Obi-Wan needs NERF urgently... otherwise Game is broken

speZialiZt

Sorry but that is so ***

Take him as first target, the healer always pushes him up. Go first on the heals, your dmg is so slow, because of this ridiculess Obi-Wan skill, that you dont have a chance of winning.

Although your team is in generell much stronger..

Fix that ***

Keaven

Target him last. He's only a body to a good squad.

speZialiZt

Yes do this .. i want to see how you will beat a barris oder someone with this low dmg output.. this negative buff for the my team is to heavy - very unbalanced...

Jeks

What level are you playing at? I never have had major issues with him as his debuff gets a lot of resists typically across the team. I have a 5 star obi and ran into the same resist frustrations when on the offense.

speZialiZt

Im LVL 50 atm.. i dont have a ressist against lower attack dmg.. this is nearly 50% or more less dmg.. to unbalanced simple as it is

JohnnySteelAlpha

Please please please....fight a toon for a while and take the time to look at the roster, acquire toons that counter it, and then if once you've done that if it's still OP, then make a post.

There's no way after 3 weeks you've faced Ben, analyzed his weaknesses or the team's weaknesses, then went and built a counter for him that was strong, and then tested that counter. This game has a lot of toons that do really different things. There are leaders that have tenacity to allies in their description - Luke is one. That skill blocks neg effects. There are toons that dispel negative effects - Ackbar. There are also toons that block specials - Lumi, Vader, Dooku is great vs. Ben...I would say yes Ben is one of the tougher toons to deal with, especially with the small number of toons most have after 3 weeks, but once you start to get a flow to him and Barris / other healer combos and have the toons to ability block or some other tactic in place, he's manageable. I prefer to ability block / Dooku stun him. Chip away at whatever my kill target is, and then when he's stunned and Barriss turn meter is low, go for the kill on that target unit. Then do that same task on the next target, which becomes easier and quicker as you are now 5 vs. 4.

Please everyone stop saying stuff is OP. This is just going to keep happening as you run in to different challenges that your current roster may not be able to handle. I was waiting for the Ben posts because unlike Dooku and Barriss, he's a legit big time threat. The roster and approach needed for Ben is much greater than Dooku or Barriss. I no longer think he's OP though. When I first faced him I did, but as you see the flow of the battles and learn when to place an ability block or stun and build toons that can execute this approach he's no longer scary. Once ability blocked, Ben is pretty useless - as are many of the Jedi - they are just low damage dealing tanks. HK 47 is another great toon that is farmable with anti-Jedi powers. His special can wreck a Ben / Healer build pretty good.

So instead of coming to rant on the forums about every new toon that people encouner, how about step back, analyze the toon, look at what other toons on the roster can do, and start to put together a gameplan for how to defeat it. All the nerf calls on this forum are ridiculous. This game is well balanced across the overall roster.

CrossXcalibur

JohnnySteelAlpha wrote: »

Please everyone stop saying stuff is OP...
So instead of coming to rant on the forums about every new toon that people encouner, how about step back, analyze the toon, look at what other toons on the roster can do, and start to put together a gameplan for how to defeat it. All the nerf calls on this forum are ridiculous. This game is well balanced across the overall roster.

Agree and have been saying this myself in the forums and on messaging apps.

Qeltar

Not calling for a nerf specifically, but there ARE some characters that are WAY overpowered compared to others.. and Old Ben is one of them. He's not properly balanced in that his special ability is too strong and too frequent, he has another (ridiculous) one when killed, and also has as many HP as a tank.
Basically, everyone lucky enough to get the guy puts him in their team. That's a sign of imbalance.

DigitalKLB

Well said Johnny.

Old Ben is certainly powerful, there is no doubt about that. But as has been said, once you start coming up against him, it's time to find counters. Ability blocks, stuns, debuff clears all now become valuable, where as before you were only concerned with damage.

If a team is my level and only has an Old Ben, I can tell you I will win that fight 100% of the time. He becomes truly powerful when he's coupled with certain other characters. Which, in turn means it's not actually him that is OP, but the combination that is OP, and I think that is quite fair.

Also I NEVER attack Ben first. He has an ability that buffs the entire team when he dies.

