Kit Reveal: Darth Revan

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  • Entus wrote: »
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    People sure whine on here a lot, I’m wondering if the majority are adults or spoiled children, definitely a lot of liberals who are advocates for participation trophy’s and safe spaces

    The majority are players that that play the game, find an issue, and come here to talk about it. So yeah, they use the place that was built for complaints...

    And you’re another one of those “spoiled children” and “darn liberals” people too? Just because you don’t care about anyone else it doesn’t make it right to classify them.

    I’m no spoiled child I worked hard for what I have and if I choose to spend on this game that’s my choice if ppl choose not to that is their choice, but for them to complain “oh it’s not fair that the new meta will cost money or I won’t be able to compete” is childish, if it’s. Wasn’t for p2p players there would be no game for f2p players, that being said there should be benefit to those that choose to spend $$ on this game or what would the point be in spending money? If you wanna be f2p good for you and I love to see f2p guys succeed, but for you to whine about p2p players having an advantage is Ridiculous, and if compared to the our political system it would make them a liberal/socialist/democrat whichever term you prefer as all they can see is “it’s not fair” as apposed to saying “o he must have worked hard to be where he is” very simple comparison. It’s easy 1st pay for the Meta team, 2nd be smart and crafty and skilled and save your resources to be able to have the meta team without spending, or 3rd suck it up, but to complain about how it isn’t fair that p2p guys have the advantage he is stupid, it’s the money they spend that pays for CG to keep adding to the game and having in game support. If it wasn’t profitable to them they y would it exist. Why villianize ppl who pay for the advantage or CG for wanting to profit from there work?

    Well said

    Hey, i aint complaining about the money, im only complaining about the farm.
    Get good and get a Revan. Ryanwhales
  • Kyno
    22117 posts Moderator
    @Revan_Presence can you clarify your question. Ferocity is a debuff, I'm not sure if that helps clarify things on your end.
  • I Smell A Meta... And I think it isn't traya since she isn't sith empire...
  • Revan_Presence
    65 posts Member
    edited March 21
    Kyno wrote: »
    @Revan_Presence can you clarify your question. Ferocity is a debuff, I'm not sure if that helps clarify things on your end.
    Clarification:..
    We have that two things in the Ferocity description (besides of the "can't be copied" thing):
    • -15% Defense and Tenacity per stack
    • +8% Offense and Potency per stack
    Will both of them really come in one piece, or will there be a separate Def/Tenacity debuff stack and Offence/Potency buff stack?
    I understand that I may sounds silly now (like if I wasn't reading well enough), but I just want to make sure. Because, Ferocity on a tanking ally would actually make his tanking a bad joke. Unless there will be some way to avoid a harm that this thing actually does.
  • All those specials are mighty pointless if the opponent runs a zMaul lead and their Bastila (Fallen) goes first, spams Corrupted Battled Meditation, and hits your Bastila with Fear. Then Nihilus reduces cooldowns, Sion spams pain with his AoE, and Traya isolates Darth Revan. Wash, rinse, and repeat

    This faction has no obvious way to cleanse pain, resist cooldown reduction, or counterattack. You can probably get Nihilus to annihilate before they are able to use anything other than their basics (with Nihilus, Bastila and Traya all reducing cooldowns, their Bastila and Revan will be be at -2 before they even take a turn). They'll just be stuck hacking away at Sion (better make him extra beefy).

    Even the +15 speed bonus from the Ferocity stacks won't help, because it doesn't apply until they take a turn - "At the start of each Sith Empire ally's turn, they gain 5 stacks of Ferocity for 2 turns." By that point it's too late, particularly if Bastila is missing a turn due to Fear.

    There's a counter team: zMaul, Bastila (Fallen), and the Sith triumvirate. Not reliant on foresight, assists, counterattacks, or buffs, and will always get to go first thanks to the zMaul leadership.

    Am I missing something?

