Basically, it exsist to incentivize players who buy marquee characters to buy all the way, while still allowing f2p players to retain value on their marquee 3*s.
Its a win-win for the comapny bottom line and customer satisfaction!
Its simple when they added zetas, they didnt want to put any restriction on them and when they added new gear they decided to put 7* restriction on it. Thats just how it is and its fine.
Is you mistake a 3 letter word for a 5 letter word you have problems other than eyesight. This isn't a case of a simple misread, you based an entire post about how **** something is when you didn't even bother to double check that your basic premise was correct to begin with. But oh yeah, I'm the one attacking you, when all I was implying is that you were trying to cover up your mistake with something as dumb as "well I couldn't see it" when that's obviously not the case. Yeah, I'm going to lose so much sleep over being called brainless from the guy who apparently can't count.
Get off my case and my eyesight seriously? Would you like a website that simulates what my eyesight is without corrective lens so that you will shut up. I guess your awesome eye sight didn't catch that you meant If instead Is at the beginning of your post. If you would like scientific proof of people with perfect eyesight mistakenly reading something wrong I can prove and make you more of a fool for pursuing this
Did I act impulsively after seeing 3 star toons with zetas but I'm being stopped from adding a piece of gear yes.
I'm pretty sure I had to fuse several needed pieces of salvage that could have been added else where that they are needed since that one will sit there for about a year until having enough for 7 with the drop rates of farming on hard nodes.
BTW we are still coming in at 10.7% shard drop on hard nodes?. If it has a ship and a toon it's far lower coming in 7.3%
So you can tell the difference between "Is" and "If" but not "Six" and "Seven"? I think my auto-correct error just proved my point that you're probably lying about your eye sight in order to try and save face. I was never "on your case" you were just acting like a child and lashing out and insulting everyone, including me, on their lack of intelligence. When you're the one who based your entire ridiculous rant on misreading a 5 letter word for a 3 letter word and even worse you wouldn't admit your mistake, instead blaming you eyesight on it and saying anyone who points your mistake out is being mean to you. Grow up dude.
I didnt lose fyi so it sounds like somebody just wants increase their post count while trying and failing to be whitty. I'm sorry that there is nothing to be done about your NEET status. Do you need someone to hold your hand while you cross the street back to reddit.
Because that would be a huge paywall in the current release structure to making toons viable.
A change like this would cause a huge divide and probably break the game.
Currently stars limit in game access, essentially limited usefulness, and that's it. Sure g12 is behind 7* but that's is almost nothing, g11 +4 is perfectly viable. All that can be done with a free toon, everything but raids and later phases of TB. This is a good balance.
Its not 7 stars its 6 stars for g11. I was allowed to put 2 pieces of gear on my sion and the rest is restricted until he is 6 stars. Im sorry but the fact you even bring up a paywall is laughable considering the number of marquees being sold atm. You put restrictions in some place in the name of "progression yet not in others. Lets just call it what it is you want people to zeta the toon to see how good she is in the hopes of enticing them to buy the shards to level her up. I mean if at 3 star she is that good at 7 she is a beast. I have already seen a full 7 star g12 zBastila in my arena.
So have I. If they lock zetas behind 7* and then only grant access to 7* for the first 4-6 weeks to people who $$. That is a pay wall. Currently there is no pay wall, any toon who is worth their salt in arena has been so at 3-4 stars, and allowing them to be zeta, is key to that and makes them viable for f2p. Sure they are better at 7 and that is an advantage that p2p get. It's a pretty fair system.
You must not be reading half of what I write because nowhere in any of my posts did I say zaetas should be locked behind 7*. I said I felt like 5 star is a reasonable level of stars to have before you can unlock zera abilities. The newest zetas hitting the toons are pretty much the equivalent of g11 gear. Look at how powerful they are. A 3 star toon should not be able to access it.
If it is ok for zetas to have no star restriction then why does gear have a star restriction? Riddle me that. Im guessing you wont be able to come up with a logical solution to as why gear gas star restriction but not zeta abilities. Under your thinking I should freely be able to finish putting the g11 pieces on my Sion without being told I habe to wait for 6 stars.
This six star thing you keep going on about, is it only on Sion? I've never seen gear gated at 6*, and my Sion is sat at gear VIII just now.
