Kit Rework: Bastila Shan (Fallen)

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  • Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger
  • Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger

    No, they will always be applied. That's how locked buffs work. You cant prevent them in anyway.
    "ARE WE BLIND? DEPLOY THE GARRISON."
  • Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger

    No, they will always be applied. That's how locked buffs work. You cant prevent them in anyway.

    That is just not correct
  • Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger

    No, they will always be applied. That's how locked buffs work. You cant prevent them in anyway.

    That is just not correct

    No you are not correct
    "ARE WE BLIND? DEPLOY THE GARRISON."
  • Tbirds01
    1235 posts Member
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger

    No, they will always be applied. That's how locked buffs work. You cant prevent them in anyway.

    That is just not correct
    @Sarithlekith look at JTR, JKR, revan, and Traya. The kit descriptions for every single locked debuff in the game (besides thermals) says it cannot be resisted. It’s kind of like turn meter removal. Vader TM cannot be removed, even against attacks that are unresistable TMR. So like in unresistable debuffs, those cannot be resisted, which override dark bastila’s CBM.
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  • VonZant
    3843 posts Member
    VonZant wrote: »
    So, she gets abilities with can't be evaded, cant be resisted, and can't be dispelled. And we haven't even seen the leader ability yet.

    Eesh.

    That's what I was thinking. But then again, for users who aren't getting Darth Revan the first go around can continue to utilize Badstila but even more so now. 👍

    Yep. I dont see how she isnt a win condition on almost any team now. Plug and play.

    We will see.
  • Tbirds01 wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger

    No, they will always be applied. That's how locked buffs work. You cant prevent them in anyway.

    That is just not correct
    @Sarithlekith look at JTR, JKR, revan, and Traya. The kit descriptions for every single locked debuff in the game (besides thermals) says it cannot be resisted. It’s kind of like turn meter removal. Vader TM cannot be removed, even against attacks that are unresistable TMR. So like in unresistable debuffs, those cannot be resisted, which override dark bastila’s CBM.
    Tbirds01 wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger

    No, they will always be applied. That's how locked buffs work. You cant prevent them in anyway.

    That is just not correct
    @Sarithlekith look at JTR, JKR, revan, and Traya. The kit descriptions for every single locked debuff in the game (besides thermals) says it cannot be resisted. It’s kind of like turn meter removal. Vader TM cannot be removed, even against attacks that are unresistable TMR. So like in unresistable debuffs, those cannot be resisted, which override dark bastila’s CBM.

    Locked thing indicates that it cant be cleansed. Not that it cant be resisted. Take a look at deathtrooper's deathmark, which cant be ressisted but is not locked. Locked this just represents it cant be cleansed nothing else
  • When your Nihilus Palp and Thrawn together fail to do the same thing as that one ability...I feel a change in the meta
  • Yea the meta is definitely going to be rougher especially if u dont keep up
  • VonZant
    3843 posts Member
    I'm not going to get DR this time, but I might go ahead and G12 Maul and Sass.

    TM buff from Sass, double stun from Fastilla + AOE stagger and speed down + AOE Daze from Maul to trigger the stagger. So you end up with an entire team with zero TM, daze, speed down, offense down, and crit damage down that will have a very hard time critting or countering. Mauls AOE will cancel the fear but might not matter.

    And good luck killing SiT stacked with D and with a Crit Avoidance arrow when you have -30/60% crit chance and AOE offense down and crit damage down.

    And maybe this will buff Maurader? Thats a whole lotta debuffs.

    Could be wrong.

  • VonZant wrote: »
    I'm not going to get DR this time, but I might go ahead and G12 Maul and Sass.

    TM buff from Sass, double stun from Fastilla + AOE stagger and speed down + AOE Daze from Maul to trigger the stagger. So you end up with an entire team with zero TM, daze, speed down, offense down, and crit damage down that will have a very hard time critting or countering. Mauls AOE will cancel the fear but might not matter.

    And good luck killing SiT stacked with D and with a Crit Avoidance arrow when you have -30/60% crit chance and AOE offense down and crit damage down.

    And maybe this will buff Maurader? Thats a whole lotta debuffs.

    Could be wrong.

    DSBS inflicts fear now not stun
    "ARE WE BLIND? DEPLOY THE GARRISON."
  • VonZant
    3843 posts Member
    It functions as a stun until its dispelled. ;)
  • Not a fan of kits that are so specific in needing a particular character (on either side) for something to work. That severely limits the types of teams that can be built.
  • Cant wait to see dark revans kit. Good job on this.
    Get good and get a Revan. Ryanwhales
  • Consider Fear as a soft stun. It’ll act like stun if you leave them alone. However if you choose to attack a target affected by fear that’s when the Can’t evade and increase CDs help. So when the target loses fear they are forced to basic attack as their CDs have increased, along with the string of debuff from the ability itself.
  • Well, looks like the next six months is a Drevan heavy arena. Bored already.
    Where are the Stun Guns?
  • Lichbane wrote: »
    Well, looks like the next six months is a Drevan heavy arena. Bored already.

