[MEGA] General Grievous’ Leadership and Damage Clarifications

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  • So in other words it's just a bad rework. Dang, what a bummer.
  • Nauros wrote: »
    Gr1evous wrote: »

    We have to give CG the credit for making a really intelligent rework, characters that are not even closely based on speed secondaries to be used on its maximum potencial, and great looking characters and mechanics.

    I'm just going to react to this part. Think about the interactions they gave us - they admitted themselves that the -50% def on GG lead is useless at least for B1. Furthermore, damage that can't defeat characters actually can defeat two of them due to stupid kit interactions, making this clause useless for half of the team. That's not something I would call "intelligent".

    They are not sayinig it is useless, they are saying that the -50% doesnt have a great impact on B1 cause he is high on penetration, therefore, they already have a huge damage on characters without a really high defense.
  • Gr1evous wrote: »
    Nauros wrote: »
    Gr1evous wrote: »

    We have to give CG the credit for making a really intelligent rework, characters that are not even closely based on speed secondaries to be used on its maximum potencial, and great looking characters and mechanics.

    I'm just going to react to this part. Think about the interactions they gave us - they admitted themselves that the -50% def on GG lead is useless at least for B1. Furthermore, damage that can't defeat characters actually can defeat two of them due to stupid kit interactions, making this clause useless for half of the team. That's not something I would call "intelligent".

    They are not sayinig it is useless, they are saying that the -50% doesnt have a great impact on B1 cause he is high on penetration, therefore, they already have a huge damage on characters without a really high defense.

    Sure, we can split hairs and argue about the difference between not having a great impact and having no impact at all. Make it almost useless, then.
    My other point still stands, though. That's just mind-boggligly stupid.
  • Dwest wrote: »
    CG promises a revan killer and that turned out to be a lie but on the same day they make the remaining old republic toons farmable. Looks like we know what the next meta is. Clear case of false advertising here in hopes that we burned through our resources just in time for the next hot toon. Wish I had all my zetas and gear and crystals back. Not impressed 1/10 would not recommend

    Totally nailed it in this post. They set everyone up with super hype for GG rework so everyone blindly spent their precious resorces just in time to release the next meta so everyone who spent their resources and want to be viable with the next meta in arena will have to spend mounds of cash. Sinister giggles can be heard from the meeting rooms if you listen closely
  • ShaggyB
    2369 posts Member
    edited February 2019
    Please include your mods and the team you are fightings stats too.

    Consider let Game changers release footage from test accounts as they do a better job showing the character in scenarios we players will run.

    If you fear they cant handle it, then either help them with information like this post or your characters kit is garbage and needs to be reworked before release.

    While your post here is a good step... you basically sold the community a jedi killer that isnt really a jedi killer in a traditional sense. Thats basically false advertising and it should alarm you that so many people are feeling screwed by that.

    So while this is a great step to making it right in the future, what are you doing for the community today to fix this?
  • Kyno
    32087 posts Moderator
    Kyno wrote: »
    To be fair, they wouldn't need to make a whole forum post clarifying how GG's damage works and everything if they had just said "20% of his max health" from the beginning or even put it in the description of his kit. I know they said "based" and that confused me for a while, but after seeing the test footage I assumed that they must have really meant max health = damage dealt. Some up-front clarification about what "based on" means or, again, a stipulation in his kit to clarify, would have gone a long way to avoid people feeling misled when his damage output was more lackluster in practice.

    b4ia2v3c6wix.png

    The term" based on" means they use that as a base for the calculation.

    take the example of rent. the price is based on 2 people sharing the room. meaning you take the base price and divide it by 2, getting what you should pay.

    if this was as other have expressed, the price being based on 2 people sharing the same space would be to pay double rent for 2 people sharing the same space.
    his damage is based on his max health, you take his max health and multiply by 20% to get the damage. this % could have been anything and is likely picked to keep a balance to his damage as his health stacks, but also giving decent damage if you max him out for health in every way.