So no at the lower levels but yes at the higher.
You realize it says seven star required right? Not six star like you have been claiming.
You are right on my phone screen it looked to be six stars and now that makes it worse. 10 runs on the sion hard node not one shard dropped. Since people keep refuting the mutlitudes saying they are seeing worse drops with oh its been calculated at 30%. I did 3 seperate 10 runs on DN Sion and Baze got 2 shards. Out of the gear runs I received none of the gear I was farming for in 3 different 5 runs on hard nodes. I have started mapping the shard, gear drop, and ship shard drop. Not a single ship shard or gear I needed. Several in my alliance are doing the same to prove the drop rate on hard nodes is far below this 30% threshold now.
I don't see how it's physically possible for Seven to look like Six on your phone screen. Nor do I see how the drop rates are remotely related to your original point. It seems you're mad that others in your shard already have Sion zetad, 7*d and G12 and you don't, so you made a thread that is now making you mad at everyone else because we're all correcting you.
What I am mad about is people saying putting zeta behind 5* creates a paywall and yet im not allowed to put more then 2 pieces of G11 before the rest is locked behind 7 stars.
You can put more than two pieces of gear on a toon at gear 11 before it's locked. My first order executioner is 6 stars gear 11 and I have all but one gear piece equipped.
I'm all in favor of a toon having to being at a certain star level to open up the next set of gear tiers like
1* G1-2
2* G3-4
3* G5-6
4* G7-8
5* G9-10
6* G11
7* G12
How do stop whales from instantly gearing up to shut out ftp? So your saying ftp toons shouldn’t be useable until they are starred up? Ftp will just let all new toons rot away on thier roster, NO THANKS BAD IDEA.
It is restricted already g11 is restricted to 7 stars and above. I guess they allow you 2 pieces then it is restricted. So that fits your definition of locked behind a paywall quite nicely.
I’m not sure why this is a problem? If you have anyone of your characters with a zeta that does not have 7* then you are contradicting yourself. As Kyno stated it’s for a balance of FTP vs PTP. If you gated a zeta behind 5-7* then it would be 3-5months before FTP would have a marquee character with any viability in arena where their zeta would be the diciding factor for them. No sion Bastila nest bossk and so on. It would kill the game and be a clear PTW game. The way it is now makes the most sense.
You should look carefully my one character with a zeta is 6 stars not 7. Where everybody is getting this 7* from I have no idea. The mod guy is the one who said 7 I said 5 seems like an acceptable level to allow zetas. Nowhere I have posted that it should be 6 or 7 stars.
The main point is that in the current release structure is there is little to no difference between 5 and 7* restriction. It's a paywall to make a toon effective, and possibly viable for f2p. To quote scuba "bad".
Most who can afford to zeta a 3 star roon probably fit in whale the category already. Its not like zetas are lying around for everybody. Rhe whales take the rop spots in arena and fleet unless it is a dead shard with alot of inacrive account which I have heard people talking about. If any other f2p players shard looks like mine where I regularly run into 3+ zeta g12 squads in 700 to 1000 range. Then it takes them 2 to 3 days to have fleet credits for 1 zeta not counting the end of daily login.
Don't mean to keep posting on this thread but I just have to address this. It's completely false that if you have a zeta on a three star character, you are probably a whale. Whales would just take the character to seven stars. I have never spent a dime on this game and I have a zetad three star character. It takes me less than two days to buy a zeta from the fleet store.
I'm all in favor of a toon having to being at a certain star level to open up the next set of gear tiers like
1* G1-2
2* G3-4
3* G5-6
4* G7-8
5* G9-10
6* G11
7* G12
How do stop whales from instantly gearing up to shut out ftp? So your saying ftp toons shouldn’t be useable until they are starred up? Ftp will just let all new toons rot away on thier roster, NO THANKS BAD IDEA.
It is restricted already g11 is restricted to 7 stars and above. I guess they allow you 2 pieces then it is restricted. So that fits your definition of locked behind a paywall quite nicely.
I’m not sure why this is a problem? If you have anyone of your characters with a zeta that does not have 7* then you are contradicting yourself. As Kyno stated it’s for a balance of FTP vs PTP. If you gated a zeta behind 5-7* then it would be 3-5months before FTP would have a marquee character with any viability in arena where their zeta would be the diciding factor for them. No sion Bastila nest bossk and so on. It would kill the game and be a clear PTW game. The way it is now makes the most sense.
