Sion torment ability vs Revan team

Ninjah9

This ability says the cooldown reduces for each opponent without pain. Several times while facing this team it will be sions turn, no enemies have pain and the the cooldown will still be two or three. Is anyone one else experiencing this glitch? Does EA know?

Ninjah9

Ninjah9

Enerdrizer

the cooldown is reduced just after using the ability

Krokovich

Cd goes down for every character that resists pain on the turn torment is used. Theres no check of who has pain at the beggining of Sions turn that will reduce the cooldown.

Metasly

Strategic Advantage clears debuffs if I recall correctly so it may be that pain got applied (and Held By Hatred cooldown reduced) and cleansed afterward

Ninjah9

That is not how the language of the ability describes it. It says for each enemy without pain the cd is reduced. Not the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain. There is a clear difference. They even have abilities structured around this dynamic like cls and mt. This is a mistake

DaPowerfulJedi

Deal Physical damage to all enemies and then dispel all buffs on them. Then, inflict Pain on all enemies for 3 turns. Reduce the cooldown of this ability by 1 for each enemy without Pain. This attack can't be Evaded.

If they don’t have pain, then they must have resisted it.

CaptainFizz

Read the spell detail above chronologically... Although it actually dispels then deals damage...

Dispel any buffs
Deal damage
Apply pain to all
Any enemies without pain reduces cooldown

So if you use it, and no enemies get pain on them, it reduces the CD by 5. (then once again the next time Sion takes a turn)

If you use it and one enemy gets pain, reduces cooldown by 4.

In all cases, as explained by other posters, the cooldown reduction ocurrs immediately after the skill is used. Not on next turn.

Metasly

Ninjah9 wrote: »

That is not how the language of the ability describes it. It says for each enemy without pain the cd is reduced. Not the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain. There is a clear difference. They even have abilities structured around this dynamic like cls and mt. This is a mistake

Nope you misinterpreted : the check on Pain presence or not is immediately after application, turing the same turn.
When it's cleansed afterward has no effect on Torment's cooldown.
Check the Held By Hatred cooldown : if it's reduced by more than 1 then Pain was applied

Ninjah9

Yeah so its imeadiately after. It should be more clear about that, that sucks

FailingCrab

Ninjah9 wrote: »

Yeah so its imeadiately after. It should be more clear about that, that sucks

When were you expecting the CD reduction to apply? At the start of Sion's turn? I can see how a quick reading of the ability description could read like that but the fact that the CD reduction is tied to the ability tells you that it applies when the ability is used.

Ninjah9

Yea I did

Ninjah9

It would make way more sense to just say the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain

Drazz127

Ninjah9 wrote: »

It would make way more sense to just say the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain

It's part of the special ability and not a unique. The pain check only applies when you use the ability.
If it was meant to reduce at the beginning of sions turn it would be a unique and say as such.

Metasly

Ninjah9 wrote: »

It would make way more sense to just say the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain

If Torment was avoidable the wording would have made a difference.

CamaroAMF

Ninjah9 wrote: »

It would make way more sense to just say the cd is reduced for each enemy that resists pain

That would change the ability though. It’s possible an enemy toon could have already had pain but resists the new application of pain. No cooldown reduction since the enemy has pain.