like that.
    Its like bringing vader back wearing his helmet and a fairy costume going round granting wishes.
  • No, and it has nothing to do with SJW, but everything to do with what they did to Luke Skywalker.

    This. A thousand times this.

    People got the wrong end of the stick over the film's backlash. It was the mistreatment and betrayal of Luke and his legacy built over 3 films and the utter stubbornness of Rian Johnson around that which wrecked this film. Not female characters, take that agenda elsewhere because that's not what's wrong with this film at all.

    Johnson needed his own trilogy after JJ had his, it would have worked out, but to have two different people determining the direction of the current trilogy is madness. He's ruined episode 9 as JJ is now working with scraps and has to change direction while introducing new villains and creating a legitimate and plausible rebellion which people actually believe could win... All that in less than 3hrs. Well done Rian. Good luck JJ. I'd like to see JJ do the 2nd of rians trilogy and leave him the same mess to clear up.

  • If one of your things is the death of Luke. There's so many angles to write him back in as not dead.
    I didn't read the novelization, so I can't say if it said it in there if he died. I'm sure one of our more learned friends on here knows the answer.

    No Luke becoming a force ghost is fine. It's how they got there that people have issues with. If Kylo had led an insurgence with some others against Luke's teachings and killed his other students then Luke has a more legitimate reason to do what he does in the rest of the film. Being bitter about almost attacking Kylo carries less weight than watching Kylo cut down other students under Luke's care. You'd be behind Luke and understand his grief more, while not betraying his character. They missed that one completely.
  • IMHO, Kathleen K. Missed her opportunity to enhance the story by punishing instead of teaching. All she did was flip the script. Women were in control men were feeble. Nothing was gained and more ground was lost. I honestly wish George Lucas had just let the SW universe sit as it was. We were fine with things as they were. Kathleen stepping down will make things worse. Those thinking she was forced out will boycott, the fans already boycotting will continue, nothing will be gained. I think KK made the mess, now she needs to clean it up. As for the story, hire Neil Gaiman. KK should focus on running Lucas film, let those qualified do their jobs. If you really want her to be replaced, get Joss Whedon, he's already on the payroll at Marvel.
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  • DuneSeaFarmer
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    edited June 2018
    BrekRegis wrote: »

    If one of your things is the death of Luke. There's so many angles to write him back in as not dead.
    I didn't read the novelization, so I can't say if it said it in there if he died. I'm sure one of our more learned friends on here knows the answer.

    No Luke becoming a force ghost is fine. It's how they got there that people have issues with. If Kylo had led an insurgence with some others against Luke's teachings and killed his other students then Luke has a more legitimate reason to do what he does in the rest of the film. Being bitter about almost attacking Kylo carries less weight than watching Kylo cut down other students under Luke's care. You'd be behind Luke and understand his grief more, while not betraying his character. They missed that one completely.

    Like Anakin killing younglings. In any arc you have to hate either the character or what he or she has done before you can go after them.
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  • CaptainRex
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    She hasn't stepped down yet. You got me excited :angry:
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  • The problems with the last jedi were not about women. You can have a strong female protagonist but don't make her a mary sue. In ep 7 Rey should have lost to Kylo. She had no training and he is supposed to be the Darth Vader of the nee series. Letting her beat him just caused problems. Ep 8 made this worse by having no time skip and having her beat luke in a fight with still no training. Had they done it right she loses to kylo in 7 and is saved by the planet breaking up or chewie or luke or something. Tbh about anything is better than how it went. In 8 she actually trains. And in 9 she would be a believable bad **** hero. It doesn't matter that she's a girl. I didn't really like making Anakin the hero in ep 1 destroying the droid ship but this is more akin ti him beatin darth maul for them. At least there was a time skip for ep2 so you coukd believe anakin had his skills through training and he still gets beaten in ep2 and comes back stronger in ep3. Ep8 ruined that opportunity for Rey. And then there's the **** way they handled Luke, the pointless story arcs that add nothing to the movie but the obe with Reu is hardest to recover from.

    Agreed.
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  • Like Anakin killing younglings. In any arc you have to hate either the character or what he or she has done before you can go after them.

    Exactly. I just think Kylo could have been a much stronger character. A more convincing threat in 9 now would be the re-emergence of Thrawn rather than Kylo leading.
  • Boo
    3548 posts Member
    DatBoi wrote: »
    Oh no! Female and minority representation in blockbuster movies! What a tragedy!