You should look carefully my one character with a zeta is 6 stars not 7. Where everybody is getting this 7* from I have no idea. The mod guy is the one who said 7 I said 5 seems like an acceptable level to allow zetas. Nowhere I have posted that it should be 6 or 7 stars.
The main point is that in the current release structure is there is little to no difference between 5 and 7* restriction. It's a paywall to make a toon effective, and possibly viable for f2p. To quote scuba "bad".
Most who can afford to zeta a 3 star roon probably fit in whale the category already. Its not like zetas are lying around for everybody. Rhe whales take the rop spots in arena and fleet unless it is a dead shard with alot of inacrive account which I have heard people talking about. If any other f2p players shard looks like mine where I regularly run into 3+ zeta g12 squads in 700 to 1000 range. Then it takes them 2 to 3 days to have fleet credits for 1 zeta not counting the end of daily login.
Don't mean to keep posting on this thread but I just have to address this. It's completely false that if you have a zeta on a three star character, you are probably a whale. Whales would just take the character to seven stars. I have never spent a dime on this game and I have a zetad three star character. It takes me less than two days to buy a zeta from the fleet store.
Yeah I was curious how Op thought whales were "buying" zeta's.
scuba I’m curious how you can buy a zeta in less than 2 day in fleet. Lol seems I have to buy 20 of those.
I never said I could. However I did infer from @Random9 comment it was meant to be zeta mat as rank 500 and above in fleet is 1k or more tokens.
My comment was about how whales are buying the zeta's and will be the only ones to have them as they are only available in the same place for all players. No zeta packs for $$ or crystals in my store.
scuba I’m curious how you can buy a zeta in less than 2 day in fleet. Lol seems I have to buy 20 of those.
I never said I could. However I did infer from @Random9 comment it was meant to be zeta mat as rank 500 and above in fleet is 1k or more tokens.
My comment was about how whales are buying the zeta's and will be the only ones to have them as they are only available in the same place for all players. No zeta packs for $$ or crystals in my store.
There was for a short period of time packs with Zetas being sold, but they were only available to Japanese players.
scuba I’m curious how you can buy a zeta in less than 2 day in fleet. Lol seems I have to buy 20 of those.
I never said I could. However I did infer from @Random9 comment it was meant to be zeta mat as rank 500 and above in fleet is 1k or more tokens.
My comment was about how whales are buying the zeta's and will be the only ones to have them as they are only available in the same place for all players. No zeta packs for $$ or crystals in my store.
There was for a short period of time packs with Zetas being sold, but they were only available to Japanese players.
Yeah I know about those, but P2P are more than just in Japan.
Technically, some could identify "whaling" on zetas by investing crystals on beefing up your fleet arena team, or investing crystals on battle refreshes to be able to lock yourself into Rank #1 on a daily basis. 1800 currency per day, plus the daily-reset rewards will earn you a full zeta per day. That's the extent to which I "whale" on earning zetas. I'm currently at-war with one other player in the fleet arena shard that competes during the same payout hour. But then, then rest of our team in our shared discord server work together to knock down our enemies to help each other maximize our rewards every day, so our "whaling" expenses don't cost as much. The same kind of benefit and value of coordination could be applied to regular arena rewards, or how guilds work together to maximize Pit/HAAT rewards for anyone without 7* RHan or GK. HSTR is a bit more of a FFA really, depending on who has the viable teams to be able to score at the top to begin with.
"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar." ~ Hoban Washburne
Technically, some could identify "whaling" on zetas by investing crystals on beefing up your fleet arena team, or investing crystals on battle refreshes to be able to lock yourself into Rank #1 on a daily basis. 1800 currency per day, plus the daily-reset rewards will earn you a full zeta per day. That's the extent to which I "whale" on earning zetas. I'm currently at-war with one other player in the fleet arena shard that competes during the same payout hour. But then, then rest of our team in our shared discord server work together to knock down our enemies to help each other maximize our rewards every day, so our "whaling" expenses don't cost as much. The same kind of benefit and value of coordination could be applied to regular arena rewards, or how guilds work together to maximize Pit/HAAT rewards for anyone without 7* RHan or GK. HSTR is a bit more of a FFA really, depending on who has the viable teams to be able to score at the top to begin with.
