What is wrong with fleet arena
November 30, 2018 2:07PM
edited November 2018
Seriously! It got worse and worse...
Fleet arena always was way to much randomized. One time you get completely destroyed by an opponent and the very next try against the same opponent using the same strategy you win without losing one single ship.
But since the last update it feels the odds are not random anymore, but clearly against you.
My observations over the last few days:
- opponents ships evade damage twice as much as identical ships on my side
- hounds tooth breach works 50%of the time for me and 90% of the time for the opponent (identical or lower level ship)
- Damage dealt by opponents ships SIGNIFICANTLY higher (even when considering capital ship effects)
- Occasionally multiple attacks and stun effects by opponent without apparent reason
- Counter attacks of own ships not triggered
I could go on and on... at this point it is getting ridiculous. Fleet arena is making me want to quite the game for good.
Please dear developers: Reduce at least the impact of chance. At this point I feel like i am just rolling a dice and have to get a 6 to win.
Fleet arena always was way to much randomized. One time you get completely destroyed by an opponent and the very next try against the same opponent using the same strategy you win without losing one single ship.
But since the last update it feels the odds are not random anymore, but clearly against you.
My observations over the last few days:
- opponents ships evade damage twice as much as identical ships on my side
- hounds tooth breach works 50%of the time for me and 90% of the time for the opponent (identical or lower level ship)
- Damage dealt by opponents ships SIGNIFICANTLY higher (even when considering capital ship effects)
- Occasionally multiple attacks and stun effects by opponent without apparent reason
- Counter attacks of own ships not triggered
I could go on and on... at this point it is getting ridiculous. Fleet arena is making me want to quite the game for good.
Please dear developers: Reduce at least the impact of chance. At this point I feel like i am just rolling a dice and have to get a 6 to win.
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The other night, TIE Pilot used his special against my Geo Spy. Spy had full health and a 1/3 of protection but TIE wiped him out in one hit. HOW? He wasn't buffed, My Spy is a G11 7* fully maxed ship so that's just not right. My G12 Fully maxed TIE has NEVER managed anything like that hit on me. If I hadn't have snatch victory from the jaws of defeat on that battle I think it would have been the end for me. It's happened once to often and now I only play the One fleet battle to complete my dailies.
I seldom like to complain about games but Ships is unfairly balanced, always has been and is no fun.
Weird "bugs" can often be attributed to not fully understanding all the factors at play.
For instance, HT vs HT. If your Houndstooth goes first (you mentioned your ship being stronger), you're hitting the opposing HT while it still has a tenacity buff. By the time his ship goes, you have taunt and so lose the tenacity boost. Boom there's your Breach success rate.
Without more details, I can't tell you exactly what's happening, but turn order here would be Silencer - Vader - Biggs. The stun is just expiring.
However; Vader is clearly stunned when Biggs starts his attack. In squad arena, a character only un-stuns when cleansed or when it's actually their turn, regardless if someone else has 100% TM and RNG lets that someone else go first.
HT has extra tenacity when not taunting, if you target him, it is not likely to stick, or if Vader is present he will reduce the tenacity of TL toons. There are other factors at play and you may want to look into that.
Damage has variations and there are many factors there too. You should provide more details and generally speaking someone will help you see what you are missing.
Multiple attacks/stuns/ counters - again. There are multiple ways things like this can and cant happen all based on the situation, more details can help us help you.
It still simply doesn’t add up. I could start doing a deep dive analysis tracking all stats and results in a spreadsheet.
But bottom line is that without any other apparent chance my success rate has dropped from the winning 80% to loosing 80% of the time.
I would not call that a statistically normal standard deviation.
Again, without more details, I can't be sure, but if what you're saying is true, it may just be a visual glitch. Happens with stealth sometimes too. Biggs should pretty much never be going before Vader, setting aside TMR shenanigans.
Again, though, that makes sense since there's a targeting algorithm that would mean that outcome is likely each time.
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I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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If the enemy team has Kylo's Command Shuttle then reinforcements lose turn meter.
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"Track your numbers over a relevant sample size."
I haven't seen a single ship dodge other than ITF or Spy in the last week or so.
I looked very closely at all active effects, synergies, damage, defence, health etc. and it just does not make sense. My maxed out HT now seems to be even weaker and my maxed out TS hardly makes a dent into Sun Fac’s ship...
If the numbers don’t add up it has to be chance. But then why are the odds stacked against me. Enemy ships evade (especially when using a high damage attack) and I can be happy if my ITF dodges 25% of the time...
Sun Fac's ship has +60% defense when taunting, and receives +30% crit avoidance with 2 other geonosian allies. Did you consider this?
KRU stuns Sun Fac, Vader TL on him next. Biggs assist if able, if not basic, normally dead by the next move or two anyway. Move on from there.
HT as a reinforcement as well. The full gamut of "OP/Broken Ships 2.0"
I find silencers stun often doesn't work also when it should
The fact that it can be resisted doesn't mean it isn't working when it should.
Easiest claim to track is that the opponent dodge rate is not equal to 2%
I normally use about 25 to 35 turns per battle, I doubt it's too dissimilar on average for others. At this rate I'd expect 1 dodge on average about every 1 and a half battles (by ships without elevated evasion stats like TFP and Geo Spy).
To determine with a .95 confidence that the actual dodge rate is different from 2% you'll only need to record on the order of 2000 turns to detect an effect size of 3% (i.e. the true doge rate being over 5% rather than 2%). If you want to go further you'll need closer to 10000 to see an effect size of 1%. But 2000 turns shouldn't be difficult for you. That should only be about 13 days of recording at 5 battles a day. Just note down the number of attacks against enemies with a quoted dodge rate of 2% and the number of dodges for each battle until your total number of attacks is a bit over 2000. You could do the opposite for your ships and test for a difference between the two distributions too but you would also want to repeat maybe 3 times.
(as an aside I didn't actually stick any of these numbers in a calculator to check but they are conservative estimates you can check them here for example http://powerandsamplesize.com/Calculators/Other/1-Sample-Binomial)
There were a lot of other things mentioned, some of them sound like bugs if they are as described to you should only need to record a single example of them occurring and submit a ticket on Answers HQ. If you do record any you could also post here and people could comment on if they notice any game mechanics that explain what you are seeing.
Likely result... a lot of wasted time and nothing left to complain about so I wouldn't bother. However there was a bug in the GW matchmaking that has been shown quite often on the forums and the response of lots of the veterans here was a pretty universal (and condescending) "git gud". So if you do record any of these things and they are legitimate problems then the devs will almost certainly take note! (eventually)
Best of luck trying to solve your ship battle problems though do consider a bit more gear or a change of lineup, maybe that might also help.
You have to love some of the demeaning things some people respond with in the face of legitimate criticism, where you often see some sort of marginalizing statement, such as: "Quit crying, it used to be even worse!". Implying that because it was worse in the past it means you have no right to criticize..
This is getting ridiculous.
Video citation needed.
Zero of 4 possible debuffs on my end, 6/6 on his end. Still ended up winning but this was a bit ridiculous.
I thought cant be resisted was in the skill text
Geonosian ships are my favorite opponent......usually a 1min win