    The new films have plenty of problems but characters being female isn’t one of them.

    Oh dear @DatBoi it is so much more than that. I am sorry if you fail to see that. It will just take far too long to explain.
  • Boo
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    "Maybe if I throw in Ahsoka they won't see the obvious sexist chip on my shoulder" he said foolishly

    Characters like Ahsoka and Mara Jade prove the fans like female leads and strong female jedi - what we got with Rey was nothing short of overpowered and boring.

    The issue isn't she was female - her character was just wrong. Lucasfilm likely made her overpowered because they were introducing a female jedi lead, they thought the fans weren't ready for that, so they made her over powered to compensate - which made the fans, already willing to have a female lead, hate her character.

    That's not sexist, its just bad story telling and character development.
  • DatBoi
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    @Boo I won’t defend many of the choices made with how the new characters are developed, but people are blaming a “political agenda” instead of the writing itself. Can you see how constantly blaming the “SJW elites” instead of the writing might confuse people like me?
  • DatBoi wrote: »
    @Boo I won’t defend many of the choices made with how the new characters are developed, but people are blaming a “political agenda” instead of the writing itself. Can you see how constantly blaming the “SJW elites” instead of the writing might confuse people like me?

    I think the main issue is putting political agendas ahead of the story. For example, the whole canto bite sequence was dripping with political agenda and added almost nothing to the story. It also took up 45 minutes of the movie stopping them from further developing parts of the story that would have served it much better. But as I stated earlier, not even the biggest issue. The lack of a time skip combined with a storyline that only allows a couple of days to pass at most was the biggest issue since it compounded issues with ep 7 rather than making them better but ideally they should have removed the overt politics as well especially where it doesn't fit in the story.
  • Boo
    3548 posts Member
    DatBoi wrote: »
    @Boo I won’t defend many of the choices made with how the new characters are developed, but people are blaming a “political agenda” instead of the writing itself. Can you see how constantly blaming the “SJW elites” instead of the writing might confuse people like me?

    Its everything - Kennedy is pushing the SJW agendas in the movies, of course there is absolute shoddy story telling as well as destruction of beloved characters where the new characters add nothing and are bland/boring.

    Then there is the response from Lucasfilm that say that anyone who argues these points are angry white boys who are scared of strong female leads and are racist and that Star Wars does not need to cater to men, especially if you are white. And if you are a white star wars fan then you are probably over weight and live in your parent's basement.

    All of that has completely turned me off star wars. Disney better work a miracle with E9 or the franchise will certainly never recover - instead of continuing to bash fans like I have stated above, they had better start listening and doing better for them or Star Wars is truly dead.
  • DatBoi wrote: »
    Oh no! Female and minority representation in blockbuster movies! What a tragedy!

    The new films have plenty of problems but characters being female isn’t one of them.

    The evil feminist agenda is to ruin the world by putting more girls in movies? No. Please. Don't. Seeing more girls will be horrible. :p
  • Dark_Side_1977
    46 posts Member
    edited June 2018
    I don't understand why people think that Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy ruined Star Wars.
    Most fans despise the prequels, the ewoks' role in ROTJ, and TFA was just a remake of A New Hope.
    So I don't see how what Rian Johnson did was worse for the franchise than the past actions of JJ Abrams and George Lucas.

  • Gorem
    1185 posts Member
    edited June 2018
    Hey cool, this got lots of attention, I did want to say that I will admit that rogue one was a good star wars movie, the only good Disney star wars movie they have ever made. With KK stepping down my hope is the new person doesn't come out and tell everyone that they hate their fans and will never listen to any of us - and not liking what they put up front makes you multiple names of bad. Anybody besides that would be great. Last Jedi is already factually/objectively worse then the prequels, and all it would have taken to be awesome? one cool Luke scene of him being awesome with a saber and the force. HISHE did it, why can't they?

    I miss when star wars was not ruined by these new people that hate star wars, I miss when it was written well and the writer had actually paid attention (ie, when writing ep 8, the guy had not even seen ep.7). I really hope we get an awesome star wars movie that has no politics inside and no mary sue's.