Except you don't have to "whale" to do that. I know many Ftp that get in top 5 daily in fleet.
Zeta acquisition rate is same for F2p as P2p for the most part of older players, yes there are some differences with new players.
Because that would be a huge paywall in the current release structure to making toons viable.
A change like this would cause a huge divide and probably break the game.
Currently stars limit in game access, essentially limited usefulness, and that's it. Sure g12 is behind 7* but that's is almost nothing, g11 +4 is perfectly viable. All that can be done with a free toon, everything but raids and later phases of TB. This is a good balance.
Its not 7 stars its 6 stars for g11. I was allowed to put 2 pieces of gear on my sion and the rest is restricted until he is 6 stars. Im sorry but the fact you even bring up a paywall is laughable considering the number of marquees being sold atm. You put restrictions in some place in the name of "progression yet not in others. Lets just call it what it is you want people to zeta the toon to see how good she is in the hopes of enticing them to buy the shards to level her up. I mean if at 3 star she is that good at 7 she is a beast. I have already seen a full 7 star g12 zBastila in my arena.
So have I. If they lock zetas behind 7* and then only grant access to 7* for the first 4-6 weeks to people who $$. That is a pay wall. Currently there is no pay wall, any toon who is worth their salt in arena has been so at 3-4 stars, and allowing them to be zeta, is key to that and makes them viable for f2p. Sure they are better at 7 and that is an advantage that p2p get. It's a pretty fair system.
You must not be reading half of what I write because nowhere in any of my posts did I say zetas should be locked behind 7*. I said I felt like 5 star is a reasonable level of stars to have before you can unlock zeta abilities. The newest zetas hitting the toons are pretty much the equivalent of g11 gear. Look at how powerful they are. A 3 star toon should not be able to access it.
Why?
Your rational is because you feel a zeta is equivalent to gear 10 or 11 and those have restrictions... and you dont feel a 3 star zeta should beat a 7 star zeta.
How are you coming to that?
The way i see it bastila doesnt beat a 7 star zeta. Bastila zeta grants buffs to a jedi team that makes GMY and ezra destroy a 7 star zeta team.
My guess is you arent seeing a 3 star bastila lead team of 3 star zeta jedi beating your team.
More over i am seeing 7 star zeta bastila teams at gear 12 in my shard and i walk on them with a modified sith meta. Love fighting them
Bastila teams live or die by the GMY sharing her buff and the taunts not being fractured.
Once yoda is down its academic. Unless the person has Nest or whaled and has 7 star jolee. If nest its dicey, if jolee... you take down bastila before jolee or he keeps healing
So i ask, what is your rational for why a strong leadership on a lower ranked toon shouldnt make other 7 star characters wipe the floor with your 7 star zeta team?
I think discussing the issue that keeps popping up throughout this thread is worthwhile, and that is game balance for 7* toons (whales) and <7* toons (not whales). Right now, G12/G12+ vs. G11 / mixed with G12, the AI is so bad and RPS is so prevalent in arena that the gap doesn't matter as far as lower gear winning. I do believe that will change though based on the gear paywall at 11/12 once G13 is introduced. I don't think you'll be able to run a team down 2 gear levels and still compete at a desired rate. Whatever the last gear piece provides in terms of a bump, combined with the G13 protection bump, and then also the G13 pieces (that will probably be very strong) will be too much to overcome. I'm really curious what CG's plan is here, cause to this point they've done all they could to minimize the benefit of spending on the competitive part of the game. Will they make the AI even worse? Will some new "zeta" like thing get introduced that takes on a greater importance than gear and makes up the gap and is available for F2P at lower star levels (SUPER zetas)? Will this restriction get removed eventually? This is probably some time away yet, but eventually ... the bell doth toll
I think discussing the issue that keeps popping up throughout this thread is worthwhile, and that is game balance for 7* toons (whales) and <7* toons (not whales). Right now, G12/G12+ vs. G11 / mixed with G12, the AI is so bad and RPS is so prevalent in arena that the gap doesn't matter as far as lower gear winning. I do believe that will change though based on the gear paywall at 11/12 once G13 is introduced. I don't think you'll be able to run a team down 2 gear levels and still compete at a desired rate. Whatever the last gear piece provides in terms of a bump, combined with the G13 protection bump, and then also the G13 pieces (that will probably be very strong) will be too much to overcome. I'm really curious what CG's plan is here, cause to this point they've done all they could to minimize the benefit of spending on the competitive part of the game. Will they make the AI even worse? Will some new "zeta" like thing get introduced that takes on a greater importance than gear and makes up the gap and is available for F2P at lower star levels (SUPER zetas)? Will this restriction get removed eventually? This is probably some time away yet, but eventually ... the bell doth toll
I would guess gear 13 and three pieces would come and that would be the new 7 star wall. I would guess gear 12 would then be allowed on 6 star characters.... basically for the exact reason you suggest.
