Someone Has To Ask This... (Rant)
April 13, 2019 3:21AM
edited April 2019
(Note: I'm not tryna justify EA's actions. That's not what I meant to get out of this post)
I get why everyone is freaking out over Malak and how f2p players are at a disadvantage but I just want to know this,
Would you rather have a "free" game that releases new content that you can spend money on to unlock "faster" or a dead game that recieves little to no updates at all.
Without having paywalls the game wont make money and in turn, wont recieve updates. (Looking at this from a business standpoint)
Ik I'm probably gonna get a lot of backlash but come on, someone has to ask it.
(P.S, many f2p players have gotten JKR on his second run, majority of the people in my guild (f2p) unlocked DR revan thanks to youtubers and the community. Also half of us have Malak because we prepared. So it's easy for a F2P player to get these charactors but people are just losing their mind because a game that is meant to take a while to progress in like many other games (ex. 2K, ****, GTA, Tycoon games, ect) just because they arent being handed the best charactors in the game.)
P.P.S (Getting #1 in arena is meant to be a challenge for F2P. Plus JKR is still meta so F2P has a chance still.)
P.P.P.S (People complain about the jedi meta getting boring then get angry because the meta is changing to sith Y'all just want something to complain about.)
P.P.P.P.S It's EA lmao they're literally known for this in every single game they own
P5.S The release was scummy and given short notice I'm just addressing the f2p complainers edit: the amount of people who didnt look here before stating something
P6.S The Palpatine counter stinks but DR + Malak is still beatable unlike JKR where we had to wait until DR came.
I get why everyone is freaking out over Malak and how f2p players are at a disadvantage but I just want to know this,
Would you rather have a "free" game that releases new content that you can spend money on to unlock "faster" or a dead game that recieves little to no updates at all.
Without having paywalls the game wont make money and in turn, wont recieve updates. (Looking at this from a business standpoint)
Ik I'm probably gonna get a lot of backlash but come on, someone has to ask it.
(P.S, many f2p players have gotten JKR on his second run, majority of the people in my guild (f2p) unlocked DR revan thanks to youtubers and the community. Also half of us have Malak because we prepared. So it's easy for a F2P player to get these charactors but people are just losing their mind because a game that is meant to take a while to progress in like many other games (ex. 2K, ****, GTA, Tycoon games, ect) just because they arent being handed the best charactors in the game.)
P.P.S (Getting #1 in arena is meant to be a challenge for F2P. Plus JKR is still meta so F2P has a chance still.)
P.P.P.S (People complain about the jedi meta getting boring then get angry because the meta is changing to sith Y'all just want something to complain about.)
P.P.P.P.S It's EA lmao they're literally known for this in every single game they own
P5.S The release was scummy and given short notice I'm just addressing the f2p complainers edit: the amount of people who didnt look here before stating something
P6.S The Palpatine counter stinks but DR + Malak is still beatable unlike JKR where we had to wait until DR came.
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Yea I agree with that.
..and that's the problem. Those that paid to get DR basically get punked by this, rendering that spending less than worthwhile as DR won't function at the top level without DM.
Then the nature of the DM paywall means that a lot of people just can't or don't want to climb it on principle
They'll now think twice about spending at all and are understandably upset.
If the argument was purely about FTP then yeah, it wouldn't be much of an argument.
Also, it's just a d move and sets a terrifying precedent for some of the real star wars toons that'll be released in future. If they can pull this for DM, imagine what kind of insanity they'll pull for Jedi Luke or ninja ep ix Rey.
Lastly, less significantly, but important: Outside those older players that are able to save up by virtue of having unlocked most things, for most, this is a game of resource management and strategy. Those that carefully managed resources and used strategy to unlock JKR and DR are penalized as they'll likely have lower gear supporting chars that are much harder to g12 in a hurry.
Some of those that aren't very good at actually playing but just overload to compensate are rewarded. Again, the payers have to be rewarded to keep the game going, but it undermines some of the key principles that bring people to games like this.
Yeah I'm basically get getting salty over the numerous angey posts I've seen regarding p2p players. I've gotten tired of them.
For 2 refreshes 9 sims less...that is 3 possible shards less per day..so i spread my energy to more heroes dont want to spend crystals on refreshes..this is my boycote and probably coause of that i only hurt myself....
And i see for first time, people payed and still cant get Malak...that is also wrong.
@SemiGod
Game is about recource menagement, F2P can get all new meta, of course probably not all, just need good resource menagement, and good prediction.
I am F2P
The ship arena RNG is even worse,stars and speed mean NOTHING.I whaled up the Falcon only to see it still loose to 5 star falcons and 5,6 star bossks.
-drop rated down to 5,now I just don't refresh,save your crystals.Why refresh and risk getting 0 shards?
-Grievous rework was a money grab lie.Ya,new CW content coming but I'm not holding my breath he gets any better while bastilla got a new ability already.
-Finn lead nerfed,better overall toon but now only 1 good resistance lead team,at least give Poe a better lead.I want my re-zeta back lol.
Final thoughts-I'll log in,do my daily's,help the guild but my spending days are over,god bless the whales.