    Also does Corrupted Battle Meditation under Darth Revan lead prevent Isolate or Fracture? That probably needs to be clarified (although it shouldn't affect this counter team).
  • Entus
    161 posts Member
    The goal isnt to create an unbeatable team..
  • BeralCator wrote: »
    All those specials are mighty pointless if the opponent runs a zMaul lead and their Bastila (Fallen) goes first, spams Corrupted Battled Meditation, and hits your Bastila with Fear. Then Nihilus reduces cooldowns, Sion spams pain with his AoE, and Traya isolates Darth Revan. Wash, rinse, and repeat

    This faction has no obvious way to cleanse pain, resist cooldown reduction, or counterattack. You can probably get Nihilus to annihilate before they are able to use anything other than their basics (with Nihilus, Bastila and Traya all reducing cooldowns, their Bastila and Revan will be be at -2 before they even take a turn). They'll just be stuck hacking away at Sion (better make him extra beefy).

    Even the +15 speed bonus from the Ferocity stacks won't help, because it doesn't apply until they take a turn - "At the start of each Sith Empire ally's turn, they gain 5 stacks of Ferocity for 2 turns." By that point it's too late, particularly if Bastila is missing a turn due to Fear.

    There's a counter team: zMaul, Bastila (Fallen), and the Sith triumvirate. Not reliant on foresight, assists, counterattacks, or buffs, and will always get to go first thanks to the zMaul leadership.

    Am I missing something?

    Also does Corrupted Battle Meditation under Darth Revan lead prevent Isolate or Fracture? That probably needs to be clarified (although it shouldn't affect this counter team).

    I'm thinking the same. We still need to see the basic stats of Darth Revan, maybe he'll be a really fast character, but I doub about that.
    In fact, I'm not a big fan of his lead. Maybe I don't see the big picture of his synergies, but for now I'm considering to make him a 5th with zzTraya lead. Because trium plus a perfect unresistible stun, with corrupted battle meditation being completly broken and a fair amount of regen + crit avoidance + already able to defeat JKR, all this sounds very good to me. I'm not at all into these 3 sith empire anti synergy chars.
    And HK has stats from another century, 113 speed, oh my..
  • Those moves...

    "Savior, conqueror, hero, villain- You are all things, Revan, and yet you are nothing! In the end you belong neither to the light, nor the darkness. You will forever stand alone." - Darth Malak
  • Kyno
    22117 posts Moderator
    Kyno wrote: »
    @Revan_Presence can you clarify your question. Ferocity is a debuff, I'm not sure if that helps clarify things on your end.
    Clarification:..
    We have that two things in the Ferocity description (besides of the "can't be copied" thing):
    • -15% Defense and Tenacity per stack
    • +8% Offense and Potency per stack
    Will both of them really come in one piece, or will there be a separate Def/Tenacity debuff stack and Offence/Potency buff stack?
    I understand that I may sounds silly now (like if I wasn't reading well enough), but I just want to make sure. Because, Ferocity on a tanking ally would actually make his tanking a bad joke. Unless there will be some way to avoid a harm that this thing actually does.

    It is a single debuff and they get an bonus from it.

    Similar to Kylo and DOTs.
  • Egbert1979 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    People sure whine on here a lot, I’m wondering if the majority are adults or spoiled children, definitely a lot of liberals who are advocates for participation trophy’s and safe spaces

    The majority are players that that play the game, find an issue, and come here to talk about it. So yeah, they use the place that was built for complaints...

    And you’re another one of those “spoiled children” and “darn liberals” people too? Just because you don’t care about anyone else it doesn’t make it right to classify them.

    I’m no spoiled child I worked hard for what I have and if I choose to spend on this game that’s my choice if ppl choose not to that is their choice, but for them to complain “oh it’s not fair that the new meta will cost money or I won’t be able to compete” is childish, if it Wasn’t for p2p players their would be no game for f2p players, that being said there should be benefit to those that choose to spend $$ on this game or what would the point be in spending money? If you wanna be f2p good for you and I love to see f2p guys succeed, but for you to whine about p2p players having an advantage is Ridiculous, and if compared to the our political system it would make them a liberal/socialist/democrat whichever term you prefer as all they can see is “it’s not fair” as apposed to saying “o he must have worked hard to be where he is” very simple comparison. It’s easy, there are 3 very simple solutions to the entire argument, 1st pay for the Meta team, 2nd be smart and crafty and skilled and save your resources to be able to have the meta team without spending, or 3rd suck it up! It totally Absurd to complain about how it isn’t fair that p2p guys have the advantag. It is stupid and Naïve view. It’s the money that p2p players spend that pays for CG to keep adding to the game and having in game support. If it wasn’t profitable to them they y would it exist. Why villianize ppl who pay for the advantage or CG for wanting to profit from their work?

