Grand Arena: no

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As I, and no doubt countless other people mentioned weeks ago, basing matches on GP is a set-up for failure.

I have an opponent now, I have the same teams, but one 'small' problem: all his/her teams are completely superior. Minimum 10k GP higher, clearly higher gear etc. I used up four teams alone attacking one, the lowest powered, and still can't beat that team, and there are 4 others to beat higher/much higher GP.

Best solution: quit. There's no point stressing myself further.

Hop next time the tables are turned and my opponent is clearly weaker.

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  • Waqui
    8802 posts Member
    If you have matching (character) GP, then your opponent simply developed a better roster than you — better for Gran Arena and TW, that is.
  • Dk_rek
    3299 posts Member
    OP of year IMO

    Grand arena NO ! !!!!!!

    Us fluff guys can have fun in TB clicking deploy best .000000001 second of enjoyment EVER that the team offers us “flufferz”
  • I had the complete opposite. My opponent got basically crushed so utterly that it was silly.

    I don't understand the point of this game mode. It's not fun, it doesn't give good rewards, and it further burdens us with even more time consumption.
  • Dk_rek
    3299 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    Vohbo wrote: »
    I had the complete opposite. My opponent got basically crushed so utterly that it was silly.

    I don't understand the point of this game mode. It's not fun, it doesn't give good rewards, and it further burdens us with even more time consumption.

    Its horible worst thing in game but time consumption is 10000000% not one of the bad things about it.....
    There is literally no time consumption over72 hrs

    I wouldnt have a poblem with the rewards except them giving the winner the modulators geting more of the other 3 items is enough....
  • Level up heroes you don't need, to help your guild in TB, and then a year later get punished for it, by people who couldn't give a crap about their guild. Makes sense to me.... not.
  • Nayr_Taurant
    51 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    So, i along with several people from my guild are getting royally screwed.

    In my case, and similar for others, i have been playing since launch day 3 years ago, and have about 4.4 million GP. I've spent a lot of time and effort (not to mention money) building up all my characters. not only because i like collecting, but as a guild we'd made a conscious effort to max for TBs... as a guild we're in the 190+ million GP range. i have lots of teams, and several viable teams. What do i get matched with? some person who hasn't bothered to level up/gear up his bottom 1/4-1/3 of his roster- and the literal remainder are all G12, basically maxed. we have nearly the exact the same GP, but his active viable GP is as if they were probably 400k higher if they'd filled out their bottom roster like i and others have. the exact same thing happened on the first day when it was crashing.

    i realize you need some method of match making, and i'm not sure what a better solution might be, but within the bounds of what we have, can you set it up to exclude from the calculation the bottom, say, 30% of our rosters, so it actually pairs equally??? maybe do a 1st calculation based on actual, so we're not paired with a 5MM uber whale, but run a 2nd calculation based on viable teams?

    thanks
  • Vohbo wrote: »
    I had the complete opposite. My opponent got basically crushed so utterly that it was silly.

    I don't understand the point of this game mode. It's not fun, it doesn't give good rewards, and it further burdens us with even more time consumption.

    Have you seen the rewards from the prestigious quests? 5 zeta’s & 10 omega’s from ONE quest is good imo..
  • These aren’t the normal rewards. This isn’t even the normal grand arena. It’s just a test run. Read up on what it’s actually going to be like.
  • I have the exact same problem as you.. I am not playing since start, but long enough to have all the old, and in the past useable characters 7*, and on decent gear. I have 3,4 MGP, and now i am matched up twice with the same GP player, but he has far more G12 characters with 270+ speed Revan team which i cannot beat. You are clearly punishing old players with this matchmaking system, and non the less f2p players (as am i) are f-d. For me it was the first (not counting the bug start of this play mode), and the last time i joind in to this. Its just too frustrating..
  • So you want to be only matched against people you'll beat? Gotcha

    I realise that you'll have a long complex answer as to why you think you've not said that, but that's how your complaint reads.
  • no, that's not what i said at all. and no i don't expect to win every fricking time. what i do expect is to have a fighting chance based on the time and effort i've put into the game, and as it stands i and many others have no fighting chance.
  • If you've been in since day 1, and spend money, you should have the 12 teams necessary for any GA victory. You can't say you've spent any more or less time and effort than someone else - they've just specialised by the sounds of it, whereas you're a generalist and/or completist. The closer the match the more mirrors there's going to be, which would be way worse.
  • Imo learn how to play with the enemy teams weeknesses. My opponent for example did put a full g12 full zeta FO Team for defense. I beat them with g11 zFinn, G11 Poe, g12 ResTrooper and G11 ResPilot.
    His JTR Team got 3-manned by my CLS/Han/Chewie etc.
  • Waqui
    8802 posts Member
    What do i get matched with? some person who hasn't bothered to level up/gear up his bottom 1/4-1/3 of his roster- and the literal remainder are all G12, basically maxed. we have nearly the exact the same GP, but his active viable GP is as if they were probably 400k higher if they'd filled out their bottom roster like i and others have. the exact same thing happened on the first day when it was crashing.

    i realize you need some method of match making, and i'm not sure what a better solution might be, but within the bounds of what we have, can you set it up to exclude from the calculation the bottom, say, 30% of our rosters, so it actually pairs equally???

    You DID get matched equally. You opponent just developed his roster better for TW/GA than you did.

