Barriss was (accidentally?) double-nerfed.

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Qeltar
4326 posts Member
edited December 2015
Before today, Barriss seemed to heal based on a percentage of her own health. I thought this was intended, but it seems it wasn't, at least based on the descriptions at SWOGHCantina. This is part of why she healed so much.
It appears they fixed this to be a percentage of the target's health (as it should have been). That would probably have been enough to balance her (along with nerfing her base attack). But then they also cut the percentages.
So what this means is that some characters that were formerly healed for ~2800 are now being healed for 600 or 700. This is unacceptably low for a high-level character, especially one sold in a premium package.
They should either undo the percentage nerf or go back to basing it on her health instead of the target's. Because right now my gear VII 4* level 54 Barriss is healing some characters for less than my 3* Level 40 Consular was.
Quit 7/14/16. Best of luck to all of you.

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  • Agree
  • Akaryn
    58 posts Member
    edited December 2015
    It just means that she won't bring your valuable glass cannons from last-breath-blood-spitting-dying to full health anymore. I think it makes more sense to base it upon the champ's health. Seems still pretty beastly when combined with a high-hp-tank that she can bring back after he took some punches.
    But that's not the current meta of all the P2P, aye? :wink:
    Rethinking strategy here, I'd say 1 tank 1 heal (barris) 1heal/supp 2 attackers will become a very legit strategy that they are building towards! (which seems very well thought through)
  • Although she got nerfed really bad, but she is still valuable in the team because of her large pool of health. Besides that I got the feeling she hits more and heal more often by her basic attack than previous update. Maybe that is how they compensate.

    Speaking from a person who buys Barriss off the pack as well.
  • Qeltar
    4326 posts Member
    They just buffed AoE characters and made Barriss essentially useless against AoE damage. Much as I like her, I will soon have to replace her.
    Her main heal has been overnerfed. Given that healing is ALL SHE DOES, having a heal that weak is unacceptable.
    Quit 7/14/16. Best of luck to all of you.
  • Yes
    145 posts Member
    They are just trying to balance her heals, so all the people that have been complaining got what they wanted, a nerd on barris. Everyone asked for it read the forums. She'S now equalized with consular and lum, now the fight is on. It's a strategy game not a hear you go pay some money and just dominate, it takes thought. It's great.
  • Yes wrote: »
    She'S now equalized with consular and lum, now the fight is on. It's a strategy game not a hear you go pay some money and just dominate, it takes thought. It's great.

    Captain, my captain! :smile:
  • As someone who didn't mind facing Bariss, but didn't buy her, I'd say she is still very valuable in pve and gw...she will make things much much easier to 3* at higher levels once they unlock, thus easier to farm mats. Her leadership ability is still very good. I do think her heal was too much, not sure about post nerf
  • Qeltar wrote: »
    Before today, Barriss seemed to heal based on a percentage of her own health. I thought this was intended, but it seems it wasn't, at least based on the descriptions at SWOGHCantina. This is part of why she healed so much.
    It appears they fixed this to be a percentage of the target's health (as it should have been). That would probably have been enough to balance her (along with nerfing her base attack). But then they also cut the percentages.
    So what this means is that some characters that were formerly healed for ~2800 are now being healed for 600 or 700. This is unacceptably low for a high-level character, especially one sold in a premium package.
    They should either undo the percentage nerf or go back to basing it on her health instead of the target's. Because right now my gear VII 4* level 54 Barriss is healing some characters for less than my 3* Level 40 Consular was.

    Nobody can disagree with this logic. You know things are bad when F2P players like myself feel bad for those who paid exorbitant amounts of money to purchase Bariss and upgrade her so this is not good business EA, regardless of her nerfs......
  • Skye
    795 posts Member
    Akaryn wrote: »
    Rethinking strategy here, I'd say 1 tank 1 heal (barris) 1heal/supp 2 attackers will become a very legit strategy that they are building towards! (which seems very well thought through)

    What strategy? just throwing in Darth Maul.. You'll be done.. or build a first order team!
    Former crazy person of the guild "Shard Awakens"... *quit game 13th July 2016*

    Game used to be fun when it wasn't a grind... if I wanted a grind I would have went and played old school Everquest or some Korean MMO!
  • Qeltar
    4326 posts Member
    Except only spendy pack gamblers can get Darth Maul.
    Barriss should have been adjusted slightly. Not destroyed.
    Quit 7/14/16. Best of luck to all of you.
  • Darth Maul is not really a "strategy" at all; at least for defense it isn't. Even a high-star'ed Darth Maul can be defeated within one round of a lvl 54 competing against lvl 60. While I love borrowing him in PvE, I'm not quite so sure about PvP. Granted, once he gets through my champs fall like flies :)
  • Time
    293 posts Member
    Now people wont use bariss as much which makes me sad, and this game harder. As someone who doesn't have bariss and wouldn't use her if i did I'm puzzled by this seemingly excessive nerf. Always had more problems with dooku, wish they would have toned his speed down.
    Imo lumi was a stronger overall hero then bariss pre nerf, now she is just a useful hero not a lineup staple. They should have buffed her damage to compensate a bit.
  • J7000
    2059 posts Member
    Time wrote: »
    Now people wont use bariss as much which makes me sad, and this game harder. As someone who doesn't have bariss and wouldn't use her if i did I'm puzzled by this seemingly excessive nerf. Always had more problems with dooku, wish they would have toned his speed down.
    Imo lumi was a stronger overall hero then bariss pre nerf, now she is just a useful hero not a lineup staple. They should have buffed her damage to compensate a bit.

