G12 and Heroic Raid Reward Changes [MEGA]

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    kalidor wrote: »
    I've been ignoring this aspect of the game for a variety of reasons, focusing on improving for hSith and gearing for other aspects of the game. But this is how this whole Sith raid feels to me:
    kalidor wrote:
    Sith raid comes out like a dumpster fire. It burns for a while and some firemen show up. The residents of the apartment building next to it look on anxiously. One of the firemen brings a ladder to help a few get down, but it's really long and the first few floors can't use it. Another sprays water on the dumpster, but then worries that it's causing water damage to the building and stops. They mull the fire over for a few hours. The fire spreads to the building.
    The fire chief and department spokesmen show up, and they start talking about the fire, and how they're going to address the fire. Several residents yell "Just put it out!" and they nod, yep, we'll do that.
    A few more hours go by, the fire has really gone to town on the building. A few fireman leave to rescue some kittens stuck in trees. BTW, there's a gas station a few buildings down.
    Fire continues up the building and in the dumpster, which some people have stopped putting garbage in.
    Another fireman asks the residents "What do you think we should do about this?" and gets hundreds of people yelling "put it out with water" "move it away from the building" "get more ladders of different lengths" "why the kitten are you asking US?"
    A few more hours go by, happy to report several kittens rescued! Meanwhile a few other homes elsewhere in the city catch fire.
    The firemen bring in big fans to blow out the fire once and for all, and the fans start blowing flames towards the gas station. Residents on the top floors start scrambling over one another to reach the roof. Others simply leave the building. Vouchers for free weed spraying are promised to those whose homes were damaged while the fireman's attention was elsewhere.
    What shall await our dauntless heroes in Chapter 2? Tune in next week....

    You forgot to add
    CNN: Blames Trump for inaction
    Fox: Blames Democrats for blocking Trump
    UN: Levies sanctions on an unrelated topic
    Local News: Gas prices sore on speculation because one gas station close to the fire is threatened
    BBC: Reports on renewal of Sherlock for season 6

    When is season 5??? I'm rioting!
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    kalidor wrote: »
    I've been ignoring this aspect of the game for a variety of reasons, focusing on improving for hSith and gearing for other aspects of the game. But this is how this whole Sith raid feels to me:
    kalidor wrote:
    Sith raid comes out like a dumpster fire. It burns for a while and some firemen show up. The residents of the apartment building next to it look on anxiously. One of the firemen brings a ladder to help a few get down, but it's really long and the first few floors can't use it. Another sprays water on the dumpster, but then worries that it's causing water damage to the building and stops. They mull the fire over for a few hours. The fire spreads to the building.
    The fire chief and department spokesmen show up, and they start talking about the fire, and how they're going to address the fire. Several residents yell "Just put it out!" and they nod, yep, we'll do that.
    A few more hours go by, the fire has really gone to town on the building. A few fireman leave to rescue some kittens stuck in trees. BTW, there's a gas station a few buildings down.
    Fire continues up the building and in the dumpster, which some people have stopped putting garbage in.
    Another fireman asks the residents "What do you think we should do about this?" and gets hundreds of people yelling "put it out with water" "move it away from the building" "get more ladders of different lengths" "why the kitten are you asking US?"
    A few more hours go by, happy to report several kittens rescued! Meanwhile a few other homes elsewhere in the city catch fire.
    The firemen bring in big fans to blow out the fire once and for all, and the fans start blowing flames towards the gas station. Residents on the top floors start scrambling over one another to reach the roof. Others simply leave the building. Vouchers for free weed spraying are promised to those whose homes were damaged while the fireman's attention was elsewhere.
    What shall await our dauntless heroes in Chapter 2? Tune in next week....

    You forgot to add
    CNN: Blames Trump for inaction
    Fox: Blames Democrats for blocking Trump
    UN: Levies sanctions on an unrelated topic
    Local News: Gas prices sore on speculation because one gas station close to the fire is threatened
    BBC: Reports on renewal of Sherlock for season 6

    When is season 5??? I'm rioting!

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    3 sir! 3!
  • Ravens1113
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    edited June 2018
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    @CG_SBCrumb @CG_Carrie @EA_Cian (only because you’ve been more active than anyone else lately)

    I’ve been looking over the prize boxes for the new rewards for HSTR and weighing everything. I have to ask what you guys were truly thinking about?
    All you did, and it’s been said dozens of times already, was make the rewards top heavy. For top 10, the rewards are awesome, it seems. The potential gear they drop, the amount of salvage, it’s pretty good. There’s even the chance for a fully crafted piece, even more so for top 3. Not bad.