  • I don't understand players who complain that "it isn't fair" because someone developed there team better than you did. It's how the game works.
  • Naz83 wrote: »
    I have the exact same problem as you.. I am not playing since start, but long enough to have all the old, and in the past useable characters 7*, and on decent gear. I have 3,4 MGP, and now i am matched up twice with the same GP player, but he has far more G12 characters with 270+ speed Revan team which i cannot beat. You are clearly punishing old players with this matchmaking system, and non the less f2p players (as am i) are f-d. For me it was the first (not counting the bug start of this play mode), and the last time i joind in to this. Its just too frustrating..
    Ur obviously not a arena player to be impressed by 270 speed on a 4 mil arena account have yodas in my shard with 268 and way farm below ur gp haven’t even been on 85 for 2 months u been playing for 3 years and can’t match that speed?
  • BucMan55
    246 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    The only change i would make would be to use the GP of the top 6 per squad required for that matchup. So if you needed to set 5 defensive squads it would be top 60(gotta remember offensive squads). If you only required two squads, it would be top 24. I like the +1 to act as sort of a buffer so it considers more than just the slots for the squads. Depth behind that should count, but after a certain point it doesn't matter anymore.
  • Damodamo
    1574 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    I’m f2p I just cleared my opponents 6 teams while he still has my stronger three defense teams to clear, how did I do that you say... I looked at my opponents roster, figured what would be on defense and made sure I kept counter teams for offense, then left defense of what I had left that would be annoying to beat..
    I even managed to keep my traya team for offense, planning, that’s all..
    I’m at 3.4 mil and in a 190 mil guild as well..
    It almost sounds op that you fluffed your gp to make yourself look bigger And badder than your roster really is..
  • Damodamo wrote: »
    I’m f2p I just cleared my opponents 6 teams while he still has my stronger three defense teams to clear, how did I do that you say... I looked at my opponents roster, figured what would be on defense and made sure I kept counter teams for offense, then left defense of what I had left that would be annoying to beat..
    I even managed to keep my traya team for offense, planning, that’s all..
    I’m at 3.4 mil and in a 190 mil guild as well..
    It almost sounds op that you fluffed your gp to make yourself look bigger And badder than your roster really is..

    I'm probably closer to the OP in terms of more roster width than depth, but I also looked at what my opponent had and what teams he could conceivably use and chose accordingly. The top 10 or so of his roster were probably all higher than my highest, but my synergy teams carried the day. Course, he chose ZVader over ZPalpatine to lead his Empire/Sith defense so that helped.
  • Reyalp
    738 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    You can't blame the matchmaking for the choices you, or others have made in this game.

    If like me, you focus pretty much on arena, then you're set. If you focused on TB/Raids then probably not so much. GP is GP - how you built teams is your problem, not the Devs
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  • Huatimus
    3669 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    Dk_rek wrote: »
    OP of year IMO

    Grand arena NO ! !!!!!!

    Us fluff guys can have fun in TB clicking deploy best .000000001 second of enjoyment EVER that the team offers us “flufferz”

    I really don't think you understand what a flufferz is. Either that or you're providing too much information about yourself that I really didn't need to know!
  • If you don't like the mode, just sign up, put up your defense and forget about it. After 2 days, collect your 2nd place rewards which are basically free for you and stop complaining :)
  • jroos100 wrote: »
    If you don't like the mode, just sign up, put up your defense and forget about it. After 2 days, collect your 2nd place rewards which are basically free for you and stop complaining :)

    With autodeploy, only need to set up defense once.

    That said, total GP is very bad indicator for GA - I suspect a lot of the time this will produce rather onesided matchups. Of course, if the algorithms start matching winners with winners and losers with losers, things may get a bit more balanced eventually (not sure if that was the case, maybe its just my wishful thinking).
  • Ryejin wrote: »
    Level up heroes you don't need, to help your guild in TB, and then a year later get punished for it, by people who couldn't give a crap about their guild. Makes sense to me.... not.

    Yup. Literally two weeks before GA was announced, my guild asked everyone who could to fluff as much as possible so we could get the last star in LS TB, and we did! I ended up with just over 4M GP, to set me up for failure in GA and have to set an additional defensive squad. (wahhh wahhhhhhh)
  • 2smooth wrote: »
    Naz83 wrote: »
    I have the exact same problem as you.. I am not playing since start, but long enough to have all the old, and in the past useable characters 7*, and on decent gear. I have 3,4 MGP, and now i am matched up twice with the same GP player, but he has far more G12 characters with 270+ speed Revan team which i cannot beat. You are clearly punishing old players with this matchmaking system, and non the less f2p players (as am i) are f-d. For me it was the first (not counting the bug start of this play mode), and the last time i joind in to this. Its just too frustrating..
    Ur obviously not a arena player to be impressed by 270 speed on a 4 mil arena account have yodas in my shard with 268 and way farm below ur gp haven’t even been on 85 for 2 months u been playing for 3 years and can’t match that speed?

    To further reinforce 2smooth's point, I've been playing for just under a year (started just before last Christmas) and am at less than 2mil GP. My revan is 303 speed, with two others on my arena team 270+. At 3.4mil you should have the mod roster to deal with that.

    That's not an issue of whale vs not.
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  • Just post defense, wait til it's over. If enough players do this it will either be removed like tournements or fixed.
  • Boov
    604 posts Member
    It's good to keep in mind that in the final event you're competing vs more than 1 player, with an increasing chance of facing a more equal opponent each round.
  • Maybe I am not big enough for this to he a problem yet, but so far my opponents have been people who developed their arena teams fully. These teams are 110k GP. They also tend to have one to two teams above 90k. But after that they have a thin roster. I have 9 70k teams I can use. Depth is helping me way more than it hurts me.
  • #notmygrandarena
  • Not every mode can be a strong area for each player. In fact, I’m sure whales are the only ones for that. This mode is good for those who emphasized pvp modes like arena and TW. For those who emphasize pve like raids and TB, it’s harder, but that’s alright. Everyone gets their area and we can’t win them all. No big deal. Just focus on where you want to win and let everything else be spill-over. That’s how I got my arena team and it’s been working just fine for almost a year now (I came back after a hiatus)
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