    Wow, way to be condescending. I'm pretty sure I speak English okay considering it's my first and only language, but thanks for wasting your time providing the dictionary screenshot and the pedantic explanation of a simple term.

    Like I said, when they said "based on" pre-release I remember wanting some more clarification since that wording is too vague, but I assumed it would come with the kit reveal. When the kit didn't clarify and test footage showed 60k hits on a character who can be reasonably assumed to have 60k health after mods at g12+, I and many others went "huh. Guess it must be health==damage after all?"

    All I was saying was the wording is vague and clarification would've gone a long way towards preventing some of the fallout.

    Just fyi, (max health * 100%) is still a calculation that is "based on" max health per your own definition. It's not unreasonable to assume that that could have been the intent behind the wording in GG's kit. It IS unreasonable to assume that people who were expecting that are just brainless or don't understand English.

    If it was 100%, one would expect the wording to read "equal to his max health".

    At no point did I express that anyone didnt understand English, I was just trying to be thorough since there seemed to be a misunderstanding of what may not be a commonly used phrase. Also there are players from around the world, and I dotn expect everyone to be a native English speaker, some times phrases like that get lost in translation.
  • Congratulations on the worst rework in SWGOH History, saved my zetas and gear, took b1 and Droideka to 7* to see 3 toons from either CLS, Chewie and Han, Triumverate, and Revan, GMY and Ezra can beat GG...

    The videos were misleading, this needs action to as a minimum allow zeta refunds on the main GG team as they are pointless, even with maxed gear and mods they still have little use or viability.....

    We need a proper explanation other than re-explaining the kit and what action is being done about it?

    I have contacted the EA help desk with the standard response, so i have shared my feedback here, my next step is to seek a refund from Apple Store as no one seems to care about the customer in this game that has spent money on something that was in my view a waste of money on a useless set of new toons, they are no fun and give no enjoyment = as a customer I want a refund or the problem rectified....

    The reason I keep playing is for the community but Im seriously considering quitting as it is the first time I feel cheated by the videos and hype, it is at best disappointing....
  • Mostly the problem is the expectations of the community did not match the outcome. Unlike some other reworks, gg and droids were highly anticipated and hyped, mostly because of Ahnahld and because people seem to like grievous and droids more. The community was expecting them to be better than they are and CG (once again) didn’t listen to what the community wanted and released a fairly stinky pile of poo compared to what the community was expecting. It’s not that there is something wrong with gg and the droids, it’s simply that they got overhyped and didn’t live up to the hype.

    If you compare this to the BH rework, there wasn’t nearly as much hype for the BHs and what we got was pretty much what the community expected. Not so in the case of gg.
  • Intrapidoo wrote: »
    Gr1evous wrote: »
    To all these people hating grievous so much because you expected him to be instant meta, i think we should not forget that this is a rework that is coming to stay, for now we only have 5 separatist droids, including myself xD, and there are many more options that can be added and make this team even better, I've seen footage of the actual team beating revan teams consistently, even if they cant hold on defense, which i think could be fixed by just giving B1 the hability to dispel the marked whenever he loses any stack of batallion, which would make it pointless to focus him on the beggining. If B1 is not under direct focus from revan this team could make a lot of trouble even on defense, but we have to wait and gear them all up. But i dont think it deserves to expend money on leveling and gearing this 2 characters for now.

    But on thing is clear and I think it is that the separatist are here to stay and become a viable team with lots of expectations for the future of this game.

    We have to give CG the credit for making a really intelligent rework, characters that are not even closely based on speed secondaries to be used on its maximum potencial, and great looking characters and mechanics.