    However, here is the issue. Beyond top 10, 11-50...the rewards are flat out terrible. You get roughly 5.7% (4 salvage pieces totally) of the necessary salvage needed for a g12 piece, about 30% salvage needed for a piece of a g12+ gear, roughly 40% (20 salvage pieces) for a g11 gear piece and a drop of random gold challenge gear (why?! It’s absolutely useless!!). There is absolutely no chance for a fully crafted piece of G12 gear. None.

    So looking at all that can you see why the entire player base does not like the new reward structure? There hasn’t been a single positive review of the overall structure. Even those who earn top 10 don’t like the structure because they know that there is going to be fissures caused in long time guilds. It’s not like with Pit or HAAT where you can rotate for the Solo and GK shards to make sure the whole guild 7*’s the new meta character. That’s not the issue. The issue is gear. Gear wasn’t an issue in the other two raids because there were other locations to farm the G11 and pre G12 gear. But this new G12+ that’s HSTR exclusive?? You will never stop needing this g12+ gear for old toons and incoming toons alike. Not to mention that you instilled a cap for raid rewards to two a week so people finishing top 10 are probably limited to 1 full g12+ gear piece a week IF they get the proper salavge. That’s never going to end so rotating won’t work. This is just the heroic tier.

    You guys have completely ignored T1-T6 and how those rewards are even worse since there are no traya shards to be had, the amount of gear salavge from there is laughably low, and the currency won is poor too. They are terrible rewards all around, except top 10 of HSTR. Otherwise, it’s terrible.

    Don’t you see how this is terrible for the long term health of the game? For content meant to revitalize participation and interest in the game? From it’s inception it’s been nothing but a source of division and controversy, whether through the mechanics of the raid itself or the rewards.

    Come on guys. Stop this ridiculous stance of silence you’ve taken. Listen to your community. There are thousands of posts with potentially great ideas to make this raid and the game as a whole so much more enjoyable. Listen for once. Don’t just hear us out. Listen to what we are saying.

    I hope this post doesn’t fall on deaf ears or get passed over. But that’s what rebellions and change are built on; hope. Give the players something to hope for. Otherwise there will be nothing to look forward to for the player base and the light of SWGOH will fade into darkness and obsucurity.

    -Ravens1113
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »

    All you did, and it’s been said dozens of times already, was make the rewards top heavy. For top 10, the rewards are awesome, it seems. The potential gear they drop, the amount of salvage, it’s pretty good. There’s even the chance for a fully crafted piece, even more so for top 3. Not bad.

    disagree with this point... the rewards are completely rng dependent in the top 10. i finished 5th and 2nd in the last 2 raids with the new rewards structure and got garbage both times
  • Ravens1113
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »

    All you did, and it’s been said dozens of times already, was make the rewards top heavy. For top 10, the rewards are awesome, it seems. The potential gear they drop, the amount of salvage, it’s pretty good. There’s even the chance for a fully crafted piece, even more so for top 3. Not bad.

    disagree with this point... the rewards are completely rng dependent in the top 10. i finished 5th and 2nd in the last 2 raids with the new rewards structure and got garbage both times

    Rewards are of course RNG dependent, but the possibility of what they drop make them much better than any other ranking across any tier of the raid.
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    So radio silence from CG, not even going to acknowledge that what was implemented was the complete opposite of your original stated goal for rewards and we are still getting CHALLENGE gear!
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    Can we expect a double drop event anytime soon ?
  • DuneSeaFarmer
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    edited June 2018
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    It has been speculated, and I tend to agree with it, that there is no need (In the Devs eyes) to redo the rewards or difficulty because there are guilds farming it, that will run players through. So the need to change any aspect of the Sith Raid is non-existent. As much as I wish otherwise, I can't find fault with the logic of this speculation.
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  • Madpup
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    It has been speculated, and I tend to agree with it, that there is no need (In the Devs eyes) to redo the rewards or difficulty because there are guilds farming it, that will run players through. So the need to change any aspect of the Sith Raid is non-existent. As much as I wish otherwise, I can't find fault with the logic of this speculation.

