Reinvent Arena. It's time.

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Given its the 3rd year anniversary, can we have a serious discussion about the state of Arena?

No, this isn't a gripe about Revan (I've got enough screenshots of me pummeling his averageness), it's about what the mode has become - a stale, unimaginative playground where you use the same team as everyone else for 3 months until CG nerf the 'meta' with a new super duper toon.

When I started, you could theoretically beat any team using a clever combination of toons. There was Dooku or OB, Phasma, Vader, QGJ. Even after protection came in to play, you could top arena with a mismatch team. But CG 'fixed' the dodge meta, and on we moved.

Next up was coin flip Poe and fast ST Han, but at least that wasn't game breaking. (The big issues there was toons with the same speed - still an issue).

Then there was the paywalled introduction of everyone's favourite, Chaze via failed tournaments. This was swiftly countered by Thrawn.

But then! There was hope! Traya came along and she was great, but beatable. We had NS, CLS made a comeback anf hell even FO had a chsnce. Arena was more than 1 team replicated over and over from 1 to 50. Revan is a step back, and I fear the same 'fix' will occur - another OP toon that stops the current meta. It's akin to a sticking plaster on a gun shot wound this approach.

So here's my thought on a solution (and I await the rebuttals :)); change arena to operate in a similar fashion to a hybrid format that draws from the old Tournaments and TW. By this, you can set a defence team that cannot be the same as your attacking team. You can change the defence every 24 hours or use crystals/an arena challenge to do so. This, in my opinion, gives the opportunity for teams to shine and for toons (most of them recently released i.e Jango) to have some sort of relevance.

The way I see it working is pretty simple: if I choose to set Revan on D, that's who other players see when they are on the challenge screen. I can't attack with Revan and the 4 toons set on D, but I can use any other toons in my roster as many times as I like. Once I lock them on D they are there for 24 hours unless I pay the penalty to change. The reset for D teams can be on local payout.

I'm perhaps just rambling, but it's gone stale. Regardless of what toons you use

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  • I agree, arena is not what it once was.

    Your idea is interesting and creative and seems like a good way to introduce more diversity. I like it a lot.
  • Ultra
    943 posts Member
    I don’t want them to touch arena system because they’ll monetize it more and reduce crystal payouts or something
  • So before Revan it was diversity and everyone had a chance but now that has somehow changed.
    As somebody who does not have Traya or Revan I think that at least 95% of top 100 before Revan were either Traya or Palpatine lead Sith/Empire teams and that is now diversity that is same team depending on whater you had Traya or not.
    NS were nowhere near top 200 and they just made resurgence due in fact that there are Bastila and Revan teams out there.

    Now I think that arena needs improvement and the first one and only one for now would be to make payout once per day per shard perhaps at the same time game is updated (daily activities) and that would make all those battles more meaningful and achievement worth something.
  • I totally agree with op. A few months ago, we had trayas, cls, ns, jtr, ep, bastilla teams all over top 50.
    Now its only revan, with some traya/bastilla attempts.

    And as soon as Revan comes back, the top500 will be flooded with that op char.
    Making sonething ridiculously op is not the right way to make people pay.
  • At the start, no one knows who is best so you get diversity. Once everyone has everyone a meta establishes. Because the releases are so slow everyone just migrates to the new thing if it's deemed worthy. Only way to get some diversity is to spam some op toons and force people down different paths.
  • I would like to see restricted format arenas in addition to current arena. Think like the different MTG formats. For example:

    Day1 arena: can only use characters that were available when the game launched.

    Follower arena: can only use characters without leader abilities.

    Rotating limited: every week a random selection of 30 or so characters are selected and only those can be used.

    Each of these could have a limited crystal payout (like 100 for #1) or maybe have a cost of entry (50 crystals to join each day) with top 100 getting at least 50 crystals and higher ranks getting better payouts.