Wow, like its the worst when just having better speed mods isnt the deciding factor. because we all know speed is king. You'll just have to play and be better at that than others to win
by that logic you were always risking 0 drops.
Grevious wasnt a huge let down, like everyone on here likes to claim. But he wasnt the best in arena with under starred teams without gear.
Were you really running two resistance teams?
2 Resistance teams is easy to field. 1 on Offense and one Def for both GA and TW. Rose I ram my buddy from outta no where Tico stuns and Poe and Purple Hair my mom is super famous and I was in Jurassic Park Holdo are superb tanks under Finn. Resistance Pilot is actually good under these conditions since two taunts protect her.
I can understand that perhaps sales goals were lackluster with previously released toons and I can even understand why the gp was raised to prevent cheaters from getting the toon.
What I think most people don't get is the timing of the event. Little to no warning which violated the spirit of the process they themselves laid out.
All they had to do was announce Malak a week prior to the upcoming JKR event and there'd still be panic farming and whaling out on previously unseen scales. It would also give those FTP and dolphins to attempt to gear up for the event. 90% would be incapable of meeting the requirements but they'd at least have felt respected. And that's what's really upsetting to many in the community the feeling of being disrespected. And let's be honest enough to acknowledge they feel that way because it's true.
Will save currency to buy darth malak shards. My ftp dedication will hopefully pay off. We will see in two or three months.
Not sure why a lot of people wants everything to be so easy. Easy just means everyone has him.
Set goals and strive for them. Good philosophy for swgoh and life.
I don't understand the logic by NOT announcing the event a week in advance either.
I do however think that even if they announced malak a week in advance, there wouldn't have been that much less complaining on the forum. I think there are people complaining about the week's notice just because it's a valid complaint, but they wouldn't have been ready either way, so they would have just complained about a different aspect of the release like the 17.500 GP thingy.
So, get them working on a bunch of things then drop yet another at the end to try and leverage open wallets.
And, this game is not remotely P2P, it's P2W. P2P is everyone pays 10 bucks a month or something in order to be able to simply play with an even playing field.
Putting things behind paywalls is sad IMO and then taking a character and slapping it behind a guild wall where only top level guilds have a real shot. What percentage of players are in guilds pushing 40 starts per battle? A very small percentage.
The defense of P2W under the 'they have to make a profit' doesn't add up. If everyone under the level dolphin just up and quit, the game would be dead.
p2w and p2p are made up terms, it seems not everyone uses the same definition. Heck, some people even call themselves f2p eventhough they've spend money on the game.
It's a freemium game in which you can pay to get an advantage which doesn't necesarily lead to winning, nor is paying required to win.
Er...nothing?
Er...
Depends on your definition of win. What are the odds of a F2P person holding down the top spot in arena? it's not impossible, but the odds are very stacked against it when people can spend like drunken sailors to get better stuff than you.
I'm completely f2p and i've been ranking high in squad pretty much the entire time i've been playing. My win/loss ratio in GA is currently 28/3. I suck at fleet though, but that's not because i'm f2p. I've completed every event there is ingame and get max waves on both TB maps.
Those are things i could come up with that could be considered "winning". So yea, paying isn't required to win if you ask me.
This guy gets it. It’s completely the timing. I dropped cash on DR and would have probably dropped more to get DM if they had timed it better. Here’s how CG rewarded those who unlocked DR:
1. Two new pieces of gear required that cost near 6,000 crystals to obtain
2. A buffed Bastilla to make JKR teams even more OP making DR less relevant
3. The Malak Wall of Doom. Literally two weeks after DR, requiring insanity to even have a shot at a critical toon for the DR team. Arena the past 2 weeks has been great with many compositions of teams. But CG couldn’t help themselves. This is why we can’t have nice things.
So yeah. Those of us who dropped cash but aren’t irresponsible enough to drop even more for Malak were disrespected by CG. Why drop money again when this will probably happen again? It was the worst move they could have made at this time. Less incentive to spend now 🤷🏼♂️
This ^^
If Malak had cost even more crystals rather than a different currency, I think it's a good bet that there will be much less F2P that acquire him.
Darth Malak isn't released yet. Darth Malak's release date will be a couple months from now, when the event returns for the second time.
Characters are announced and then people who have the requisites are rewarded for either their foresight or their spending habits. You may think it only rewards spenders, but consider BB-8, which was released when First Order were all hard farms, Darth Revan, who had ample farming time, C-3P0 and Chewbacca, the requirements for whom have been in the game forever. People whined and kvetched that they had to gear up "useless teams" to get all these characters and complained that if they'd known they'd need these teams they'd have farmed them earlier.
That's the point. Most (not all, sure, but most) characters are available to players that don't pay from their initil release. This rewards people who don't just follow a farming guide and do their own thing instead. It incentivises people to farm obscure characters because either A) They're banking on that character being useful in the future, or
Those folks, and I'm sometimes one of them--BB-8 was the last one I got to 7* on the first try, got C-3P0 to 6 (and fell off on gearing and failed to 7* on the second try
But, ultimately, Malak will be released for real in a couple months. You know what you need to do to get him now, so stop complaining and start working on it.
Amazing. Everything you just said in the first two paragraphs is wrong.