I would also bet gear 12+ pieces and the final piece would become part of the stores (eventually). We probably would get a new raid to contain gear 13 pieces and it would be prohibitively hard based on how the sith raid is. I would guess staggered release on the pieces to the raid to encourage its continuous replay... oh and a traya killer character.
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Its a win-win for the comapny bottom line and customer satisfaction!
so of course someone had to go complain about it
So you can tell the difference between "Is" and "If" but not "Six" and "Seven"? I think my auto-correct error just proved my point that you're probably lying about your eye sight in order to try and save face. I was never "on your case" you were just acting like a child and lashing out and insulting everyone, including me, on their lack of intelligence. When you're the one who based your entire ridiculous rant on misreading a 5 letter word for a 3 letter word and even worse you wouldn't admit your mistake, instead blaming you eyesight on it and saying anyone who points your mistake out is being mean to you. Grow up dude.
You can put more than two pieces of gear on a toon at gear 11 before it's locked. My first order executioner is 6 stars gear 11 and I have all but one gear piece equipped.
Don't mean to keep posting on this thread but I just have to address this. It's completely false that if you have a zeta on a three star character, you are probably a whale. Whales would just take the character to seven stars. I have never spent a dime on this game and I have a zetad three star character. It takes me less than two days to buy a zeta from the fleet store.
Yeah I was curious how Op thought whales were "buying" zeta's.
If you have the fleet currency, you could just press the refresh shop button ya know?
Thought it was fairly obvious he meant a zeta mat.
My comment was about how whales are buying the zeta's and will be the only ones to have them as they are only available in the same place for all players. No zeta packs for $$ or crystals in my store.
There was for a short period of time packs with Zetas being sold, but they were only available to Japanese players.
Yeah I know about those, but P2P are more than just in Japan.
Except you don't have to "whale" to do that. I know many Ftp that get in top 5 daily in fleet.
Zeta acquisition rate is same for F2p as P2p for the most part of older players, yes there are some differences with new players.
Why?
Your rational is because you feel a zeta is equivalent to gear 10 or 11 and those have restrictions... and you dont feel a 3 star zeta should beat a 7 star zeta.
How are you coming to that?
The way i see it bastila doesnt beat a 7 star zeta. Bastila zeta grants buffs to a jedi team that makes GMY and ezra destroy a 7 star zeta team.
My guess is you arent seeing a 3 star bastila lead team of 3 star zeta jedi beating your team.
More over i am seeing 7 star zeta bastila teams at gear 12 in my shard and i walk on them with a modified sith meta. Love fighting them
Bastila teams live or die by the GMY sharing her buff and the taunts not being fractured.
Once yoda is down its academic. Unless the person has Nest or whaled and has 7 star jolee. If nest its dicey, if jolee... you take down bastila before jolee or he keeps healing
So i ask, what is your rational for why a strong leadership on a lower ranked toon shouldnt make other 7 star characters wipe the floor with your 7 star zeta team?
I would guess gear 13 and three pieces would come and that would be the new 7 star wall. I would guess gear 12 would then be allowed on 6 star characters.... basically for the exact reason you suggest.
I would also bet gear 12+ pieces and the final piece would become part of the stores (eventually). We probably would get a new raid to contain gear 13 pieces and it would be prohibitively hard based on how the sith raid is. I would guess staggered release on the pieces to the raid to encourage its continuous replay... oh and a traya killer character.