It seems that matchmaking still rewards guilds with lower participation. We're at 50/50 and only have to platoon 20 per node, so they are at 40 or 41. We're going to get *CRUSHED*.
Full strength, we're at 142M GP and they are at 169M GP. They have 2 people below our AVERAGE GP. Our top GP would be 8th in their guild. Our 8th is below their average GP.
They have 500 more G12 toons than us and 500 more zetas. They average about 25 G12/zeta per person, so even with 10 non-participants being average (and they're probably lower), they still have the equivalent of 50 extra fully zeta'd G12 teams than we have. (They also have a similar number of extra G11 toons, so 100 more teams with half the people having zetas.)
That's even ignoring they have 48 Trayas and 6 Revans to our 0 Trayas and 1 Revan.
We're going to lose, and it's because we got all our people to participate and got matched with a team that didn't.
We're 150mil and last TW we got paired with a guild at 180mil, the GP difference was just over 30mil. We won. Don't lose heart.
See above post. We got crushed.
This was pretty clear that they outmatched us in everything even considering the 40 vs 50. More G11, G12, zetas, mods, high impact characters, etc. All after adjusting for the missing 10.
Assuming we win in the end. Ya something seems wrong still. Our previous tw was close and came down to a few banners to win or lose. (We lost in the end) but it was very even and fun. This one has been so lopsided it borders on No fun.
So far it seems like we were put up against someone we're outmatching. We have cleared all but four of their territories and they spent quite a few squads too many finishing one front territory. And it seems like they gave up on the territory behind it as they have now switched to the other front territory.
There's still time but it's not looking good so far.
It seems that matchmaking still rewards guilds with lower participation. We're at 50/50 and only have to platoon 20 per node, so they are at 40 or 41. We're going to get *CRUSHED*.
Full strength, we're at 142M GP and they are at 169M GP. They have 2 people below our AVERAGE GP. Our top GP would be 8th in their guild. Our 8th is below their average GP.
They have 500 more G12 toons than us and 500 more zetas. They average about 25 G12/zeta per person, so even with 10 non-participants being average (and they're probably lower), they still have the equivalent of 50 extra fully zeta'd G12 teams than we have. (They also have a similar number of extra G11 toons, so 100 more teams with half the people having zetas.)
That's even ignoring they have 48 Trayas and 6 Revans to our 0 Trayas and 1 Revan.
We're going to lose, and it's because we got all our people to participate and got matched with a team that didn't.
We're 150mil and last TW we got paired with a guild at 180mil, the GP difference was just over 30mil. We won. Don't lose heart.
See above post. We got crushed.
This was pretty clear that they outmatched us in everything even considering the 40 vs 50. More G11, G12, zetas, mods, high impact characters, etc. All after adjusting for the missing 10.
We also got matched against a guild with 20 mill GP more, before the fix we got 10 times matched with guilds who had roughly +10 mill GP. So yeah great improvement at all and now start motivating your members with these matchups...
It would be nice to see them use the defense phase as the register phase.
Let ppl set defense not knowing the opponent the based off of who set defense... that's who registered. Players not defending get dropped
Then the match up and open attack phase
The match is much worse than before. We have 6 Traya and meet a guild with the same GP but 48 Traya most g12. They also have 15 revan so we are screwed. So much fun this is EA! <-sarcasm... Tw is a joke! It's only for whales
Sounds like your guild priorities aren't right...if you have the same Gp, but they have spent their time on good toons where you guys seem to not have planned as well,and the match making wai...it's not 20 trayas vs 20 trayas...it's two guilds that have comparable time played and powered teams,seeing who did better building their teams and strategizing. If you were down 30 mil GP, that's a different story.
According to the dsr bot and swgoh. gg, the matching system was WAY better this round. That said, our strategy this war turned out to be far superior than our opponents'. I'd say the new system is fine with me!
I don’t know how many people signed up in our opponents guild, but they have 109M GP and we have 73M GP. This is just as bad, if not worse of a matchup than we’re used to.
The match is much worse than before. We have 6 Traya and meet a guild with the same GP but 48 Traya most g12. They also have 15 revan so we are screwed. So much fun this is EA! <-sarcasm... Tw is a joke! It's only for whales
Sounds like your guild priorities aren't right...if you have the same Gp, but they have spent their time on good toons where you guys seem to not have planned as well,and the match making wai...it's not 20 trayas vs 20 trayas...it's two guilds that have comparable time played and powered teams,seeing who did better building their teams and strategizing. If you were down 30 mil GP, that's a different story.
This x1000
Now it was pretty even, almost no gp difference
121 VS 133. This was the smallest GP difference that Ive seen in months. 24 teams per field and we joined with 48 players.
Surprisingly, this time the enemy did not have 30+ G11 Trayas as usual compared to our 0. It might be that we just had less bad luck with matchmaking this time, but Ill credit the changes for this. So far Im happy with the adjustments.