    And to those that are complaining about the video footage, i think you have been fooling youselves with that, I think it was pretty clear watching that footage that most of the times you were losing 2 or even 3 droids during the battle, and the grievous damage was going up because of that, and it was pretty clear that focusing B1 would make it pretty easy to beat this team, if you didn't want to see that cause you were too excited to think that this would be a new unbeatable meta from day 1, then i have to say my friends "You are doomed"

    We have to give credit for what exactly? I truly believe that CG needs to suffer the consquences of a bad business decision and see their money pool dry out for a relatively long time. They should refund everything they destroyed in protection of their golden boy revan. All the gear, zetas, skill mats...everything and on top of that every single player should receive atleast 1000 crystals and a sorry from CG. Especially those who spent a lot of resources on this new droid team. Also everyone from the communication department of CG should immifietly start working with the community as to what we actually want, because apparently an average player who plays the game for 3-4 months is more knowledgable than the brain behind all these reworks and such.

    Wow.

    Just... wow.
  • If you really want to put gg has the video you show us, just had to gg habikities the buff of +50% damage against jedi.
    I think this would make gg a jedi killer and can be counter against other teams like traya or cls, but at least he could be a really jedi kilker.

    Also his damage isnt based on max health has its written, its based on 20% of his max health has someone has shown the math.
    Do it properly pls cg.

    Im so mad at me, i embraced the hype train and put resources on gg next time you wont catch me on this.
  • Dnoff423 wrote: »
    Well....they could have just given them new helmets instead I guess..... Oh wait they've done that before...

    That's right! Just ask for Helmets and you'll be happy!
    #CloneHelmets4Life...VICTORY!!!! :smiley: "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." The more you tighten your grip, CG/EA, the more whales will slip through your fingers (and go F2P or quit).
  • What. A. Joke.

    At least I am certain I am never going to spend any more money on this game game, not that they care about us anyway. The whales still will.
  • "Based on" and "Equal to" are not the same. :)
  • There are several things that needs fixed. Here is one glaring one. Opponent has -40% CDA. Why?

    Two toons B1 and Droideka can’t critically hit. So what purpose would it be to add that when nearly half of the team can’t take advantage of of bonuses?

    Focusing on offense would have been better like this: Whenever an enemy uses an ability outside of their turn , all Separatists allies gain 5% offense and 5% CDA (stacking) until the end of their next turn.

    At least something like that would help beat Revan teams with all the assists. Helps them absorb more damage and hit them with a nasty attack their next turn.

    Again, there should never ever be a Leader ability where it doesn’t let all specific faction members take advantage of it. B1 and Droideka with not being a belt or critically hit is just plain stupid.
  • Gunner21
    4 posts Member
    edited February 2019
    Unpopular opinion: this thread is hilarious.

    If you don't have the critical thinking to wait for a hyped character to be confirmed strong before dumping all your resources, or were just willing to put blind faith in biased opinions of content creators, I don't have much sympathy for your disappointment. Except for that guy demanding refunded Zetas and at least 1000 crystals in compensation. He clearly has a firm grasp of reality. I would like to kindly request similar compensation.

    It's 2019, shouldn't we be aware by now that every single gaming product on the market is incredibly over-hyped before launch? You can't blame CG for following market trends, how else are they meant to compete?

  • Monel
    2734 posts Member
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    To be fair, they wouldn't need to make a whole forum post clarifying how GG's damage works and everything if they had just said "20% of his max health" from the beginning or even put it in the description of his kit. I know they said "based" and that confused me for a while, but after seeing the test footage I assumed that they must have really meant max health = damage dealt. Some up-front clarification about what "based on" means or, again, a stipulation in his kit to clarify, would have gone a long way to avoid people feeling misled when his damage output was more lackluster in practice.

    b4ia2v3c6wix.png

    The term" based on" means they use that as a base for the calculation.

    take the example of rent. the price is based on 2 people sharing the room. meaning you take the base price and divide it by 2, getting what you should pay.

    if this was as other have expressed, the price being based on 2 people sharing the same space would be to pay double rent for 2 people sharing the same space.
    his damage is based on his max health, you take his max health and multiply by 20% to get the damage. this % could have been anything and is likely picked to keep a balance to his damage as his health stacks, but also giving decent damage if you max him out for health in every way.

