Jtr is pretty good against BH but so is most other strong teams now. What we really need is a list of team comps and what teams they can consistently beat.
Edit: so like every relevant team that cls can beat and the same for other teams
NS isn't a hard counter to CLS anymore. That boat sailed with Chewbacca.
Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
O.o Even with 3po NS gobbles up CLS the vast majority of the time if geared/modded properly. It continues to amaze me that people think CLS is good on defense.
NS isn't a hard counter to CLS anymore. That boat sailed with Chewbacca.
Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
O.o Even with 3po NS gobbles up CLS the vast majority of the time if geared/modded properly. It continues to amaze me that people think CLS is good on defense.
NS isn't a hard counter to CLS anymore. That boat sailed with Chewbacca.
Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
O.o Even with 3po NS gobbles up CLS the vast majority of the time if geared/modded properly. It continues to amaze me that people think CLS is good on defense.
When you can easily beat NS with CLS on offense, it's not a hard counter. Just because the reverse is also true, doesn't make it a hard counter.
NS isn't a hard counter to CLS anymore. That boat sailed with Chewbacca.
Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
O.o Even with 3po NS gobbles up CLS the vast majority of the time if geared/modded properly. It continues to amaze me that people think CLS is good on defense.
People think that?
Are we talking arena or GA/TW? Because probably my best performing defense to date in GA/TW is CLS/Han/Chewie/Bistan/Old Ben. I think people underrate it. Bistan with Chewie combines Frenzy and Guard which is incredible, and Old Ben continues to be one of the most versatile, underrated characters in the game IMO.
If we are talking arena defense then yeah, CLS is simply outdated.
NS isn't a hard counter to CLS anymore. That boat sailed with Chewbacca.
Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
O.o Even with 3po NS gobbles up CLS the vast majority of the time if geared/modded properly. It continues to amaze me that people think CLS is good on defense.
People think that?
Are we talking arena or GA/TW? Because probably my best performing defense to date in GA/TW is CLS/Han/Chewie/Bistan/Old Ben. I think people underrate it. Bistan with Chewie combines Frenzy and Guard which is incredible, and Old Ben continues to be one of the most versatile, underrated characters in the game IMO.
If we are talking arena defense then yeah, CLS is simply outdated.
I was thinking of arena, personally. For TW I agree, having an underrated squad is pure gold. For me, my Quira squad gets them every time.
NS isn't a hard counter to CLS anymore. That boat sailed with Chewbacca.
Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
NS is such an amazing counter to CLS. 3 zetas NS can take out 10 zetas CLS. i dont even know what you talking about.
use MT L, you have 2 revives and then, well, much more. focus hard on chewie, and its super easy. they have nothing vs plague, and the revives from zombie make the opening salvo... redundant.
@H_B0MBZ im adding 2 pictures. Those pictures show some 'counters' but lot of them need the further explanation or you'll fail vs it :
example of stuff that need the explanations so it'll work for you- pretty much everything listed vs dRevan. NS, BH... so this TL;DR list is after you familiar with the counters, strategy, how it works, modding, and such.
NS isn't a hard counter to CLS anymore. That boat sailed with Chewbacca.
Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
O.o Even with 3po NS gobbles up CLS the vast majority of the time if geared/modded properly. It continues to amaze me that people think CLS is good on defense.
Who’s talking about cls on defence. We’re talking about counters. No teams going to be able to hold on defence. The most important factor in what you’re talking about is that the a1 is using luke , not a person. A player controlled luke team will kill nightsisters. That’s true for almost every “ counter team “ the real factor is user vs Ai
Some of that stuff on the list makes me chuckle....NS and jango bh counter DR? Lol they dont even get a turn
and this is exactly why i said THOSE are the examples to "you need to see the explanation so it will work".
your lack of faith and knowledge about this teams make me chuckle
Jango himself have 4+ more base speed than DR, and also 30+ speed from his L. making him 34 speed faster than DR BEFORE modding. "not getting turns"? is this a joke ?
before you chuckle on my list, l2p. =]
and @H_B0MBZ as said, those need explanations. watch videos etc. very easy to find as well. the team comp is Jango, Boba, Bossk, Dengar, Nest/Zam. you activate the contract asap, use boba execute, and the main strat is having Jango eating attacks with deathmark, as he cant die.
all team will have revive, and they have the damage output to kill DR teams - especially because Jango and Boba damage is off the roof when lot of debuffs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pQpoX02aCs
its not mod dependent if it can work with WORSE mods. and it is. as said, jango is 34+ faster than DR before modding. its really hard to not get a turn with them.
also, @Kokie not offense or something of course. just the 'chuckle' thing is annoying thing to say if you dont even suggest anything better.
but be honest with yourself. if you think so badly about these teams that they cant beat DR, you need to recheck, and you have stuff to learn about them.
also, there's this epic stuff, of Urzatron losing to BH on offense with his DR malak. not that it make my point stronger (cause all im saying is that BH can beat DR when modded *PROPERLY*), but mainly because its funny, and its underestimate of the B tier teams, that can be really good if you know what you doing. the video of funny lose : https://youtu.be/HuHQLtV6d-0?t=3872
its not mod dependent if it can work with WORSE mods. and it is. as said, jango is 34+ faster than DR before modding. its really hard to not get a turn with them.
also, @Kokie not offense or something of course. just the 'chuckle' thing is annoying thing to say if you dont even suggest anything better.
but be honest with yourself. if you think so badly about these teams that they cant beat DR, you need to recheck, and you have stuff to learn about them.
