What movie is actually good ?

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Stick
417 posts Member
edited May 13
I’ve been a fan my whole life. Sometimes I think that I’m the only person who likes Star Wars. I understand that not all the movies are of equal quality , but when you think about how internet fandom exists , it really seems like episode 5 is the only one that is accepted as good. So that’s what has me wondering why Star Wars is popular.

General internet fan quotes :
Episode 4 is great, but the dialogue is bad. Vader’s first name isn’t darth , why is his lightsaber white
Episode 6
What’s with ewoks , the dialogue is lame. Why did the sister thing pop up

Episode 1-3
Why cgi , why let the guy who created it and funded it and helmed it , have his choice
Why so many fights. Why so athletic
Why jarjar
Why anakin quote
Lame joke about sand

Episode 7
Rip off of episode 4. Another one I didn’t like
Rey has no skills

Rogue one
Why did directors change
Why is a girl the lead
Why did we need this

Episode 8
Too many girls
Why isn’t it like George Lucas made it. But I hate when he has free rein
That’s not MY luke ( it’s not yours)
Rey still has no skills. Why does she beat luke

Solo
He’s not Harrison Ford of 40 years ago
It didn’t sell as many tickets
Sexual robot

Episode 5
Lucas had nothing to do with it
Bounty hunters look cool scene
It’s the best Star Wars
Plot twist




Many of these references are from this very forum. I’m just curious why everyone hates all the movies accept 5 , yet we have so many fans , so much love. What’s the deal. We all like it. So just say it. And if you say you like the old extended universe , don’t bother

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  • CCyrilS
    3526 posts Member
    Some are better than others, but honestly if I'm just flipping channels and come across a star wars movie, there isn't one I won't stop and watch.
  • I wasn't aware of a change in directors of Rogue One. Wasn't it always Gareth Edwards? I've also never heard of any complaints of having a female lead for RO.
  • TVF
    17330 posts Member
    The directors changed on Solo.... which is all I'm going to say about this thread lol.
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  • Stick
    417 posts Member
    Ha. Ya you’re right about directors.
  • LordDirt
    667 posts Member
    Internet = hate. Do not ever go online for positively.
  • DarthKoon
    437 posts Member
    There's always going to be hate on the Internet. I for one didn't think any of them were that bad but it's the people who do that are really vocal about it.
  • leef
    13052 posts Member
    The big lebowski is actually a good movie, i haven't seen those sw movies.
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  • Truthfully considering all movies now, peoples expectations have changed a lot over the years. The first time the movies were good, the people either didnt care or they wrote better scripts back then.

    Consider the venom movie as an example. People liked the character (most people)
    But they hated the movie storyline. It was either awfully done or just not what people wanted. So truth fully, i cannot recommend or point you to any good movies that I know that would meet your expectations.
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  • Mostly personal tastes, man. A good film is whatever you enjoy. Like music, nobody can tell you what you will like.
    But the biggest problem with the SW film franchise is the plot holes. Seemed as though George could not be troubled to make sure the story was coherent. And that's mainly where Ep. 1-3 failed. Ep. 8 too, violently so.
    I think you need the right mix of action and character growth to make a good film. It's hard to fit any decent character development into a fantasy action story when the characters are always on the move. There is too much focus on impressive effects, not enough in the slow moments. This is where Ep. 5 excelled; we got to know the players much better, and it's why we love them.
    The original Terminator film had the right mix of action and growth too.
    But again, that's the kind of stuff that makes a good film to me. What do you like in a film?
  • Stick
    417 posts Member
    Don’t start with the plot holes thing. Everyone says plot holes as if they don’t know what the word plot means.
  • Stick wrote: »
    Don’t start with the plot holes thing. Everyone says plot holes as if they don’t know what the word plot means.

