How GA feels without Darth Revan
Being in the 3.7-3.9 million bracket statistically I have an incredibly high chance of having to face at least one other player with Darth Revan. I lose my previous one in a tie because I took 1 extra attempt to beat him and I cleared everything else with 1 attempt. He blundered and we tied but he won.
This time I am facing another one on round 1. Once more i unfortunately took 2 attempts to beat him, I'm 100% going to lose this one because I went light on defense to compensate for not having Revan.
GA has been ruined for me, another mode I was super excited about is now a matter of getting er done. I am no longer looking forward to GA like I did before. It's become another event that you participate for mediocre rewards.
This is what power creep does to a game, it sucks out all the fun. What's even more interesting is that my opponent doesn't get to enjoy using his Darth Revan on offense because he kind of has to place him on defense to secure the win. He only gets to enjoy his extra rewards. Time and time again the increasing power creep is proven to be a detriment to a game, sucking the competition out of a mode that's inheritently competitive.
The game would benefit from having as many top tier teams as possible, and yet day in and day out players support dumb nerfs and buffs designed to do nothing but DECREASE the number of teams that are able to compete at the top.
Hypothetically if you take two players who have identical accounts and you add an extra character with a strong leadership to the one account, that player already gains an advantage. As long as that leader character can build a squad that is stronger than the most powerful squad under the maximum slot limit ×2, you have given them a huge advantage. This squad doesn't have to be the strongest in the game by a mile in order to accomplish that.
Anyways, I hope this provides some insight to those who read it.
This time I am facing another one on round 1. Once more i unfortunately took 2 attempts to beat him, I'm 100% going to lose this one because I went light on defense to compensate for not having Revan.
GA has been ruined for me, another mode I was super excited about is now a matter of getting er done. I am no longer looking forward to GA like I did before. It's become another event that you participate for mediocre rewards.
This is what power creep does to a game, it sucks out all the fun. What's even more interesting is that my opponent doesn't get to enjoy using his Darth Revan on offense because he kind of has to place him on defense to secure the win. He only gets to enjoy his extra rewards. Time and time again the increasing power creep is proven to be a detriment to a game, sucking the competition out of a mode that's inheritently competitive.
The game would benefit from having as many top tier teams as possible, and yet day in and day out players support dumb nerfs and buffs designed to do nothing but DECREASE the number of teams that are able to compete at the top.
Hypothetically if you take two players who have identical accounts and you add an extra character with a strong leadership to the one account, that player already gains an advantage. As long as that leader character can build a squad that is stronger than the most powerful squad under the maximum slot limit ×2, you have given them a huge advantage. This squad doesn't have to be the strongest in the game by a mile in order to accomplish that.
Anyways, I hope this provides some insight to those who read it.
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But to Address GA: Look it stinks. But literally if there wasnt a new Big Shiney that you MUST have to be top tier every few months, the game would not make money and die. I agree with you that JKR (not DR) is unbalanced too much and he just blows to face in any form if you dont have him. A Pox on him.
It IS possible to win such games though and I have beat people with both Revans and Traya and I only have JKR and no Traya. And before I had JKR I beat players with him. I just counted on not beating JKR on Offense, saved a few better teams for D and hoped they would falter - and they did. (Qira Scoundrels, hidden/buffered properly, and NS or JKR on O have won me many matches). You don't have to put JKR on D every time, even though its tempting. Especially if you believe he is going to one-shot you anyway. Teams that counter attack, even if you know they will lose, reduce enemy points some. Also even if you dont have the best mods, having deep mods help a lot. Many people have crap mods after their top 2 or 3 teams.
But I do lose most of those unbalanced matches. I don't like it either. Just mix up your D and hope for the best - and get the Big Shiney first go next time. Or just live with the consequences and enjoy the GA matches for what they are: good PvP fun.
Am I missing something obvious?
It's entirely possible, I've had numerous ones finihs within 5-6 banners. Most players set weak defense and try to win by getting the most banners so everyone is around 61-58 banners with each battle
I don't think you actually need full protection to get the full protection bonus, I think you still get it if you've only taken trivial damage. I'm not sure where the threshold is tbh
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Also, lets not pretent this is a new issue. Even before drevan/malak quite a large portion of my opponents didn't really stand a chance.
Git gud, learn to manage your resources and use your crystal income wisely.
Spoken like a true whale.
Im full f2p.
Thats why I told op to manage his resources/crystal income better, because thats all it takes really.
This and the fact that you went light on D.
It would seem you had a chance but out of fear or poor planning gave it up.
I am perpetually nauseated by responses like "get gud", and "learn to manage your resources better".
Like life, the problems faced in this game can often be solved by throwing money at it. In some cases, solving the problem without money approaches impossibility. Yet people on top, either unware of their privileged position or unwilling to acknowledge it, equate their success with some character flaw they have surmounted rather than their economic position, and then use this fallacy to dump superiority all over those that could not solve the problem with cash. This is an instance of life imitating art that makes me sick.