Kito

I just beat a team slighlty more powerfull than mine with old ben lumi Bariss Sidius and Luke
So yes, old ben is strong, but if you build a team able to kill strong attacker (but weak defense) in one run before lumi or Bariss can heal, you can deal with him.
Or just block his abilities like it was said.
There are plenty of abilities which counter another kind of character, this game is well done, even the characters who can only buy with real money aren't invicible.
Stop complaining and just enjoy the game as it is

ioniancat21

I am certain there will be many people who will think outside the box and find new team synergies by the day. Include in the idea that new characters are coming and the possibilities are endless. What will be funny is seeing people run to acquire the new characters and abandoning their partially built ones, which will create a disturbance in the force in PVP, leaving many of us opportunity....

Pilot

I agree with johnny. To summarize his point with mine, I'll just add that while playing and actually thinking and making choices on my team (instead of just listening to the fom trend) everything can be beat. So you thought that sid was going to make you op and blindly invested everything there, just to discover your teams weakness, is no reason to call nerf.
At one point i thought dooku was op, but overcame that. Then i thought offee was op and overcame that as well. When the sids started showing up, i was like ****! Overcame it. Then i met old ben, and like the op, I thought this was broken! Overcame it... Now my challenges are actually with the little unknown toons, like the pilots!

J7000

This is pathetic. I joined the nerf train when I was facing Dooku in every match when I was level 30-40. Well, I grew up and realized that although I despise Dooku. He didn't need the nerf bat and neither did Bariss. I'm level 51 now and yeah I'm seeing more of Obi, but I laugh at Bariss and Dooku now. Here is a revolutionary thought: your A-team shouldn't necessarily beat every other A-team. Many may say focus on your top give but I think you should have a couple in reserve for diversity sake. Please wait until you are level 60 before considering posting nerf threads and I'll promise to do the same. Please and thank you.

J7000

JohnnySteelAlpha wrote: »

Please please please....fight a toon for a while and take the time to look at the roster, acquire toons that counter it, and then if once you've done that if it's still OP, then make a post.

There's no way after 3 weeks you've faced Ben, analyzed his weaknesses or the team's weaknesses, then went and built a counter for him that was strong, and then tested that counter. This game has a lot of toons that do really different things. There are leaders that have tenacity to allies in their description - Luke is one. That skill blocks neg effects. There are toons that dispel negative effects - Ackbar. There are also toons that block specials - Lumi, Vader, Dooku is great vs. Ben...I would say yes Ben is one of the tougher toons to deal with, especially with the small number of toons most have after 3 weeks, but once you start to get a flow to him and Barris / other healer combos and have the toons to ability block or some other tactic in place, he's manageable. I prefer to ability block / Dooku stun him. Chip away at whatever my kill target is, and then when he's stunned and Barriss turn meter is low, go for the kill on that target unit. Then do that same task on the next target, which becomes easier and quicker as you are now 5 vs. 4.

Please everyone stop saying stuff is OP. This is just going to keep happening as you run in to different challenges that your current roster may not be able to handle. I was waiting for the Ben posts because unlike Dooku and Barriss, he's a legit big time threat. The roster and approach needed for Ben is much greater than Dooku or Barriss. I no longer think he's OP though. When I first faced him I did, but as you see the flow of the battles and learn when to place an ability block or stun and build toons that can execute this approach he's no longer scary. Once ability blocked, Ben is pretty useless - as are many of the Jedi - they are just low damage dealing tanks. HK 47 is another great toon that is farmable with anti-Jedi powers. His special can wreck a Ben / Healer build pretty good.

So instead of coming to rant on the forums about every new toon that people encouner, how about step back, analyze the toon, look at what other toons on the roster can do, and start to put together a gameplan for how to defeat it. All the nerf calls on this forum are ridiculous. This game is well balanced across the overall roster.

Absolutely!

Jabberwocky

Well said Johnny.

It's not Ben per se that's the toughest bit but the meta when he's paired with particular other toons.

I think I ran across the same Ben, Luke, Lumi, Bariss, Sid team, or another one like it.
My HK-47 suppressed Ben and my Lobot cleared the debuff when he finally got one off, it's about being flexible. I saw Ben In the match toon so chose to bring Lobot, he's not a regular on my teams but a specialist. The HK is a good tank with anti-jedi capabilities so I packed him, the rest of my squad was healers JC and Bariss and my Darth Maul for his crushing AOE attack and quick turnaround on his regular when it's a kill stroke when ability is pumped up.

Formal wear is nice but you don't wear it to the beach, just like there's no one size fits all A-team for every opposing team you face.

BentWookiee

The same people that Spam this is OP and that is OP will be the *First* to rage quit because "They Nerfed my main and ruined my game".

I have had my problems with certain situations but never to the point where I could not come up with a counter for it. That is part of the game.

Breetai

Old Ben? Not many in my bracket use him. I have him at 5* and don't use him at all. When I run into Ben he is always last I kill.