All u can ask for is arena average to be even with close to average gp that’s a even fight based on abilities. GP is not created equal not to mention factoring in activity y my guild lost same arena average close but still a loss with 10mil more GP. Think would have won if went for ships and not weak Phoenix bait in front strategy but think they will learn if not upset those that take time for attack phase.
Same here (as usuall ) 70 mil gp v 120 mil gp isn't proper matching imo.
there will always be miss matchup in low gp range because 20 fighters for 60-70 mil not many guilds set up that way have to match them up and there arena ranking probably a lot lower than the 50 members for same gp range average gp will be much lower
This is the first time in a long long while we went up against a guild that had similar GP to us. Very surprising. However, they were a casual guild who's members would go to another guild once they were ready for Heroic Sith. It really didn't go so well for them. They had 1 Revan and 1 Traya in their guild. They didn't even make it past our front walls.
But, much better than us being put up against guilds that were 20-30 mil GP higher than us. But, we shall see how it goes.
Again, the problem is, you put too much emphasis in your algorithms for "GP". A 170 mil GP guild, even if 10 of its members don't sign up for TW, it goes up against a 140 mil GP guild, it will still have a much higher chance to destroy that lower GP guild. You're basically throwing a 10-year old in an MMA ring with a 25-year old and saying, "well, he only has one arm so it's totes fair!" That 170 mil GP guild is going to have more 7* Trayas, more Revans, more Meta teams with killer mods. It will have a much easier time getting through zones because the rosters will be better overall.
All u can ask for is arena average to be even with close to average gp that’s a even fight based on abilities. GP is not created equal not to mention factoring in activity y my guild lost same arena average close but still a loss with 10mil more GP. Think would have won if went for ships and not weak Phoenix bait in front strategy but think they will learn if not upset those that take time for attack phase.
I hope arena average has nothing to do with it. Not everyone tries to get the highest rank every day.
So far it seems like we were put up against someone we're outmatching. We have cleared all but four of their territories and they spent quite a few squads too many finishing one front territory. And it seems like they gave up on the territory behind it as they have now switched to the other front territory.
There's still time but it's not looking good so far.
Update on this: We ended winning 13319 to 7342. They had 8 fleets left,1 squad in the 2nd territory in the bottom row and two hidden territories behind that. They managed to defeat 34 of our squads across three territories.
All u can ask for is arena average to be even with close to average gp that’s a even fight based on abilities. GP is not created equal not to mention factoring in activity y my guild lost same arena average close but still a loss with 10mil more GP. Think would have won if went for ships and not weak Phoenix bait in front strategy but think they will learn if not upset those that take time for attack phase.
I hope arena average has nothing to do with it. Not everyone tries to get the highest rank every day.
Yes but decent teams don’t fall to 500. U don’t have to put that much time in to have a decent squad and top 100 one or 2 wins would be enough most will dodge u if u should be higher. There r times where I couldn’t move up and have chilled around 70s and even 60s but times change lol.
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See above post. We got crushed.
This was pretty clear that they outmatched us in everything even considering the 40 vs 50. More G11, G12, zetas, mods, high impact characters, etc. All after adjusting for the missing 10.
There's still time but it's not looking good so far.
We also got matched against a guild with 20 mill GP more, before the fix we got 10 times matched with guilds who had roughly +10 mill GP. So yeah great improvement at all and now start motivating your members with these matchups...
https://swgoh.gg/g/6666/wieaiaieliegi0e/
Let ppl set defense not knowing the opponent the based off of who set defense... that's who registered. Players not defending get dropped
Then the match up and open attack phase
Sounds like your guild priorities aren't right...if you have the same Gp, but they have spent their time on good toons where you guys seem to not have planned as well,and the match making wai...it's not 20 trayas vs 20 trayas...it's two guilds that have comparable time played and powered teams,seeing who did better building their teams and strategizing. If you were down 30 mil GP, that's a different story.
This x1000
Now it was pretty even, almost no gp difference
Surprisingly, this time the enemy did not have 30+ G11 Trayas as usual compared to our 0. It might be that we just had less bad luck with matchmaking this time, but Ill credit the changes for this. So far Im happy with the adjustments.
But, much better than us being put up against guilds that were 20-30 mil GP higher than us. But, we shall see how it goes.
Again, the problem is, you put too much emphasis in your algorithms for "GP". A 170 mil GP guild, even if 10 of its members don't sign up for TW, it goes up against a 140 mil GP guild, it will still have a much higher chance to destroy that lower GP guild. You're basically throwing a 10-year old in an MMA ring with a 25-year old and saying, "well, he only has one arm so it's totes fair!" That 170 mil GP guild is going to have more 7* Trayas, more Revans, more Meta teams with killer mods. It will have a much easier time getting through zones because the rosters will be better overall.
I hope arena average has nothing to do with it. Not everyone tries to get the highest rank every day.
Update on this: We ended winning 13319 to 7342. They had 8 fleets left,1 squad in the 2nd territory in the bottom row and two hidden territories behind that. They managed to defeat 34 of our squads across three territories.