Hi all,
I just wanted to share a little concern about the direction is taking the game.
I've been playing from almost the beginning (2 month and half after release), and this is a game I truly enjoy.
I have playe as F2P and since chaze release, managed to get to the top positions on my shard, which gave me the chance to be truly competitive. I have missed some major releases the first time (JTR or JKR) but I always keep the track and got them 2nd round they came back.
Point is, for all the factions, releases, stuff, we could chose the toons of the faction to use/get while focusing on finishing other teams in the meantime (when Thrawn, for example, the strecher one, you had 6 phoenix)
You could manage to share your resources between being prepared for the new meta and develop other teams you liked / needed, just with the resources of being in a top guild and getting top 3 on both arenas (no money spent).
Even with chewie, c3po events, where there were some mandatory toons to do the event, you could manage to do it with others, even if it were much more difficult (I could manage to do c3po one without Paploo, although it was hard as hell).
But since Old republic toons arrived this has changed. We needed the 5 released OR toons to get JKR (all 5, only 5, no choices here) Ok, it is a hero's journey event, so you would need 5 fixed toons anyway, but the point is, there were no more OR toons. Ok, next one was DR, where you needed another 5 OR/Sith empire toons (same as before, the 5 that just were released). So the 10 new released toons were needed to get the 2 new shiny toys, and this just went worse when we were forced to (almost) g12 those toons (first time this happen) to get Malak, the next unnanounced and shortest event release shiny toon.
I almost lose it because I focused on Greedo in the middle to finish my BH team.
Point is, for first time, I need to use all my resources to keep on track to the meta. I am forced to unlock/gear all the toons CG/EA want me to unlock/gear if I want to keep on track with the meta, and being in top spots (which allwos me to get the crystals to be on track)
I cannot focus in other toons I would like to have to finish teams or help my guild or wathever I want, and in my opinion this is taking a lot of fun from the game.
This is just my case and my opinion, but I think that if me, as a F2P player who gets 800+ crystals daily can barely compete to stay on meta without spending, the gap between us and players outside top20 which don't spend will be huge very fast (huger and faster than it was) which will lead to not even try to spend for them because they will never get on top.
ASnd for the top players, if you are forced to play the game only as EA/CG wants and not like you want it, yeah, it is not gonna last long.
Well, that's it. I truly enjoy the game, but if it continues this way, I don't think this is gonna last.
See you on the holotables and let's see how the new stuff is.
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I definitely see going forward no new legendary/heros journey toons will be available 1st go around as a ftp if u are not well prepared saved crystals/gear or even predict the event to a degree.
Not true, given the recent-ish examples. We got two Journey events - JKR and DR - that required specific characters. We also got three Legendaries - Chewie, C-3PO, Mil F - that required anything from a given faction (Mil F being an outlier due to general lack of ships). So if anything, it seems that the model stays the same and they are just upping the gear requirements for Legendaries.
True, he just got the OR tag with an update, but the point is still valid. You needed all OR toons.
Read my 3 it says if they use toons that we have it will be like chewy/c3po or malak events
Please correct me if that's not what you're saying.
Not exactly cause it depends on if there is down time or not and depending on how hard u want to farm side projects but probably wont be qble to as much as a few would want to with the speed they want but if u want all the new toons just incase u would probably be very limited especially if u dont do the 3x 50 refreshes on ls/ds energy
I am pointing that way, yes. I said it was only my opinion, but lately the resources needed to keep on track with the meta are bigger and bigger. One year ago you could chase the meta and do other projects with top resources and now you need to focus all on chasing the meta.
Of course not chaising it is an entirely valid option, but that won't be good for CG/EA interest as it doesn't give profit.
And for me, i like to stay competitive on top, and if I can't stay there with all the F2P resources then my interest in the game will diminish.
Again this is only my opinion.
I personally haven't really felt that way, but i have to admit that i skipped gearing alot of toons i kinda wanted to gear just to hoard and be ready for anything.
Also, the side project i did invest resources in so happened to be Carth & co, so i got rather lucky on that one.
Also, instead of dangling a carrot to be just out of reach of your F2P / minnow player that they need to spend a little money to get it, they've made it so that carrot is so far out of reach that it is discouraging them to spend anything. I would consider myself a minnow and I know that I won't spend anything anytime soon because there's no point. It's turned into an all or nothing game when it comes to spending and call me crazy, but I'm just not willing to get a second mortgage on my home to keep up.
If you want this game to turn into a Game of Whales, keep it up, CG. But without some dolphins or minnows for those whales to feed on, this game will soon become an empty husk.