    Have a female main character sure, but have her have powerful parents, show her actually being trained for years to be exactly where she is now. Actually give us a good story, and it will be great to be watching a star wars movie again. :)

    Oh and create a new villain that's actually good. Snoke had promise but went out like a chump.
  • The writing and the direction is definitely to blame for the faults of these movies. I don't know much about Kathleen Kennedy, but I have seen some rather unbecoming quotes, and confusing pictures of her attempting to promote Star Wars. A lot of this has been pointlessly divisive.

    One of the biggest problems for this new trilogy is that the studio seems to have misunderstood how seriously the fans take Star Wars and the characters of the movies. Considering Star Wars was popular when the first trilogy was released, and when the prequels came out, not to mention the decades in between to build upon the universe, I'm not really sure how they managed to do this.

    On the surface they have created characters that are very interesting. Rey is a scavenger from a desert planet, abandoned and alone, struggling to survive. Finn is a stormtrooper who has a change of heart and reluctantly sides with the Resistance. I'm not really sure what Poe is supposed to be, he seemed heroic in The Force Awakens, but in The Last Jedi he seemed reckless and arrogant in the beginning and to me, seemed scared and erratic by the end. At any rate, these are all very good starts to interesting characters, but none of this stuff is ever fleshed out. We never really learn about what Rey's life was like before she left her planet, or what any of her history was. In TLJ, we learn she doesn't really have anything to learn, apparently. What are her motivations?

    Finn's connection to the First Order and how he came to be where he was at the start of the trilogy is never really touched upon until it's a convenient plot device for him to know something. Exploring what led to his involvement would have been far more interesting than the side quest through the Casino planet where we learn that our good guys dislike blatant greed and slavery.

    Poe's the only interesting character remaining since anything they do with him at this point would be interesting as I feel he has yet to be put to use in any meaningful way.

    Perhaps in another 30 or 40 years, after countless video games, comics, novels, fan-fics, and daydreams, these new characters will live up to their predecessors, but as it stands, they're certainly a pale imitation. The characters that came before them weren't perfect, but have had a lot of time to endear themselves to the SW fanbase, and part of what has caused such disdain for this new trilogy is how those now iconic characters have been disrespectfully handled.
  • I hate the way people group you into sexist bigot racist etc if you didnt like the movie. Other than subjective opinion based arguments such as Lukes character (which I totally agree was a terrible direction) there are fundamental film making issues with TLJ that aren't decided by fans opinions. A lot of which has to do with pacing, dialogue, character development and decisions
  • ScrawnyKid88
    72 posts Member
    edited June 2018
    I hate the way people group you into sexist bigot racist etc if you didnt like the movie. Other than subjective opinion based arguments such as Lukes character (which I totally agree was a terrible direction) there are fundamental film making issues with TLJ that aren't decided by fans opinions. A lot of which has to do with pacing, dialogue, character development and decisions

    Ah yes. This is why it got a positive review from a majority of film critics. You know the people whose job it is to gage how well a movie does those things? Maybe people lump you in with them because otherwise your criticisms seem completely without merit. It's fine to not like a movie, but to act you are upholding some objective truth about Star Wars or movies in general is when people are gonna call you on your ****
  • TVF
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    Stop saying KK is stepping down until it actually happens. Sheesh.
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  • I don't understand why people think that Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy ruined Star Wars.
    Most fans despise the prequels, the ewoks' role in ROTJ, and TFA was just a remake of A New Hope.
    So I don't see how what Rian Johnson did was worse for the franchise than the past actions of JJ Abrams and George Lucas.

    While the prequels had their problems, Jar Jar, most of those problems were isolated. For example, many don't like ep 2 because of the acting in the love scenes. The scenes them selves were necessary since padme and anakin had to fall in love for him to fall in ep 3. The point is that while there are some issues with the prequels most aren't due to bad witting and a bad story. Most of the problems with ep 8 are due to a bad story. For example, we are supposed to believe that kylo is a big bad villian but he is beaten by a girl with no training. There are two conclusions, either rey is a mary sue or kylo is a wimpy villian. Neither option makes a good story and both affect future movies making it hard to ake ep 9 have a good plot. Ep 8 made it worse since you still had snoke as a possible big bad but they killed him off. So now the only villian is whimpy kylo who is already beatable by mary sue rey. You can't blame fans for not being excited about that.
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