    You should have seen this coming and farmed to get DR. Then you would have been apart of the meta
    "ARE WE BLIND? DEPLOY THE GARRISON."
  • Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    WildKarrde wrote: »
    Does the nature of the reworked Corrupted Battle Meditation and the zeta on Force Bond prevent Traya with corrupted meditation from using Isolate or Thrawn from using fracture?

    No, not does it prevent JKR from applying mark. Those are locked debuffs

    Locked debuffsare just uncleanseable doesnt mean you cant prevent them from happening. We never had something like this so it could very well be that mark, isolate and fracture wont work

    If locked buffs will always be applied, then locked debuffs will also always be applied

    They wont always be applied they just cant be cleansed. Real question here is irresistable debuffs and preventing them, which one is stronger

    No, they will always be applied. That's how locked buffs work. You cant prevent them in anyway.

    That is just not correct

    No you are not correct

    Locked debuffs can be resisted right now, look at plague.
  • Riffinator wrote: »
    Lichbane wrote: »
    Well, looks like the next six months is a Drevan heavy arena. Bored already.

    You should have seen this coming and farmed to get DR. Then you would have been apart of the meta

    Rather have fun than constant mirror matches.
    Where are the Stun Guns?
  • OK, a simple question: Badstilla locks all your current toon's skills. It is your turn. You cannot do ANYTHING, and you cannot skip to your next toon either. So you sit there and watch dumbly until the match ends? Great, a fast Badstilla made winning on defense a guarantee through unpreventable timeout...
  • Altazarus wrote: »
    OK, a simple question: Badstilla locks all your current toon's skills. It is your turn. You cannot do ANYTHING, and you cannot skip to your next toon either. So you sit there and watch dumbly until the match ends? Great, a fast Badstilla made winning on defense a guarantee through unpreventable timeout...

    It lasts for one turn, like a stun
  • So, given that corrupt battle meditation prevents your toons from landing debuffs "when they use an ability" does that mean that bast can still land corrupt battle meditation while inflicted with it?
  • Jarvind
    3729 posts Member
    edited March 2019
    Geshtianna wrote: »
    Not a fan of kits that are so specific in needing a particular character (on either side) for something to work. That severely limits the types of teams that can be built.

    While I do agree, it seems like beyond DR/NastyBasty/HK there's a bit of leeway with who you use in the other 2 slots, though presumably one will need to be Sith Trooper or Sion in order to compete. Compare that to the current "if you don't use JKR/Jolee/Bastila/GMY/GK, you get absolutely crushed" situation.

    Granted, we won't know for sure until DR is actually here.
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  • Rimbol
    12 posts Member
    So Fear can be evaded now?
  • So, given that corrupt battle meditation prevents your toons from landing debuffs "when they use an ability" does that mean that bast can still land corrupt battle meditation while inflicted with it?

    Yeah this is a big thing, we will likely end up with lots of darth revan mirror matches like we currently do JKR, and surely just having a faster bastila is a major factor for winning this matchup?

    If bastila can't inflict her CBM nor fear nor the other debuffs of the team then it kinda cripples the team. I would be interested to see what the full effects of this "can't inflict debuffs" line are.
  • Fredbob wrote: »
    So, given that corrupt battle meditation prevents your toons from landing debuffs "when they use an ability" does that mean that bast can still land corrupt battle meditation while inflicted with it?

    Yeah this is a big thing, we will likely end up with lots of darth revan mirror matches like we currently do JKR, and surely just having a faster bastila is a major factor for winning this matchup?

    If bastila can't inflict her CBM nor fear nor the other debuffs of the team then it kinda cripples the team. I would be interested to see what the full effects of this "can't inflict debuffs" line are.

    That's why I suggested that she can still inflict it even while having it herself. It doesn't come from an ability, it's her unique. If it wasn't like that, the faster bastila would have way too much advantage

  • That's why I suggested that she can still inflict it even while having it herself. It doesn't come from an ability, it's her unique. If it wasn't like that, the faster bastila would have way too much advantage

    Hmm yeah it's auto on her turn isn't it, so it would go through. Then both teams would have semi-perma corruption and can't land standard debuffs though - which will be odd! Maybe we'll have better judgement with revans kit reveal :)
  • Im going to gear her up. I love her plug and play sith viability.
    Get good and get a Revan. Ryanwhales
  • How fear effects Raid bosses?
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