I recognize there are exceptions to this, that there are people who can, at least sometimes be able to "get gud" without the cash, but by and large their success via meticulous planning and execution is used as a shield to defend the perceived superiority of those who paid -- "see, it's possible!"
I also recognize that the game has to make money. I have zero problem with people solving their farming shortfalls with money. Just don't go around whalesplaining to the plebs that winning just takes being a better person when you do so.
the exceptions aren't the ones who actually can get good, the exceptions are the ones for whom it is impossible to do any better.
Pretty much everyone can do better than they're doing. While snarky responses like git gud etc are not helpfull at all, it's usually a valid advice.
Those players that have both already have advantages in arena, TW, and all of the other areas of the game. GA is generally designed to be a game mode where closely similar rosters are supposed to be matched up. If one side has DR+Malak, the other doesn't and all of the counters have been intentionally neutered, that doesn't seem very sporting.
Just to be clear - I have neither. The last two GA's I have beaten players who have both. Just because it's possible, doesn't make it equitable. I have also had GA's where I have JKR - and the other player doesn't and I hate it. I win easily and I don't think that's fair either.
The GA match up algorithm should account for some of the OP synergies that exist in the newer kits better than it does. Most players want a fun, competitive experience in GA.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Most players want good rewards with the minimum effort.
GA is a terrible game mode by design. It is a huge time sink, and 7 out of 8 players will feel that they lost (they didnt get 1st). Thats 88% of the playerbase.
If you actually want a fun, competitive experience, then you need to focus on it. Its easy if you set this your primary target. All it takes is to select the necessary 50 characters, constantly work on them, and dont ever spend anything on anything else. A 6th ns beyond g8? Forget it. A cool ship that is sometimes nice? Forget it. Your favorite sith? Forget it.
You dont like Grievous? It doesnt matter, you must level it to counter DR/Malak.
Thats how you become competitive in GA.
So yeah, 'git gud' isnt very explicit, but it is actually what is needed. Set your target and then do it. If GA is important to you and youre still losing after a few months, youre simply bad.
This is how competition works. Should They give out more than one 1st place prize?
Yes. Make duels only, not 8 man tournaments. That way, 50% of the players will feel victory. Much better than 12%.
..but thats not the design. GA was never designed to be fun. It was designed this way to make you angry and motivate you to spend.
As such, saying that jkr/malak sucks the fun out of GA is nonsense. It was never meant to be fun.
Sadly, "git gud" has simply become, "spend when, how and how often CG demands". It has nothing to do with "good" - and has everything to do with following CG's prescribed path of play.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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He's childish it doesn't bother me. The thing is like someone said above, that as soon as you discover a squad that beats their new prized possession, the developers swoop in and nerf it to oblivion.
So it's like "git gud" and have the dev's muscle to back you up. I remember a time when if you didn't get the newest legendary it wasn't the end of the world, you'd still struggle but you knew it was a matter of time for someone to come up with something to beat them. In fact many players build their strategy around going for the counter instead of stressing over chasing the meta. Now I guess this has changed, you either stress for the meta or you don't stand a chance. You found something that works, keep it to yourself and hope it stays unnoticeable for as long as possible before the nerf hammer comes swiftly and ruins it. But yeah, totally "git gud" is the answer. To him I'd say "do it yourself, stop using the dev muscle to babysit you".
"I got matched up with a person whose roster was stronger than mine, and I didn't want to have to try, so I just gave up."
I've won matches against people with much stronger rosters than mine, and I've lost against people with weaker rosters, either because I got reckless and made dumb mistakes or because they modded a "bad" team really well or something. Or most frequently because they had a strong Nightsister team on D and I still haven't built my Imperial Troopers.
Point is, you may lose due to your opponent having an advantage, but you'll definitely lose if you just throw up your hands every time you get a tough matchup.
To be fair, there werent too many GAs up until Revan, lol.
Git gud means what it means. If your GA win rate is decreasing over time, and not increasing, youre simply bad at this game.
Dude you're totally taking things out of context. I basically just told you I came in a tie with a guy who has the most powerful squad in the game and don't. I also just said I cleared a guy fully but again but I lost an attempt to his Revan which cost me the match. Do I sound like I'm not trying to win?
You're comparing a boxer who's fighting another boxer. What if that boxer had to fight against a bear? Or a gorilla? Would you say the same thing then? Worst thing you can do to make your case is to exaggerate and misquote people's words, it really doesn't serve you well
So unless I save my crystals I am a bad player? Yeah this conversation is over you're a troll and you don't deserve people's time.
It’s your choice to save resources or not, but if you aren’t willing to save them and you also aren’t willing to spend money, then you know you’re not going to get the latest exclusive characters so you should expect to be less competitive in PvP game modes against those who made different choices.