    Amen brother, amen
  • BeralCator wrote: »
    All those specials are mighty pointless if the opponent runs a zMaul lead and their Bastila (Fallen) goes first, spams Corrupted Battled Meditation, and hits your Bastila with Fear. Then Nihilus reduces cooldowns, Sion spams pain with his AoE, and Traya isolates Darth Revan. Wash, rinse, and repeat

    This faction has no obvious way to cleanse pain, resist cooldown reduction, or counterattack. You can probably get Nihilus to annihilate before they are able to use anything other than their basics (with Nihilus, Bastila and Traya all reducing cooldowns, their Bastila and Revan will be be at -2 before they even take a turn). They'll just be stuck hacking away at Sion (better make him extra beefy).

    Even the +15 speed bonus from the Ferocity stacks won't help, because it doesn't apply until they take a turn - "At the start of each Sith Empire ally's turn, they gain 5 stacks of Ferocity for 2 turns." By that point it's too late, particularly if Bastila is missing a turn due to Fear.

    There's a counter team: zMaul, Bastila (Fallen), and the Sith triumvirate. Not reliant on foresight, assists, counterattacks, or buffs, and will always get to go first thanks to the zMaul leadership.

    Am I missing something?

    Also does Corrupted Battle Meditation under Darth Revan lead prevent Isolate or Fracture? That probably needs to be clarified (although it shouldn't affect this counter team).

    Fallen Bastila won't give the defence/potency/tenacity buff to any leader except Darth Revan after her rework.

    Also zMaul lead does rely on Stealth, which is a buff (as far as I'm aware).

    Neither of those really matter - Maul is there for the 20% TM gain out of the gate to make sure you go first. The extra evasion and stealth are nice, but inessential, and you're not counting on Maul for anything really other than maybe a bit of DPS.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Also why is the forum “checking my responses before they are posted” and then throwing them away? I feel like there should be a larger right to free speech here. Just me feeling entitled.
  • Looking like everyone will have DR at this point.
  • Entus
    161 posts Member
    BeralCator wrote: »
    BeralCator wrote: »
    All those specials are mighty pointless if the opponent runs a zMaul lead and their Bastila (Fallen) goes first, spams Corrupted Battled Meditation, and hits your Bastila with Fear. Then Nihilus reduces cooldowns, Sion spams pain with his AoE, and Traya isolates Darth Revan. Wash, rinse, and repeat

    This faction has no obvious way to cleanse pain, resist cooldown reduction, or counterattack. You can probably get Nihilus to annihilate before they are able to use anything other than their basics (with Nihilus, Bastila and Traya all reducing cooldowns, their Bastila and Revan will be be at -2 before they even take a turn). They'll just be stuck hacking away at Sion (better make him extra beefy).

    Even the +15 speed bonus from the Ferocity stacks won't help, because it doesn't apply until they take a turn - "At the start of each Sith Empire ally's turn, they gain 5 stacks of Ferocity for 2 turns." By that point it's too late, particularly if Bastila is missing a turn due to Fear.

    There's a counter team: zMaul, Bastila (Fallen), and the Sith triumvirate. Not reliant on foresight, assists, counterattacks, or buffs, and will always get to go first thanks to the zMaul leadership.

    Am I missing something?

    Also does Corrupted Battle Meditation under Darth Revan lead prevent Isolate or Fracture? That probably needs to be clarified (although it shouldn't affect this counter team).

    Fallen Bastila won't give the defence/potency/tenacity buff to any leader except Darth Revan after her rework.

    Also zMaul lead does rely on Stealth, which is a buff (as far as I'm aware).

    Neither of those really matter - Maul is there for the 20% TM gain out of the gate to make sure you go first. The extra evasion and stealth are nice, but inessential, and you're not counting on Maul for anything really other than maybe a bit of DPS.