    So theres no needs to increase rewards for those stuck in tiers 1-6 because hSTR is on farm?
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    So not only do the few with traya get the luxury of bein first to have her in arena an completely dominate the arena with their traya wall but now u reward them even more with gear that only they will have therefore pushing the dominance even further. The traya wall is already impossible to beat as it is an now u give them beast mode gear to just stick the knife even further into the rest of us. Thanks a lot. No wonder all guilds not beating heroic sith wants to just get rid of the raid completely due to the difficulty an time it takes just to get a few pieces of junk gear we can farm in 2 minutes flat. An u say ur gonna fix it an make it more worthwhile but yet all i see is more catering to the guilds who spend the big money an give the rest of us some generic **** response of “we want you to have something to strive for an work as a guild to reach end game content”. So in the meantime while we work as a guild to try get to the top u go an make the best part of the game “the arena” now the most dreaded part behind the sith raid of course cuz now we have a traya wall that couldnt be beat unless u have traya even more broken with all new gear. So in short get rid of the junk gear that every player in game has 6k of an reward the new gear in all heroic raids. Taht means tank and rancor. Atleast give the rest of us a chance to gear our characters as well.
  • Bane1492
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    edited July 2018
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    @CG_SBCrumb @CG_Carrie @EA_Cian (only because you’ve been more active than anyone else lately)

    I’ve been looking over the prize boxes for the new rewards for HSTR and weighing everything. I have to ask what you guys were truly thinking about?
    All you did, and it’s been said dozens of times already, was make the rewards top heavy. For top 10, the rewards are awesome, it seems. The potential gear they drop, the amount of salvage, it’s pretty good. There’s even the chance for a fully crafted piece, even more so for top 3. Not bad.

    However, here is the issue. Beyond top 10, 11-50...the rewards are flat out terrible. You get roughly 5.7% (4 salvage pieces totally) of the necessary salvage needed for a g12 piece, about 30% salvage needed for a piece of a g12+ gear, roughly 40% (20 salvage pieces) for a g11 gear piece and a drop of random gold challenge gear (why?! It’s absolutely useless!!). There is absolutely no chance for a fully crafted piece of G12 gear. None.

    So looking at all that can you see why the entire player base does not like the new reward structure? There hasn’t been a single positive review of the overall structure. Even those who earn top 10 don’t like the structure because they know that there is going to be fissures caused in long time guilds. It’s not like with Pit or HAAT where you can rotate for the Solo and GK shards to make sure the whole guild 7*’s the new meta character. That’s not the issue. The issue is gear. Gear wasn’t an issue in the other two raids because there were other locations to farm the G11 and pre G12 gear. But this new G12+ that’s HSTR exclusive?? You will never stop needing this g12+ gear for old toons and incoming toons alike. Not to mention that you instilled a cap for raid rewards to two a week so people finishing top 10 are probably limited to 1 full g12+ gear piece a week IF they get the proper salavge. That’s never going to end so rotating won’t work. This is just the heroic tier.

    You guys have completely ignored T1-T6 and how those rewards are even worse since there are no traya shards to be had, the amount of gear salavge from there is laughably low, and the currency won is poor too. They are terrible rewards all around, except top 10 of HSTR. Otherwise, it’s terrible.

    Don’t you see how this is terrible for the long term health of the game? For content meant to revitalize participation and interest in the game? From it’s inception it’s been nothing but a source of division and controversy, whether through the mechanics of the raid itself or the rewards.

    Come on guys. Stop this ridiculous stance of silence you’ve taken. Listen to your community. There are thousands of posts with potentially great ideas to make this raid and the game as a whole so much more enjoyable. Listen for once. Don’t just hear us out. Listen to what we are saying.

    I hope this post doesn’t fall on deaf ears or get passed over. But that’s what rebellions and change are built on; hope. Give the players something to hope for. Otherwise there will be nothing to look forward to for the player base and the light of SWGOH will fade into darkness and obsucurity.

    -Ravens1113

    And coincidentally this change happened at the same time they added more G12 gear to shipments.

    Less people getting G12 gear from raid = more who buy it from shipments = more money for EA/CG.

    Not only more money from gear, but more money from people hoping beyond hope they can get their rosters good enough to reach top 10, yet people who already get top 10 are ensuring theirs are getting stronger as well.

    Bottom line is, this is all about money and nothing about the players enjoyment of the game. Anyone who can't see that hasn't been paying attention.

  • Bane1492
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    Ravens1113 wrote: »
    @CG_SBCrumb @CG_Carrie @EA_Cian (only because you’ve been more active than anyone else lately)

    I’ve been looking over the prize boxes for the new rewards for HSTR and weighing everything. I have to ask what you guys were truly thinking about?
    All you did, and it’s been said dozens of times already, was make the rewards top heavy. For top 10, the rewards are awesome, it seems. The potential gear they drop, the amount of salvage, it’s pretty good. There’s even the chance for a fully crafted piece, even more so for top 3. Not bad.

