Is this how you remember Episode IV?

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

Started mid-FEB 2017, and not trying to reach the top.

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  • Click
    Bait
    How? Sorry, no, it isn't.

    Making Leia great is perfectly fine, making it more fast paced is also fine.

    But making Luke look like a clumsy **** throughout the whole thing, and Han being afraid of her isn't exactly funny.

    If all 3 main characters were clumsy and goofy, it'd be ok.

    Han kicking Chewie into the chute was actually one of the best parts. You can kick your best friend, but no outsider can. Granted she isn't an outsider later, but at this point in the trilogy, they just met.
    When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

    Started mid-FEB 2017, and not trying to reach the top.
  • Every week Disney finds a new way to **** me off.
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  • President_Palpatine
    99 posts Member
    edited February 2019
    OMG. I understand what they are trying to do, and I have nothing against females, but you don’t make females look strong by making the males look like they can’t hit air with a blaster. You make them do what a male can, because women can too.
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  • How to make your heroes strong regardless of gender outside of the Disney way: self-sacrifice. To surrender one's life for purposes of saving others is nobility at its finest.

    The Disney way: woman tolerant, man clumsy. The man has to be terrible to highlight human flaws (not afraid to show weakness) and the woman has to be strong to overcome the man's clumsiness (to do for others what they can't do). Problem is this makes it seem like a mother-child relationship and in Disney world, all the mothers are usually dead...
    "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...mostly"
  • Boo
    4134 posts Member
    Leia has always been a strong and capable character.

    She never needed other characters to look like fools in order to stand out herself. Clearly this version of Leia does require others to look like incompetent fools - very sad.

    This is not only insulting to other characters, but to the character of Leia herself.
  • Click
    Bait
    How? Sorry, no, it isn't.

    Making Leia great is perfectly fine, making it more fast paced is also fine.

    But making Luke look like a clumsy **** throughout the whole thing, and Han being afraid of her isn't exactly funny.

    If all 3 main characters were clumsy and goofy, it'd be ok.

    Han kicking Chewie into the chute was actually one of the best parts. You can kick your best friend, but no outsider can. Granted she isn't an outsider later, but at this point in the trilogy, they just met.

    click·bait
    /ˈklikbāt/
    noun (informal)
    (on the Internet) content whose main purpose is to attract attention and encourage visitors to click on a link to a particular web page.

    Posting a YouTube link with no supporting discussion explaining why you are posting said link requires that the reader click on said link to find out what your point is. Such a post is exactly designed to attract attention to the link and encourage visitors to click it. Quite clearly clickbait by definition, and the wise reader does not carelessly click any link shown to them. Had you included some kind of discourse about whatever the link contained and why it might be interesting for a reader to view your linked video, then my response would be much different.

    TLDR follows.

    Now regarding the content of said video ... I think they overdid it. This could have been an amusing cartoon short highlighting the hero that is Princess Leia. Obviously satire, there were bits that were funny, but there were also bits that were not. I think the writers went too far right out of the gate, and that set a negative tone for the entire sequence.

    Luke busts into Leia's cell and tells her she is being rescued. Her reaction would suggest that she didn't need rescuing ... say what? Of course she did, she was locked in a cell on the Death Star and about to be Terminated at Tarkin's order. She is in need of immediate rescue! Strong cartoon Leia should immediately jump up and charge into the breach, not treat Luke like an unnecessary complication to her master plan.

    Leia did take charge of the escape from the detention block, nobody would argue that. That move did make the boys look like fools, even in the film, but this short skips the fact that it was a locked trash compactor that was going to kill them, turning Leia into the fool and requiring Luke to rescue them. Had that aspect been included, perhaps the fanboy rage would have been reduced. After all, they all made mistakes and all had their shining moments; this is why we loved them in the original.

    The bit about Luke getting all tangled in his cable is kinda funny. In the film, he is messing with that thing for an awfully long time, considering all the shooting going on. The cable trick did work and he ultimately succeeded in his heroic swing to freedom, but this short skips that bit and leaves the viewer thinking Leia did all the rescuing.

    The problem people have with this short is that it not only skips all the Luke/Han heroics, but it looks as if Leia did all the heroics and the boys were just ****. Piling this on top of the complete disemboweling of Luke's character in TFA is more than the fanbase is willing to put up with. To then caveat it with "It's just a kids' cartoon, lighten up" is a bit disingenuous.

    HOWEVER, this is just a highlight reel focused on the bits Leia did, so it skips the bits where maybe she failed to be a shining beacon of perfection and also skips the bits where the boys were smart. If you view it in that light, it really is not so bad. In fact, it's pretty good. It's that initial reaction to Luke that fails to set the tone and causes the fan reaction.
  • Boo
    4134 posts Member
    Click
    Bait
    How? Sorry, no, it isn't.

    Making Leia great is perfectly fine, making it more fast paced is also fine.

    But making Luke look like a clumsy **** throughout the whole thing, and Han being afraid of her isn't exactly funny.

    If all 3 main characters were clumsy and goofy, it'd be ok.

    Han kicking Chewie into the chute was actually one of the best parts. You can kick your best friend, but no outsider can. Granted she isn't an outsider later, but at this point in the trilogy, they just met.



    The problem people have with this short is that it not only skips all the Luke/Han heroics, but it looks as if Leia did all the heroics and the boys were just ****. Piling this on top of the complete disemboweling of Luke's character in TFA is more than the fanbase is willing to put up with. To then caveat it with "It's just a kids' cartoon, lighten up" is a bit disingenuous.

    This.
  • Boo
    4134 posts Member
    At the end of the day, whenever the franchise goes through some turbulent times it always and successfully falls back on the OT.

    When Kenner were set with a new toy line up for TPM, merchandising fell very short from expectations. Other than Kenobi, QGJ and Maul the rest of the movie toys were of podracing and political figures, which did not speak to the youth and encourage toy/merchandise sales at the time.

    What did Kenner do? It fell back on the OT and made a new series of toys based on the OT characters to drive toy and merchandise sales.

    Now after TLJ and Solo, Lucasfilm/Disney are doing the same thing with these animated shorts based on the OT. These animated shorts have also sprouted their own toy line - again OT characters, which will encourage growth in sales of merchandise etc. I am sure we have all seen and witnessed Star Wars toys finding their way into dollar stores or other discounted stores being sold at unprecedented low prices - so going back to the OT makes sense - it has worked in the past, so why not?

    However, the last thing the fanbase needs right now is to return to the OT characters only to give them further disservice, it is really just exacerbating the already dire situation with the fanbase - not a smart move.
  • EA_Cian
    971 posts EA Staff (retired)
    Folks if we can't have this conversation without turning it into a discussion over how they're representing the men vs the women in it, the conversation will have to be locked. If you don't like the video, that's okay - but let's have that conversation without turning to a discussion of how its representing characters based on their sex.
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