    I agree you are not seeing the bigger picture. Maul lead will not stand a chance in any possible scenario.
  • Could we get a scrub and redo by EA for Darth Revan?
  • VonZant
    3843 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Also why is the forum “checking my responses before they are posted” and then throwing them away? I feel like there should be a larger right to free speech here. Just me feeling entitled.

    This happens automatically if you edit more than once or twice. No one is intentionally hiding your posts.

    Its why I just live with typos and bad formatting now. ;)
  • SocknBoppers
    3 posts Member
    edited March 21
    BeralCator wrote: »
    All those specials are mighty pointless if the opponent runs a zMaul lead and their Bastila (Fallen) goes first, spams Corrupted Battled Meditation, and hits your Bastila with Fear. Then Nihilus reduces cooldowns, Sion spams pain with his AoE, and Traya isolates Darth Revan. Wash, rinse, and repeat

    This faction has no obvious way to cleanse pain, resist cooldown reduction, or counterattack. You can probably get Nihilus to annihilate before they are able to use anything other than their basics (with Nihilus, Bastila and Traya all reducing cooldowns, their Bastila and Revan will be be at -2 before they even take a turn). They'll just be stuck hacking away at Sion (better make him extra beefy).

    Even the +15 speed bonus from the Ferocity stacks won't help, because it doesn't apply until they take a turn - "At the start of each Sith Empire ally's turn, they gain 5 stacks of Ferocity for 2 turns." By that point it's too late, particularly if Bastila is missing a turn due to Fear.

    There's a counter team: zMaul, Bastila (Fallen), and the Sith triumvirate. Not reliant on foresight, assists, counterattacks, or buffs, and will always get to go first thanks to the zMaul leadership.

    Am I missing something?

    Also does Corrupted Battle Meditation under Darth Revan lead prevent Isolate or Fracture? That probably needs to be clarified (although it shouldn't affect this counter team).

    A few things that go against this point;

    - Bastilla won't prevent debuffs with Corrupted Battle Meditation without Revan, while Revan's Bastilla will. Additionally; Fear, Isolate, Corrupted Battle Meditation, Pain and the SIX debuffs that fallen bastilla applies to the three characters not affected by fear all grant 15 speed and 10% crit chance each. Not to mention Daze from Darth Maul will grant and additional 15 speed to all it lands on as well. This speed can't stop Maul's team from taking the first move but does mean that they will be VERY outsped on proceeding turns, especially when you add in ferocity's 75 speed per turn up to 150 speed and then an additional 75 speed if Revan can get force storm off.

    -Isolating Darth Revan does nothing apart from potentially removing Bastilla's second unique from benefitting him (which I don't think will happen as these usually are constant effects). He doesn't buff his team, he doesn't call assists and Ferocity is a debuff meaning that it's not blocked from Isolate. Revan is entirely designed around beating Jedi Knight Revan while not being held back by forced teamwork. Edit: I meant to bring up Isolate's cooldown increase but forgot to, apologies for that. Yes, Revan's cooldowns will be increased by Isolate but his speed will also be increased meaning that as long as Traya survives Revan will benefit long term from Isolate.

    - Revan is given +100% defense penetration to make sure that he's not nearly as limited by Sion and other high defense tanks as other characters. Additionally while Maul as Leader and the enemy Bastilla will gain the 50% tenacity and potency from Bastilla; Sion will not, meaning that his pain will have a higher chance to not get applied to the Darth Revan and Bastilla he is against.

    Also on Fracture and Isolate; They are probably prevented. These effects cannot be resisted under any means and cannot be evaded, however Bastilla Fallen prevents them from being inflicted entirely. This however is just speculation on my part so it really has no sway in this theory build.
  • Haruk
    95 posts Member
    When Darth Revan goes up against Jedi Knight Revan,

    Does that mean they're playing with themselves?
  • Haruk
    95 posts Member
    Regarding free2play vs spenders:

    I'm basically f2p. I'll occasionally spend here and there, but never on anything more than the $20 crystal pack. I am by no means anything even close to something resembling a whale.

    What I am is determined. I've got most of the big bad toons. I got JKR this last time, because I busted butt and saved most of my crystals.