    Wow, way to be condescending. I'm pretty sure I speak English okay considering it's my first and only language, but thanks for wasting your time providing the dictionary screenshot and the pedantic explanation of a simple term.

    Like I said, when they said "based on" pre-release I remember wanting some more clarification since that wording is too vague, but I assumed it would come with the kit reveal. When the kit didn't clarify and test footage showed 60k hits on a character who can be reasonably assumed to have 60k health after mods at g12+, I and many others went "huh. Guess it must be health==damage after all?"

    All I was saying was the wording is vague and clarification would've gone a long way towards preventing some of the fallout.

    Just fyi, (max health * 100%) is still a calculation that is "based on" max health per your own definition. It's not unreasonable to assume that that could have been the intent behind the wording in GG's kit. It IS unreasonable to assume that people who were expecting that are just brainless or don't understand English.

    If it was 100%, one would expect the wording to read "equal to his max health".

    At no point did I express that anyone didnt understand English, I was just trying to be thorough since there seemed to be a misunderstanding of what may not be a commonly used phrase. Also there are players from around the world, and I dotn expect everyone to be a native English speaker, some times phrases like that get lost in translation.

    Moonwalking at its finest.
  • There are several things that needs fixed. Here is one glaring one. Opponent has -40% CDA. Why?

    Two toons B1 and Droideka can’t critically hit. So what purpose would it be to add that when nearly half of the team can’t take advantage of of bonuses?

    Focusing on offense would have been better like this: Whenever an enemy uses an ability outside of their turn , all Separatists allies gain 5% offense and 5% CDA (stacking) until the end of their next turn.

    At least something like that would help beat Revan teams with all the assists. Helps them absorb more damage and hit them with a nasty attack their next turn.

    Again, there should never ever be a Leader ability where it doesn’t let all specific faction members take advantage of it. B1 and Droideka with not being a belt or critically hit is just plain stupid.
    The critical damage avoidance and defense penetration are things CG put in his leadership to make it look a lot better than it really is, because both of those stats are virtually worthless.
  • Just add "all droid allie's gain 30% turn meter when an enemy gets exposed" to GG leader hability and everybody will stop complaining about GG and Finn :wink:
  • I just don’t understand how CG justifies that a team that has a Crappy lead (Pre-rework Non zeta Grievous), a crappy tank (Useless pre-rework non-zeta magnaguard), hits like a wet noodle, is still better than their so called ”Rework” if the previous team was better, it’s basically a Nerf... Not a buff which is what they selled to the community.

    Isn’t that Bait and Switch? 🤔
    Is that a fair business practice?

    Am I missing something here?


  • Wow. More ****.
  • I just don’t understand how CG justifies that a team that has a Crappy lead (Pre-rework Non zeta Grievous), a crappy tank (Useless pre-rework non-zeta magnaguard), hits like a wet noodle, is still better than their so called ”Rework” if the previous team was better, it’s basically a Nerf... Not a buff which is what they selled to the community.

    If you watch that video closely the only character doing meaningful damage is Chewie. Maybe GG just needs a friendly Wookie at his back to take over the Arena. I also think people need to try him with other droids like BB-8, T3M4, L337, etc. to see what happens. Even if the droid separatists are pretty disappointing, it doesn't mean there aren't viable squads that can be made.
  • CLSJedi
    111 posts Member
    edited February 2019
    Yup what a great rework make droids suck up more resources
    I'm starting to really not like this game anymore. Leaving us with one team that controls arena if you don't have one ship your fleet is crap.
  • Is the problem really GG and the rest of the seps? Or is it power creep? There’s always been meta and best of the moment but I felt traya was a power creep killer that had to be outdone by Revan. Now we’re in the viscous circle because anything less is viewed as garbage. Honestly I can’t be overly upset about this faction failing against the 2 best metas because of what it would mean to power creep had it succeeded. Nevermind what’s to come in a few weeks.
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