    Just a thought on how it could be spiced up a bit.
  • My shard is much more diverse now than it was pre-Revan. Before he came along it was just a wall of Traya or Palpatine, that was pretty much it.
  • Reyalp
    528 posts Member
    edited November 8
    Zinke7 wrote: »
    So before Revan it was diversity and everyone had a chance but now that has somehow changed.
    As somebody who does not have Traya or Revan I think that at least 95% of top 100 before Revan were either Traya or Palpatine lead Sith/Empire teams and that is now diversity that is same team depending on whater you had Traya or not.
    NS were nowhere near top 200 and they just made resurgence due in fact that there are Bastila and Revan teams out there.

    Now I think that arena needs improvement and the first one and only one for now would be to make payout once per day per shard perhaps at the same time game is updated (daily activities) and that would make all those battles more meaningful and achievement worth something.

    I perhaps should have clarified that I was talking, from my perspective, about top 50 and above. I bet it's great up beyond that, and probably even more on younger shards where variety reigns supreme, but mines is Dec 15, and it's the same toons; meta shifts and because we all have deep benches, everyone switches.

    I just think something needs to be done. Look at how many toons there is, and how many just don't work in Arena because of meta shifts. People just auto battles these days - tactics and building a squad to take on the rest is long dead.
  • I think arena is fine the way it is right now.
  • I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?
  • I’d actually love it if they’d add arena “seasons,” where you can only use toons released in the previous quarter or two. For me, that would keep things a lot fresher, and give me a reason to invest more heavily in newer characters that I usually put off farming (new BH, for example).
  • Reyalp wrote: »
    I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?

    Yeah, I don’t mind it.
  • Reyalp wrote: »
    I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?

    Yeah, I don’t mind it.

    Oh come on. Don't kid yourself. You're climb is probably the same as mine; traya, traya, revan, traya, revan. You know there's more toons in this game? Short of a complete overhaul of the other toons to make them useable, changing how arena works is the easier option. It's just boring. It's just crystal farming on easy mode
  • Ultra wrote: »
    I don’t want them to touch arena system because they’ll monetize it more and reduce crystal payouts or something

    I Stealth included some monetisation. The changing of D teams costing crystals. That plays on the desire everyone has for their team to hold on defence.
  • Reyalp wrote: »
    Reyalp wrote: »
    I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?

    Yeah, I don’t mind it.

    Oh come on. Don't kid yourself. You're climb is probably the same as mine; traya, traya, revan, traya, revan. You know there's more toons in this game? Short of a complete overhaul of the other toons to make them useable, changing how arena works is the easier option. It's just boring. It's just crystal farming on easy mode

    The Trayas and Revans mostly stay in my top 30. I’m usually around 30-60 and face the same RJT, CLS, and Palp teams every day. As I said, I don’t mind it.
  • I don't think arena needs to be redone, it generates good revenue and gives massive amounts of crystals to players. However, I do agree it has grown a little stale and a new PVP game mode would be really nice.
  • Reyalp wrote: »
    Reyalp wrote: »
    I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?

    Yeah, I don’t mind it.

    Oh come on. Don't kid yourself. You're climb is probably the same as mine; traya, traya, revan, traya, revan. You know there's more toons in this game? Short of a complete overhaul of the other toons to make them useable, changing how arena works is the easier option. It's just boring. It's just crystal farming on easy mode

    The Trayas and Revans mostly stay in my top 30. I’m usually around 30-60 and face the same RJT, CLS, and Palp teams every day. As I said, I don’t mind it.

    In my Nov 2015 shard there are Traya around ~200. Granted, not all G12 and 7*, but they are becoming more common on the oldest shards well outside the top 100. And they are not abandoned accounts, they are active.
  • Reyalp wrote: »
    I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?

    Your solution won't change much - people will figure out the "meta" defense team and BAM! you're trying to fight your way up thru a sea of them.
    Ultra wrote: »
    I don’t want them to touch arena system because they’ll monetize it more and reduce crystal payouts or something

    I wish they would - I hate arena. I reluctantly participate because there's a huge difference in progress between 150 crystals a day and 600 crystals a day. If arena stopped giving out crystals, I'd stop caring about it.
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  • I like this conversation.
  • FolsomTony wrote: »
    Reyalp wrote: »
    Reyalp wrote: »
    I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?

    Yeah, I don’t mind it.