    I know I won't get DR in time, as I opted to focus on other BHs. Which is my choice(fault). I play my way, ya'll play yours. Hopefully, I will be ready for DR when he returns.

    I used to play the Avengers Alliance game on Facebook, and would dump a solid amount of money into it. Because I really enjoyed playing it and wanted it to keep going. If I had a steady income like I did back then, I would drop money on GoH too. Because I love this game, and want it to last a long time.

    So, thanks to the spenders who can spend. Keep it up, so the rest of us can still have a game to play.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    VonZant wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Also why is the forum “checking my responses before they are posted” and then throwing them away? I feel like there should be a larger right to free speech here. Just me feeling entitled.

    This happens automatically if you edit more than once or twice. No one is intentionally hiding your posts.

    Its why I just live with typos and bad formatting now. ;)

    That’s happened to me too, but this is different. I tried to respond to a specific person twice and it gave me a little message:

    “Your comment will not be posted until it is reviewed.”

    Both were never posted. Oh well I guess.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    VonZant wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Also why is the forum “checking my responses before they are posted” and then throwing them away? I feel like there should be a larger right to free speech here. Just me feeling entitled.

    This happens automatically if you edit more than once or twice. No one is intentionally hiding your posts.

    Its why I just live with typos and bad formatting now. ;)

    That’s happened to me too, but this is different. I tried to respond to a specific person twice and it gave me a little message:

    “Your comment will not be posted until it is reviewed.”

    Both were never posted. Oh well I guess.

    Yeah they never review them
    "ARE WE BLIND? DEPLOY THE GARRISON."
  • Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I understand that DR and the Triumvirate would be OP, and I get that his position as a true Sith was strained, but don’t call his Leader ability “Lord of the Sith,” and then not involve any Sith synergy...

    What exactly do you call Bastila Shan Fallen, Sith Trooper, Sith Assassin and Sith Maurader then?

    The Leader ability never explicitly states “Sith” instead of “Sith Empire.” So don’t call it “Lord of the Sith”. Call it “Lord of the Sith Empire”

    That's a different issue. You claimed there was no sith synergy
  • CapnJack81 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I understand that DR and the Triumvirate would be OP, and I get that his position as a true Sith was strained, but don’t call his Leader ability “Lord of the Sith,” and then not involve any Sith synergy...

    What exactly do you call Bastila Shan Fallen, Sith Trooper, Sith Assassin and Sith Maurader then?

    Well that's easy, they're called Sith but theyre not "all" Sith and being Lord of the Sith would be an all encompassing title, not cherry picked. Next question...

    Why should it be? The other sith aren't in the same timeframe as him. He can call himself lord of the sith. And it doesn't matter. They are called Sith Lords. And if he leads even one sith he still is lord of sith
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    CapnJack81 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I understand that DR and the Triumvirate would be OP, and I get that his position as a true Sith was strained, but don’t call his Leader ability “Lord of the Sith,” and then not involve any Sith synergy...

    What exactly do you call Bastila Shan Fallen, Sith Trooper, Sith Assassin and Sith Maurader then?

    Well that's easy, they're called Sith but theyre not "all" Sith and being Lord of the Sith would be an all encompassing title, not cherry picked. Next question...

    Why should it be? The other sith aren't in the same timeframe as him. He can call himself lord of the sith. And it doesn't matter. They are called Sith Lords. And if he leads even one sith he still is lord of sith

    BUT THEN GIVE THE MOVE SITH SYNERGY. Not HK, FBS, and a couple of other handpicked folk. Or name it something else if the Sith synergy would be too overpowered.
  • Nihion
    2230 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I understand that DR and the Triumvirate would be OP, and I get that his position as a true Sith was strained, but don’t call his Leader ability “Lord of the Sith,” and then not involve any Sith synergy...

    What exactly do you call Bastila Shan Fallen, Sith Trooper, Sith Assassin and Sith Maurader then?

    The Leader ability never explicitly states “Sith” instead of “Sith Empire.” So don’t call it “Lord of the Sith”. Call it “Lord of the Sith Empire”

    That's a different issue. You claimed there was no sith synergy

    There isn’t. Give me one place in the text where it says Sith instead of Sith Empire.
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