    I see you are just here to start a fight. I don't feel like it, so you just have fun playing with yourself.
  • Mostly personal tastes, man. A good film is whatever you enjoy. Like music, nobody can tell you what you will like.
    But the biggest problem with the SW film franchise is the plot holes. Seemed as though George could not be troubled to make sure the story was coherent. And that's mainly where Ep. 1-3 failed. Ep. 8 too, violently so.
    I think you need the right mix of action and character growth to make a good film. It's hard to fit any decent character development into a fantasy action story when the characters are always on the move. There is too much focus on impressive effects, not enough in the slow moments. This is where Ep. 5 excelled; we got to know the players much better, and it's why we love them.
    The original Terminator film had the right mix of action and growth too.
    But again, that's the kind of stuff that makes a good film to me. What do you like in a film?

    What plot holes (I'm by trying start an argument here I genuinely can only think of one)?
  • Dk_rek
    3180 posts Member
    Ryanwhales wrote: »
    Truthfully considering all movies now, peoples expectations have changed a lot over the years. The first time the movies were good, the people either didnt care or they wrote better scripts back then.

    Consider the venom movie as an example. People liked the character (most people)
    But they hated the movie storyline. It was either awfully done or just not what people wanted. So truth fully, i cannot recommend or point you to any good movies that I know that would meet your expectations.


    This is a list of "most" of the movies that no matter what I'm doing or watching if I see it on I will stop and immediately put them on because I feel they are amazing movies. A lot of them are a lot deeper than they are given credit for.

    The thing that stands out with this list is I don't think there is anything post 2000 on that list....does not say a lot about current movies.... Action is amazing...Graphics amazing...storys meh I'm sure I could add a few post 2000 movies to the list but none come off the top of my head

    Big Trouble in Little China
    The Last Starfighter
    The Big Lebowski
    Night of the Comet
    Godfather 1&2
    Last Action Hero (so underrated)
    Jake Speed
    Remo Williams
    Goodfellas
    Major League
    Casino
    Hondo
    The man who shot Liberty Valance


  • Stick
    417 posts Member
    DarthKoon wrote: »
    Mostly personal tastes, man. A good film is whatever you enjoy. Like music, nobody can tell you what you will like.
    But the biggest problem with the SW film franchise is the plot holes. Seemed as though George could not be troubled to make sure the story was coherent. And that's mainly where Ep. 1-3 failed. Ep. 8 too, violently so.
    I think you need the right mix of action and character growth to make a good film. It's hard to fit any decent character development into a fantasy action story when the characters are always on the move. There is too much focus on impressive effects, not enough in the slow moments. This is where Ep. 5 excelled; we got to know the players much better, and it's why we love them.
    The original Terminator film had the right mix of action and growth too.
    But again, that's the kind of stuff that makes a good film to me. What do you like in a film?

    What plot holes (I'm by trying start an argument here I genuinely can only think of one)?

    Yea exactly. People use plot hole too freely as a criticism. A plot hole is incoherence within the plot. Saying “ why didn’t they think of that before “ is not a plot hole.

  • I've been a lifelong fan and I honestly enjoyed all the movies(even Solo). Some are better than others, but I still enjoy watching. The concept of a sci fi epic that spans over 4 actual decades in real life. The old characters that you've known and followed for all those years grow on you... Which is why I think everyone gives the newer trilogy so much flak. They don't like that the newer characters(that people have only known a few years) are being propped up along side long time ones.
  • APX_919
    2262 posts Member
    Episode 1 and episode 2 have awful dialog and a weak plot. Episodes 3 through 6 have awful dialog (but not constantly) yet they also have good plots. Episode 7 has the same issues as 4 since it is a copy of 4. Rogue one has better dialog and a great plot. Solo has a good plot but weaker dialog. Episode 8 is...very different.
    "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...mostly"
  • TVF
    17330 posts Member
    I wouldn't consider Ep 3 doing a paint-by-numbers rushed "GET TO EP 4" a good plot, or at least not a well-executed one.
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  • CCyrilS
    3526 posts Member
    Dk_rek wrote: »
    Ryanwhales wrote: »
    Truthfully considering all movies now, peoples expectations have changed a lot over the years. The first time the movies were good, the people either didnt care or they wrote better scripts back then.