    Oh come on. Don't kid yourself. You're climb is probably the same as mine; traya, traya, revan, traya, revan. You know there's more toons in this game? Short of a complete overhaul of the other toons to make them useable, changing how arena works is the easier option. It's just boring. It's just crystal farming on easy mode

    The Trayas and Revans mostly stay in my top 30. I’m usually around 30-60 and face the same RJT, CLS, and Palp teams every day. As I said, I don’t mind it.

    In my Nov 2015 shard there are Traya around ~200. Granted, not all G12 and 7*, but they are becoming more common on the oldest shards well outside the top 100. And they are not abandoned accounts, they are active.

    I'm in a January 2016 shard, and I second this statement
  • FolsomTony wrote: »
    Reyalp wrote: »
    Reyalp wrote: »
    I think arena is fine the way it is right now.

    So you're content fighting the same teams on repeat mode for 2-3 months?

    Yeah, I don’t mind it.

    Oh come on. Don't kid yourself. You're climb is probably the same as mine; traya, traya, revan, traya, revan. You know there's more toons in this game? Short of a complete overhaul of the other toons to make them useable, changing how arena works is the easier option. It's just boring. It's just crystal farming on easy mode

    The Trayas and Revans mostly stay in my top 30. I’m usually around 30-60 and face the same RJT, CLS, and Palp teams every day. As I said, I don’t mind it.

    In my Nov 2015 shard there are Traya around ~200. Granted, not all G12 and 7*, but they are becoming more common on the oldest shards well outside the top 100. And they are not abandoned accounts, they are active.

    I started the game Jan 2017 so my shard isn’t quite as old as yours or the OP’s.
  • leef
    10504 posts Member
    Arena has always been like this, its you who got bored with it.
    Save water, drink champagne!
  • leef wrote: »
    Arena has always been like this, its you who got bored with it.

    If something has always been a certain way, that’s a decent reason to be bored with it!

    Anyway, if this forum is any indication, boredom with the arena has become a pretty prevalent attitude among the player base. CG should be thinking about ways to spice it up.
  • CCyrilS
    1186 posts Member
    I would like to see restricted format arenas in addition to current arena. Think like the different MTG formats. For example:

    Day1 arena: can only use characters that were available when the game launched.

    Follower arena: can only use characters without leader abilities.

    Rotating limited: every week a random selection of 30 or so characters are selected and only those can be used.

    Each of these could have a limited crystal payout (like 100 for #1) or maybe have a cost of entry (50 crystals to join each day) with top 100 getting at least 50 crystals and higher ranks getting better payouts.

    Just a thought on how it could be spiced up a bit.

    Very interesting. What if we tweaked it a bit so that no toons were ever limited, but rather certain toons got temporary bonuses kind of like last TW. One neat thing is it would change before any meta could even be figured out and established, so a little thought on the players part would actually make a difference.
  • I agree rotating toons would be a nice idea.
  • I agree it needs to be redone some how. These people saying there's variety, there really isn't, not for the top 50. There are 5 teams that can compete in the top 5. A Traya Team, A Revan Team, a CLS/Chewbacca Team, a Bastilla Team, and a Nightsisters team. In the Top 100, you can add 2 more teams: A Nightmare Team and a JTR team.

    When you consider all of the characters in this game, and all of the combinations that can make up a team, it's not variety at all. There is almost zero ability to mental engineer an effective team outside of this meta. And all of these metas require real money to effectively obtain them during their stay atop the meta.

    Ewoks? Garbage. Troopers? Garbage. Rouge One? Garbage. Bounty Hunters? Garbage. Clones? Garbage. Phoenix? Garbage. And those are just synergy teams. Try mashing individual characters together? enjoy the top 500. It shouldn't be this way. It wasn't when I started. There were synergies then too, but you could mix and match characters to create your own competitive teams. That's what they need to get back to. They won't because if you use old characters they can't **** your wallet.
  • Waqui
    3554 posts Member

    Anyway, if this forum is any indication, boredom with the arena has become a pretty prevalent attitude among the player base. CG should be thinking about ways to spice it up.

    Now, that's a big 'if' for obvious reasons.

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