    People don't realize how easy chewie and Bariss made Galactic War lol
  • Qeltar
    4326 posts Member
    They should have either made her heal based on her health with the lower percentages, or based on the target's health with higher percentages. Not both.
    Nobody cares about damage from Barriss, that's not why she is there. But right now she's a healer who doesn't do much healing when it is needed and has no other special ability.
    Quit 7/14/16. Best of luck to all of you.
  • Akaryn wrote: »
    Darth Maul is not really a "strategy" at all; at least for defense it isn't. Even a high-star'ed Darth Maul can be defeated within one round of a lvl 54 competing against lvl 60. While I love borrowing him in PvE, I'm not quite so sure about PvP. Granted, once he gets through my champs fall like flies :)

    Pretty sure anyone could 1hit your 3* team
  • Time
    293 posts Member
    J7000 wrote: »
    Time wrote: »
    Now people wont use bariss as much which makes me sad, and this game harder. As someone who doesn't have bariss and wouldn't use her if i did I'm puzzled by this seemingly excessive nerf. Always had more problems with dooku, wish they would have toned his speed down.
    Imo lumi was a stronger overall hero then bariss pre nerf, now she is just a useful hero not a lineup staple. They should have buffed her damage to compensate a bit.

    People don't realize how easy chewie and Bariss made Galactic War lol

    Yes and unfortunately most people have given up chewy on higher lvls... So i guess now we need to see more obi wans or fetts lol. Even in arena those chars gave me more probs then bariss, although obi did get a little nerf there it seems.
  • Barriss' Force Healer was never based off of her own health. It was always based off the Max Health of each character getting healed. I mentioned that in my Barriss post a week ago.
  • Qeltar
    4326 posts Member
    You know what? I just looked back at your thread and the images in there. You are correct. My thread is incorrect.
    The percentages were just so much higher before that I never noticed.
    At any rate, I just used Barriss in GW and it is said how ineffective her heal is now. At the same time they boost Sith AoE damage, they made the healing specialist horribly bad at dealing with AoE damage. Annoyingly short-sighted move.
    Quit 7/14/16. Best of luck to all of you.
  • Slushie
    425 posts Member
    edited December 2015
    That's what happens when they listen to the free players complaining about Barriss who they view as a P2W character.

    Nerf to Barriss and buff to Sidious which is considered the top tier character available to F2P players.

    It would seem the buff to Sidious was done to appease the F2P players but a lot of them are still complaining only now it's about the buff to Sidious because they realise they don't have teams strong enough to handle his damage boosts :p

    I'm not directly affected by the Barriss change since I never used her, but I can see how frustrating it is for others.
  • The only thing **** than what they did to Barriss was buffing Sidious. When a guy is already considered a "must have" and "the first thing you should get from X" you don't make him even stronger.
    Quit 7/14/16. Best of luck to all of you.
  • To be fair, the buffs to Sidious, Maul, and Vader were in response to the fact that at end level play there was no real counter to an all Jedi team which when fully geared/levelled is beast mode.

    I always missed Sidious' AoE damage from back in beta after the game launched so I kind of like the damage buff, but they have gone a bit too high with the evade chance.
  • Would not have purchased the heroine bundle as she stands now. Will ask for a refund. There is game changing policy but this feels very unfair particularly for a feature character who we had to fork out the price of a triple A game for.
  • The forums are getting nerfed now. They closed the other bariss thread and removed "refund" from the title rofl. The wave of refunds has put EA/Capital Games in panic mode. SHUT IT DOWN!
  • Barrok
    1754 posts Member
    I hope they unnerf her and remove her from all users who purchased her and got a refund and don't make her able to be purchased again lol
  • J7000
    2059 posts Member
    That's because you can be reimbursed by Google for your purchases or your children's purchased and file a complaint with Google regarding the vendor. Don't let capital get away with this and write Disney, Google, and Lucas films ltd
  • All we wanted nerfed was the heal through immunity. She's supposed to heal more than other healers.
  • Shizmoo wrote: »
    The forums are getting nerfed now. They closed the other bariss thread and removed "refund" from the title rofl. The wave of refunds has put EA/Capital Games in panic mode. SHUT IT DOWN!

    I love it...I've been following these forums all day just waiting for them to finally bite. It's been entertaining and hope they learn from their mishap
  • NachoFoot wrote: »
    All we wanted nerfed was the heal through immunity. She's supposed to heal more than other healers.
    She still does, by a large amount. If Lumi's Elegant Steps worked the way the description suggests I'd understand the complaints (which would still be pitiful by comparison because No One Left Behind works better off Barriss's still insanely high HP). But for heal over time, Barris still pushes out more HP than any other character. She's still got a big heal just like all the other healers. Just not as big. So, now, if you want her to be a massive heal over time healer, you have to put her in a leader position. Works for me: I'm tired of seeing chewie in the lvl 40s. You have to choose now. Do you want high heal over time or do you want that extra critical chance/defense buff/etc etc etc. Barriss was way over powered. Anyone who didn't buy her can tell you that.

    Its a little sad when the only healer worth bringing in a F2P game is part of a $50 purchase. And thats all I'm really reading from these complaints. Its not "I bought Barris and they nerfed her" that people are saying. Its "I paid $50 to win".
  • Eh, what i heard was "i bought barriss and want a refund. So i can get free barriss."
  • Fher
    188 posts Member
    *Bump*

    For those newbies, like myself, that were not around when the Barriss nerf happened.
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