Leia on the other hand, her bug needs to be fixed ( yes I know ea knows about the bug ). A person in my bracket has qgj as leader for the speed buff with Leia and you pretty much lose someone before you even get to your second round of attacks.

Darkness

I usually kill him next to last or last depending on who else is around. Barriss I will leave last cause she still can't do any damage even with his death boosts. Lol

SlyGambit

I just fought a Phasma and Old Ben team. Someone will have to explain how it is beatable if they both get off their AOE. The damage down plus the mass slow means any chat affected is next to useless for 2 turns.

The team I faced was 3k power less but it doesn't matter since they basically halve my power for ~3 turns if the fire off.

Jabberwocky

SlyGambit wrote: »

I just fought a Phasma and Old Ben team. Someone will have to explain how it is beatable if they both get off their AOE. The damage down plus the mass slow means any chat affected is next to useless for 2 turns.

The team I faced was 3k power less but it doesn't matter since they basically halve my power for ~3 turns if the fire off.

Bring Lobot or another toon that can clear negative effects from allies.

SlyGambit

I guess. No other real counter. He has Sid and two other attackers (no need for healers with that much speed loss). I can't imagine what a team like that with Vader and maul/boba as the attackers would do.

Cythis

SlyGambit wrote: »

I guess. No other real counter. He has Sid and two other attackers (no need for healers with that much speed loss). I can't imagine what a team like that with Vader and maul/boba as the attackers would do.

It super strong add Jin as lead so Ben gets mind trick off and it hilarious fast matches.

I'm not sure how this performs on defense since the AI Is still bad

J7000

There seem to many more toons coming out with turn meter bonuses. Do I see a nerf to Obi in the future.. I doubt it. They could nerf his health and I probably wouldn't care as this would make him a tempting target...err.. Trap.

Rutank

speZialiZt wrote: »

Sorry but that is so ***

Take him as first target, the healer always pushes him up. Go first on the heals, your dmg is so slow, because of this ridiculess Obi-Wan skill, that you dont have a chance of winning.

Although your team is in generell much stronger..

Fix that ***

Get ewok elder and use his heal spell. Boom all negative effects are gone or Asaj or arkbar. Etc

Tryban

Johnny for post hall of fame.
I'll agree with anyone that certain characters are powerful and difficult to beat at times.
But after some analysis and adjustments, Ben, Sid, Barris,Vader, and Maul teams stopped being so formidable, even vs. those at higher levels with purple gear, encounter every day in GW.
I'm hopeful with EA_Jesse post in another thread that Barriss actual heal ability will be adjusted up a little, an 80+% reduction to base was extreme, she wasn't that difficult to beat before the nerf to require that big of an adjustment.

cosmicturtle333

At level 20 I thought Dooku was OP. I lost a few matches because of this, but I pulled through.

At level 30 I thought Bariss was OP. I lost a few matches but I pulled through.

At level 40 I though Sidious was OP. Etc

Get it? It's a temporary issue. Now Dooku is easy to kill. Bariss (before she got nerfed unnecessarily) was also easy to deal with. Right now Sidious is difficult, if he has a solid team around him and gets a lucky crit to take out a healer then I'm toast. But I'll figure out how to defeat him and then we'll all move onto the next 'OP' character.

Each hero has different strengths and weaknesses. You have to realise that for you, personally, a certain hero may be difficult.

Is Sidious the strongest hero in the game now? Probably. But I still beat him 80% of the time.

No more massive nerfs.

Chewdoka

Well you got the Obiwan nerf... But even if he wasn't nerfed people would have stopped using him vs Maul and Sid.

Bye bye Jedi teams

Alexnomnom

the only way to counter a Ben now is to take a ben yourself, and make your own ben cast faster than the enemies`. Ben is needed in most build of arena teams. He does need a remake. a nerf won`t help much

TheVinegru

Ben is still very good but people should stick with easily farmable characters until later on in the game.

Preemo_Magin

Ben abilty block may make tou bring Elser or Ackbar. And Ben can turn healers 3 turn cooldowns into NEVER cooldowns. Also, the new high damage chars or the ones producing Advanta in AoE fashion, required a nerf. A simple formula could wipe you team after 1 turn. Glad it was nerfed.

Miss_Doll

first thing first
Old Ben is master of Dark Vadar so his ability should be strong
He is a good teamplayer but.......
If you can withstand that 2 turn then he wont be big problem as low dmg output
Any good character to remove debuff? nightsister isnt high dmg enough