For F2P, this is the best of both worlds, as anyone with any pulse on the forums or the game direction should have been farming the second set of OR toons, and likely has DR, even if they missed Malak, but given that even the whales (save for those who somehow had ~70k Guild Event Currency) will be waiting 2+ months to get him 7*, so F2P will only be missing a couple of months of playing with 7* G12 DR over whales, and in the mean time while they prepare for the event, will be able to hoard the currency needed to rush him from 5* to 7*, as well as slow-farm the gear pieces rather than buy them from shipments if they chose to.
IMHO, this was the best possible outcome for EA/CG to make their quarter profits while F2P had access to at least DR, even if they missed Malak this time around.
There’s simply too much content and teams take far too long to farm for most to catch up.
Of course p2p are going to get teams sooner that’s fine. However I think it takes far too long to build a team up from base to be useable.
I’ve been putting together Nightsisters for 6 months. 6 MONTHS!
The grind is oppressive.
Took me a year...year and half to finish spirit.
Yeah, the consequences of killing the stores are showing. We desperately need another step in the release cadence where characters get added to some really easy location after, say, a year they have been out.
Played for years but i dont want to see the SW characters i know and love to collect getting steamrolled by 2 versions of somebody who means nothing to me (revan) and his nemesis (malak)...
Zero interest in collecting or using any of the above 3 characters. Zero interest in collecting or using any of the other "off brand" old republic characters
Instead of giving us Dryden Vos we get malak? Who the kitten is malak? Why the hell would i care about collecting some character i have never heard of.. hes not in any movie..hes not even a bit-part, hes the villian in a random videogame most of us never even played. (And i play a LOT of videogames..)
Giving the kotor fans some kotor content in SWGOH was never a problem. Making kotor content META defineing must-have characters that dominate the arena with a 90% marketshare for months IS A PROBLEM and you are losing customers because of it.
KoToR stuff is fine. The way they are releasing it... not so much. Also there is a ton of people who love KoToR and they also deserve to have their hero's on meta
New metas will come and replace KoToR, but if they continue to release them like this, very few will be there to get them...
I’m more into kit assessment and theory crafting than specific characters, so it doesn’t really matter to me if I’m looking at Revan’s kit or Bistan’s kit. I’ll make my gameplay decisions based on how I can best use a given character. But, if people really want KOTOR stuff, they can play KOTOR. They don’t ‘deserve’ to have those characters dominate the meta any more than those that prefer Rogue One or Clone Wars characters.
Sure, that is what i said they ALSO deserve, next meta will be for Resistance lovers, or First Order, or clone wars related, who knows. Every main faction will have its time, eventually.
Um, people who pay do actually deserve to have a better team than those who dont pay.
You know, they fund this game, and you must give some incentive for them to spend.
Theorycrafting is fine, and if you enjoy it, do it, by all means, but it should allow you to break top50, and not nr 1, in my opinion.
Ever learnt history?
Basically all victories were determined solely by how thick one's 'wallet' was.
You know your arguments are thin when you have to stretch a debate about a mobile game this far...
The first problem so to speak is that we had a rather long period last year where the game was very F2P friendly with the EP meta that was still good enough to get top spots after more and more Traya squads started to show up. A lot of F2P or minnows were getting used to top5 spots at payout but those who didn't hoard a lot of crystals and gear were disappointed as they couldn't get or compete with JKR when he was released. Most of them farmed the OR toons to get him the 2nd time but were then finding themselves in a pond full of JKRs where everyone could beat the other so they had to refresh once or twice to reach top5. And now there is Malak entering the meta who is one of the most difficult / expensive to unlock in the history of the game. So in the end a lot of people think the game is getting worse simply because they compare it to more F2P friendly times.
The second problem is the combination of (lack of) communication, kit releases and multiple reworks to fix "loopholes" by CG that makes them look like a bunch of amateurs. I was happy to see that DR was actually bringing rock paper scissors to the meta with a huge variety of teams inside top20 but then had to realise that it obviously happend inadvertently. They simply overlooked how previous metas toons were fitting into the scheme.
Unfortunatley, both problems look like they are here to stay. Most players won't change their mind and always complain that the game is getting worse if they can't keep their level of competitiveness that they were getting used to. I also have little hope that CG will avoid those mistakes in future as we are getting more and more toons with more complex kits that will make it almost impossible to foresee all possible interactions. CG will also never be so honest to say that throughout a year they do need certain paywalls in the game and one that temporarily locks top spots of squad arena is by far the most profitable one. On the other hand, they shouldn't even have to say that as it is common sense but a lot of players are simply too naive to realize it or keep telling themselves that there must be other ways to fund the game (yes, there are but they might generate less turnover).