The easiest solution is to not come up with a roster-based algorithm at all. Have both the matchmaking and the reward tiers be based on the players’ actual prior performance in GA events. Everybody is making this harder than it needs to be.
Then you get people tanking their ranking so they can go on winning streaks. That's just as bad.
I will say, the problem you’re pointing out is a serious one in chess tournaments, but it’s because of the usual reward structure there. At most tournaments, only the winner of the entire, say 1400-1600 section, receives a cash prize at all. As a result, somebody with a true rating in the low 1400s has an incentive to play down, get placed in the 1200-1400 division, where they have a realistic chance of collecting a smaller prize, as opposed to playing in their true division and having effectively zero chance of winning anything.
GA doesn’t have to have this problem, because it is structured so that every player gets some rewards
Its really funny how people complain about every single **** because theyre simply to bad..... at the start most players complained about ,,time investment - theyve feared that Ga needs to much extra time'' now when they figured out that GA isnt that much of a big deal, uve found urself something new to complain about xD ... just from my point of view ...im a dolphin playing for like 9 month now, spending like 10 euro per month so not that much of a big deal..that beeing said, im very very active since day 1 and always played very competitive....right now im just stomping m,y whole GA shard...there are only 2 players that cvould contest my teams ...but i got more and better ones....so actually GA is the best area to get rewards if u picked urself a smart farming route, if you spred your roster to thin and got 20 useless teams instat of 3-10 really good ones - that your own fault
If your unsatisfied with your current standing - go create a new account and do things better next time
Its really funny how people complain about every single **** because theyre simply to bad..... at the start most players complained about ,,time investment - theyve feared that Ga needs to much extra time'' now when they figured out that GA isnt that much of a big deal, uve found urself something new to complain about xD ... just from my point of view ...im a dolphin playing for like 9 month now, spending like 10 euro per month so not that much of a big deal..that beeing said, im very very active since day 1 and always played very competitive....right now im just stomping m,y whole GA shard...there are only 2 players that cvould contest my teams ...but i got more and better ones....so actually GA is the best area to get rewards if u picked urself a smart farming route, if you spred your roster to thin and got 20 useless teams instat of 3-10 really good ones - that your own fault
If your unsatisfied with your current standing - go create a new account and do things better next time
You're only 9 months in tho, it gets worse. I'm not complaining because I've lost tho, I've easily destroyed all the opponents before and fully expect to this round.
But when I have 100 characters above g7, and 35 of those basically maxed out, it's just not as fun that 6/8 of my current opponents have about 4 g12 characters, and only about 40 above g7 or so. Not to mention that I have triple the zetas ..
I can likely 3 man all of their teams, and they won't even break a zone.
So yea, it's in my favor for now, but it's an unfair match.
The easiest solution is to not come up with a roster-based algorithm at all. Have both the matchmaking and the reward tiers be based on the players’ actual prior performance in GA events. Everybody is making this harder than it needs to be.
Then you get people tanking their ranking so they can go on winning streaks. That's just as bad.
If you notice, ppl on the forums count the number of their highest 2-3 gear tiers and their zetas to see how they match up to opponents. They could easily Match with that.
Or.. counting all characters over a certain gp (Like 6k power like TW) seems like it could also work, but with a smaller player pool, it would need to be higher, like over 10k power (roughly g8).
Thoughts? 👀
Uhh... I'm one of the ones that said to do that, so... I think I like it? :P
Its really funny how people complain about every single **** because theyre simply to bad..... at the start most players complained about ,,time investment - theyve feared that Ga needs to much extra time'' now when they figured out that GA isnt that much of a big deal, uve found urself something new to complain about xD ... just from my point of view ...im a dolphin playing for like 9 month now, spending like 10 euro per month so not that much of a big deal..that beeing said, im very very active since day 1 and always played very competitive....right now im just stomping m,y whole GA shard...there are only 2 players that cvould contest my teams ...but i got more and better ones....so actually GA is the best area to get rewards if u picked urself a smart farming route, if you spred your roster to thin and got 20 useless teams instat of 3-10 really good ones - that your own fault
If your unsatisfied with your current standing - go create a new account and do things better next time
What if you want to actually face strong competition? I honestly haven't even really looked into how GA works though. I really think I am an outlier that no matter what they do they would struggle to handle. The one thing saving this match making thing for me is that some match ups I face will have Revan which evens things out a bit. I think I need to either hold my scoundrels for offense, finish ns or build a traya team that doesn't use thrawn that can beat it. That will be my project for this weekend.