    Consider the venom movie as an example. People liked the character (most people)
    But they hated the movie storyline. It was either awfully done or just not what people wanted. So truth fully, i cannot recommend or point you to any good movies that I know that would meet your expectations.


    This is a list of "most" of the movies that no matter what I'm doing or watching if I see it on I will stop and immediately put them on because I feel they are amazing movies. A lot of them are a lot deeper than they are given credit for.

    The thing that stands out with this list is I don't think there is anything post 2000 on that list....does not say a lot about current movies.... Action is amazing...Graphics amazing...storys meh I'm sure I could add a few post 2000 movies to the list but none come off the top of my head

    Big Trouble in Little China
    The Last Starfighter
    The Big Lebowski
    Night of the Comet
    Godfather 1&2
    Last Action Hero (so underrated)
    Jake Speed
    Remo Williams
    Goodfellas
    Major League
    Casino
    Hondo
    The man who shot Liberty Valance


    Pretty good, but you forgot top gun and rocky
  • Zenbreon
    305 posts Member
    Any movie with Captain Jack Sparrow or Indiana Jones is a good moviein my eyes.
  • Dk_rek
    3180 posts Member
    Zenbreon wrote: »
    Any movie with Captain MORGAN or Indiana Jones is a good moviein my eyes.

  • Zenbreon
    305 posts Member
    edited May 17
    Zenbreon wrote: »
    Any movie with Captain MORGAN or Indiana Jones is a good moviein my eyes.


    Who is Captain Morgan?
  • Zenbreon wrote: »
    Zenbreon wrote: »
    Any movie with Captain MORGAN or Indiana Jones is a good moviein my eyes.


    Who is Captain Morgan?
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  • TVF
    17330 posts Member
    That's Captain Morgan, not Captain MORGAN.
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  • TVF wrote: »
    That's Captain Morgan, not Captain MORGAN.

    That depends on the person you are when you've been in his company for a bit. B)
  • If you want a quality Star Wars movie, check out the Christmas Special.
  • APX_919
    2262 posts Member
    If you want a quality Star Wars movie, check out the Christmas Special.

    It also functions as a purgative and a cathartic! Only good thing to come from that cinematic abomination was Boba Fett.
    "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...mostly"
  • TVF
    17330 posts Member
    APX_919 wrote: »
    If you want a quality Star Wars movie, check out the Christmas Special.

    It also functions as a purgative and a cathartic! Only good thing to come from that cinematic abomination was Boba Fett.

    I can't watch it because I find it boring.
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  • I like the idea of the movies even if the execution was not that great. I think I was like 8 when Ep 1 came out and I seem to remember loving it but looking back now I'm not sure why. My dad took me to all of the movies and had me watch the 4-6 with him. It is cool escapism and a fun two hours, but if I take the time to give them a critical eye or worry about continuity it falls apart.
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  • Almost everyone is exposed to Star Wars as a child, when we are impressionable and imaginative and unsullied by life's whimsical nature. As we age, we have more basis to compare things against and more acquired bias. Some things, no matter how incredible, can ever make the impact on us as adults they would have as children.

    Movies that would have made massive impressions on you in your "formative" years don't now because the bar to make that kind of impression has risen too high to be obtainable.
  • Almost everyone is exposed to Star Wars as a child, when we are impressionable and imaginative and unsullied by life's whimsical nature. As we age, we have more basis to compare things against and more acquired bias. Some things, no matter how incredible, can ever make the impact on us as adults they would have as children.

    Movies that would have made massive impressions on you in your "formative" years don't now because the bar to make that kind of impression has risen too high to be obtainable.

    This. The Prequels will always be my jam because of the age I saw them at. I saw 4, 5, and 6 around age 5 and thought it was soooo cool and immediately fell in love. But then the Prequels came out and showed me what Star Wars really could be and as a 10 year old (I think) I was completely swept away. The lightsaber battles, Darth freakin Maul, pod racing, those awesome Naboo Starfighters, Natalie Portman, all of it was like 😱 this is sooo much better than the other stuff! Obviously I’ve come down a bit, but I will always treat the Prequels as the Star Wars that grabbed a hold and has yet to let go.
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