    However, here is the issue. Beyond top 10, 11-50...the rewards are flat out terrible. You get roughly 5.7% (4 salvage pieces totally) of the necessary salvage needed for a g12 piece, about 30% salvage needed for a piece of a g12+ gear, roughly 40% (20 salvage pieces) for a g11 gear piece and a drop of random gold challenge gear (why?! It’s absolutely useless!!). There is absolutely no chance for a fully crafted piece of G12 gear. None.

    So looking at all that can you see why the entire player base does not like the new reward structure? There hasn’t been a single positive review of the overall structure. Even those who earn top 10 don’t like the structure because they know that there is going to be fissures caused in long time guilds. It’s not like with Pit or HAAT where you can rotate for the Solo and GK shards to make sure the whole guild 7*’s the new meta character. That’s not the issue. The issue is gear. Gear wasn’t an issue in the other two raids because there were other locations to farm the G11 and pre G12 gear. But this new G12+ that’s HSTR exclusive?? You will never stop needing this g12+ gear for old toons and incoming toons alike. Not to mention that you instilled a cap for raid rewards to two a week so people finishing top 10 are probably limited to 1 full g12+ gear piece a week IF they get the proper salavge. That’s never going to end so rotating won’t work. This is just the heroic tier.

    You guys have completely ignored T1-T6 and how those rewards are even worse since there are no traya shards to be had, the amount of gear salavge from there is laughably low, and the currency won is poor too. They are terrible rewards all around, except top 10 of HSTR. Otherwise, it’s terrible.

    Don’t you see how this is terrible for the long term health of the game? For content meant to revitalize participation and interest in the game? From it’s inception it’s been nothing but a source of division and controversy, whether through the mechanics of the raid itself or the rewards.

    Come on guys. Stop this ridiculous stance of silence you’ve taken. Listen to your community. There are thousands of posts with potentially great ideas to make this raid and the game as a whole so much more enjoyable. Listen for once. Don’t just hear us out. Listen to what we are saying.

    I hope this post doesn’t fall on deaf ears or get passed over. But that’s what rebellions and change are built on; hope. Give the players something to hope for. Otherwise there will be nothing to look forward to for the player base and the light of SWGOH will fade into darkness and obsucurity.

    -Ravens1113

    And coincidentally this happened at the same time they put more G12 gear in shipments. Less people getting G12 gear from raid = more people buying it from shipments = more money for the developers.

    People will try harder to get their rosters to top 10 level, yet people already at top 10 level will be increasing theirs as well so it's a hopeless cause unless lower ranking players leave their guilds for weaker ones.

    Anyone who doesn't see these changes are all about money hasn't been paying attention. Player enjoyment seems to be at the very bottom of the priority list here.
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    Bane1492 wrote: »
    Anyone who doesn't see these changes are all about money hasn't been paying attention. Player enjoyment seems to be at the very bottom of the priority list here.

    Right on! Milking the whales to maximum and pumping the guppies to whales or let them die. F2P? Those common folks a dime a dozen and their opinions doesn't count for CG.

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  • Ladas
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    It’s unfortunate that raid awards aren’t tier based upon damage bands. Place within that band and get that reward level. Gives incentive for each member to do their best, not just some minimum amount to “register” for the raid because they don’t think they can add much.
  • bisto_760
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    Rewards for heroic are no good now. Don't like the change. It's a net nerf.
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    no reply. without anything. total silence this attitude is a slap in the face of those who spend as much as 3 to 4 safes in this game every month and everyone who plays, participates and feels forgotten, even the FTP that makes a disclosure
    and are disregarded I am a whale but I entered the game at the invitation of a friend FTP. What do you expect from us? in fact we continue to pay ... I'm getting tired of it ... they (CG) dont care...
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    bisto_760 wrote: »
    Rewards for heroic are no good now. Don't like the change. It's a net nerf.