Its really funny how people complain about every single **** because theyre simply to bad..... at the start most players complained about ,,time investment - theyve feared that Ga needs to much extra time'' now when they figured out that GA isnt that much of a big deal, uve found urself something new to complain about xD ... just from my point of view ...im a dolphin playing for like 9 month now, spending like 10 euro per month so not that much of a big deal..that beeing said, im very very active since day 1 and always played very competitive....right now im just stomping m,y whole GA shard...there are only 2 players that cvould contest my teams ...but i got more and better ones....so actually GA is the best area to get rewards if u picked urself a smart farming route, if you spred your roster to thin and got 20 useless teams instat of 3-10 really good ones - that your own fault
If your unsatisfied with your current standing - go create a new account and do things better next time
What if you want to actually face strong competition? I honestly haven't even really looked into how GA works though. I really think I am an outlier that no matter what they do they would struggle to handle. The one thing saving this match making thing for me is that some match ups I face will have Revan which evens things out a bit. I think I need to either hold my scoundrels for offense, finish ns or build a traya team that doesn't use thrawn that can beat it. That will be my project for this weekend.
I want a competition aswell - but right now GA is farely new - and i like what theyve done so far. Its always easy to say ,,things could be better'' but thats only your point of view - the things that would benefit you - may not benefit other players - as always the developers had to find a way to satisfie all players. The main thing is, there are a lot of players who doesnt really know how to mod theyre chars..or even go for speed secondary mods...people posting here forget about one thing, there are only like 10% of all goh players actually using this forum...(my guess) the people that post here are most likely all competitive and got some further knowledge...so basicly what youre asking for is to ignore the lower 90% playes and aim for the wishes of us, the 10% that are using these forums...I think GA will be competitive at some point...this is only the first round - so if im right - you will face other players with the same score like u had in the next GA - so if u win all battles ull most likely challenge people who've won all theyre battles aswell. Maybe it wont be exactly like that - but there will be some competition...the second thing is...try to have a look from your opponents point of view...if your really that ahead - and they like the competition - then you are a huge wall to pass for them....which is actually what youre asking for...theres always someone in a shard thats far better then the rest...im pretty sure ull have some easier GA rounds and some that are really hard, that you wont be able to win. So give it a little time folks
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I will say, the problem you’re pointing out is a serious one in chess tournaments, but it’s because of the usual reward structure there. At most tournaments, only the winner of the entire, say 1400-1600 section, receives a cash prize at all. As a result, somebody with a true rating in the low 1400s has an incentive to play down, get placed in the 1200-1400 division, where they have a realistic chance of collecting a smaller prize, as opposed to playing in their true division and having effectively zero chance of winning anything.
GA doesn’t have to have this problem, because it is structured so that every player gets some rewards
If your unsatisfied with your current standing - go create a new account and do things better next time
You're only 9 months in tho, it gets worse. I'm not complaining because I've lost tho, I've easily destroyed all the opponents before and fully expect to this round.
But when I have 100 characters above g7, and 35 of those basically maxed out, it's just not as fun that 6/8 of my current opponents have about 4 g12 characters, and only about 40 above g7 or so. Not to mention that I have triple the zetas ..
I can likely 3 man all of their teams, and they won't even break a zone.
So yea, it's in my favor for now, but it's an unfair match.
Uhh... I'm one of the ones that said to do that, so... I think I like it? :P
What if you want to actually face strong competition? I honestly haven't even really looked into how GA works though. I really think I am an outlier that no matter what they do they would struggle to handle. The one thing saving this match making thing for me is that some match ups I face will have Revan which evens things out a bit. I think I need to either hold my scoundrels for offense, finish ns or build a traya team that doesn't use thrawn that can beat it. That will be my project for this weekend.
I want a competition aswell - but right now GA is farely new - and i like what theyve done so far. Its always easy to say ,,things could be better'' but thats only your point of view - the things that would benefit you - may not benefit other players - as always the developers had to find a way to satisfie all players. The main thing is, there are a lot of players who doesnt really know how to mod theyre chars..or even go for speed secondary mods...people posting here forget about one thing, there are only like 10% of all goh players actually using this forum...(my guess) the people that post here are most likely all competitive and got some further knowledge...so basicly what youre asking for is to ignore the lower 90% playes and aim for the wishes of us, the 10% that are using these forums...I think GA will be competitive at some point...this is only the first round - so if im right - you will face other players with the same score like u had in the next GA - so if u win all battles ull most likely challenge people who've won all theyre battles aswell. Maybe it wont be exactly like that - but there will be some competition...the second thing is...try to have a look from your opponents point of view...if your really that ahead - and they like the competition - then you are a huge wall to pass for them....which is actually what youre asking for...theres always someone in a shard thats far better then the rest...im pretty sure ull have some easier GA rounds and some that are really hard, that you wont be able to win. So give it a little time folks