    It would appear that their interpretation of the feedback that tier 1-6 rewards were bad was "they are asking heroic tier rewards to be brought in line with lower tiers" not "they are asking lower tiers to be brought in line with herooc." Apparently the most epic end game content was always meant to have very poor gear rewards across the board.
  • SoonerJBD
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    Four straight first place finishes in heroic since the reward changes. Still no G12+ piece. Did get some great challenge gear tonight, though. Meanwhile 10th place tonight got four full pieces. These rewards suck and are making me hate the game. @CG_Carrie I’m sure you gave up reading this thread a long time ago, but I am absolutely baffled as to why these changes were made. There is no reward for finishing at the top other than a few more shards. It is insulting given the effort it takes. This raid is an RNG slog, and the rewards are terrible.
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    Sorry to write but more quit because of this raid and my guild is not yet doing the heroic...
    Quit = less money, think about this and get the good taste of giving feedback to customers who are still left. Thank you
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    Meanwhile...the raid is still terrible yet the only thing people cry about is the reward. Fix the raid first then do whatever.
  • hynes1981
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    Can some please explain to me why we are getting 25 pieces of the new gear 12 and only 2-3 pieces of the old gear 12? What is the logic behind that? There is so much tank salvage gear in the sith raid I don't know what to do with it. I already get tank gear from the tank raid., why do I need more of it? I am going to call the sith raid tank 2.0 from now on. Please fix this issue immediately
  • Hynes81
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    edited July 2018
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    CG_SBCrumb wrote: »
    Your comments in this thread have not gone unnoticed. We are still reviewing Tiers 1 through 6 of the Sith Raid regarding player progress. We want to see the results of the return of Rey’s Hero’s Journey which doubled the number of JTRs in the wild and should result in a significant boost to raid progress. Also Grand Master Yoda’s reworked kit (more details coming tomorrow!) should allow him to help with Sith Raid performance as well.

    In addition, we will address other experiential concerns that we have pulled from numerous sources including the official forums and Reddit after we are able to gauge the impact of these changes on the raid.
    We will continue to keep you posted on these upcoming changes.

    @CG_SBCrumb How long does it take for the development team to gauge the impact of the raid rewards changes? 1 week? 1 month? 1 year? 16 pages of negative comments about the “second” heroic sith raid rewards rework alone on the “official” forums should be enough data to realize what you are doing is wrong.

    Also, I don’t see how the number of JTR has to do with raid progress. Raid rewards have everything to do with progress. You earn gear through completion of a raid. Raids are based on the number of tickets your guild generates. By beating the raid faster you cannot progress faster unless you have enough tickets. Right now I feel that the player base is trying to play swgoh and the development team is playing checkers.
  • Jonsolo32
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    I hate this raid and what it did to my guild.
  • IronCross
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    I wonder what percentage of the game’s population would rank STR as the worst aspect/experience of the game. My guild polled 35 of 35 answers as this raid.

    IT SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE A CHORE...

    Unfortunately it is one no one likes. This is coming from a 115 million GP guild. I’m sure this is the same in an overwhelming majority of other guilds.
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    IronCross wrote: »
    I wonder what percentage of the game’s population would rank STR as the worst aspect/experience of the game. My guild polled 35 of 35 answers as this raid.

    IT SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE A CHORE...

    Unfortunately it is one no one likes. This is coming from a 115 million GP guild. I’m sure this is the same in an overwhelming majority of other guilds.

    I would go 1 step further, its the worst content of ANY game i have played on a regular basis.
  • Fave
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    The changes in g12 rewards system finally made me want to say something to another group other than my shard mates. I haven’t posted here in probably 1yr.
    What’s ironic is that almost my exact words were completely twisted around in the other direction that I told my shard mates.
    I said, the changes only hurt the ftp. We have received so much Old g12 gear, they could never catch up.
    I do like an advantage, but not like this.
    Don’t bother sending any negative or positive comments, it will be another yr before I comment again. It’s just something to think about.
  • Val_Galahadred
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    edited July 2018
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    IronCross wrote: »
    I wonder what percentage of the game’s population would rank STR as the worst aspect/experience of the game. My guild polled 35 of 35 answers as this raid.

    IT SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE A CHORE...

    Unfortunately it is one no one likes. This is coming from a 115 million GP guild. I’m sure this is the same in an overwhelming majority of other guilds.

    I just posted something along these lines in the Sith Raid Feedback thread. This whole thing has been a big failure, and I think the vast majority of players would prefer the Raid be dropped from the game. The only reason players even bother to do it is because they feel like they have to, to keep from falling behind all of the other players that are doing it because they feel like they have to. Pretty much nobody is doing it because it is an actual fun game mode.

    V

    Edit to tag @CG_Carrie
  • Bane1492
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    edited July 2018
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    Still no response.

  • Bane1492
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    Marcelord wrote: »
    no reply. without anything. total silence this attitude is a slap in the face of those who spend as much as 3 to 4 safes in this game every month and everyone who plays, participates and feels forgotten, even the FTP that makes a disclosure
    and are disregarded I am a whale but I entered the game at the invitation of a friend FTP. What do you expect from us? in fact we continue to pay ... I'm getting tired of it ... they (CG) dont care...

    They're too worried about announcing the new KotOR characters that'll be needed to unlock something most likely. Panic farms ahead, more cash for CG, HSR rewards are not a concern. If sales went up even a few pennies after the reward nerf/gear introduction to shipments they might as well close this thread because there's no chance in hades they'll ever change it back. $$$
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