also, there's this epic stuff, of Urzatron losing to BH on offense with his DR malak. not that it make my point stronger (cause all im saying is that BH can beat DR when modded *PROPERLY*), but mainly because its funny, and its underestimate of the B tier teams, that can be really good if you know what you doing. the video of funny lose : https://youtu.be/HuHQLtV6d-0?t=3872
You are talking to someone who has a maxed BH team and used them in arena to take 1st before JKR dropped so I know what I'm saying when i say they arent a reliable counter to DR. Sure against a dreadfully under modded team they can win but you bring that same team against a top tier arena team and not going to happen
Never had any issues destroying IMP troopers with my NS myself. The only team that took a little thinking was the ep/Sith teams for NS. (But this all heavily mod dependent)
Lots of factors but ya , it can go either way. Depends a lot on each teams setup
its not mod dependent if it can work with WORSE mods. and it is. as said, jango is 34+ faster than DR before modding. its really hard to not get a turn with them.
also, @Kokie not offense or something of course. just the 'chuckle' thing is annoying thing to say if you dont even suggest anything better.
but be honest with yourself. if you think so badly about these teams that they cant beat DR, you need to recheck, and you have stuff to learn about them.
also, there's this epic stuff, of Urzatron losing to BH on offense with his DR malak. not that it make my point stronger (cause all im saying is that BH can beat DR when modded *PROPERLY*), but mainly because its funny, and its underestimate of the B tier teams, that can be really good if you know what you doing. the video of funny lose : https://youtu.be/HuHQLtV6d-0?t=3872
You are talking to someone who has a maxed BH team and used them in arena to take 1st before JKR dropped so I know what I'm saying when i say they arent a reliable counter to DR. Sure against a dreadfully under modded team they can win but you bring that same team against a top tier arena team and not going to happen
you chuckle on BH ability to take DR, even tho you used them in arena ?
you think BH won't be able to even take a single turn vs DR, even tho you used them in arena ?
one of your statement is a straight up lie, or you are one of the worst BH players in the game.
while JKR is not beatable by BHs, DR is a different story. the fact you are so struggling to believe, even after you see videos, is beyond me, really. in the first video, the player there shows 5 different wins with his BH vs DRs in arena, and your comment is "dreadfully under modded team" ? you really lack serious knowledge or you just trolling me i guess.
was digging a bit in your comments. "Bossk, Dengar, Boba, Jango, Embo is the optimal squad for Chewie/arena" - you supported that claim. considering Jango L with Nest is the most optimal, im not so sure you know your stuff about BH.
also, you have DR and Malak, so dont act like you tried with your BH vs them. try it before you "chuckle".
Hmmm never knew we could use nest to get chewie.....totally missed that.....oh and I looked at the meta report on how many jango leads are in 1st...oh my! There is 1. And 1 bossk...so if it's so easy to best DR there should be more than 1 in1st place but alas there isnt...and as for if I tried using them...yes I have and I consider any counter team where I have under a 50% chance to counter not a very reliable counter team. I will concede you can easily get jango faster than DR but once the tm train gets rolling DR teams leave them in the dust. I'm not trolling you but speaking from experience.
no, thats the problem, you are not speaking from experience. if you had experience you would know that all of the DR team hits will go on a damage immunity jango, nullifying their turns completely.
about the why would anyone use them in arena.. there are no reason. everyone have JKR, JKR can also beat DR, and he hold better on def. there's no reason to use Jango on arena.
anyway, im done with this discussion, its useless. thanks for your 0 contribution
no, thats the problem, you are not speaking from experience. if you had experience you would know that all of the DR team hits will go on a damage immunity jango, nullifying their turns completely.
about the why would anyone use them in arena.. there are no reason. everyone have JKR, JKR can also beat DR, and he hold better on def. there's no reason to use Jango on arena.
anyway, im done with this discussion, its useless. thanks for your 0 contribution
Good discussion and no hard feelings but the main problem with jango led bh countering DR teams is every time they aoe they get fear which means for one the contract wont get filled fast enough to get jangos damage immunity going and also with tenacity up from Bastille on the first turn some of those critical debuffs wont stick.
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Edit: and yes, I get what you're saying, I just have no comment.
Edit: so like every relevant team that cls can beat and the same for other teams
O.o Even with 3po NS gobbles up CLS the vast majority of the time if geared/modded properly. It continues to amaze me that people think CLS is good on defense.
People think that?
Rock, paper, scissors does not necessarily work well when scaled up and used for game balance.
Something like this (not my work, just sharing the link!)
https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/bfseip/is_there_an_updated_list_of_tw_and_ga_counters/
When you can easily beat NS with CLS on offense, it's not a hard counter. Just because the reverse is also true, doesn't make it a hard counter.
Are we talking arena or GA/TW? Because probably my best performing defense to date in GA/TW is CLS/Han/Chewie/Bistan/Old Ben. I think people underrate it. Bistan with Chewie combines Frenzy and Guard which is incredible, and Old Ben continues to be one of the most versatile, underrated characters in the game IMO.
If we are talking arena defense then yeah, CLS is simply outdated.
As well as second and third 🙈
I was thinking of arena, personally. For TW I agree, having an underrated squad is pure gold. For me, my Quira squad gets them every time.
NS is such an amazing counter to CLS. 3 zetas NS can take out 10 zetas CLS. i dont even know what you talking about.
use MT L, you have 2 revives and then, well, much more. focus hard on chewie, and its super easy. they have nothing vs plague, and the revives from zombie make the opening salvo... redundant.
@H_B0MBZ im adding 2 pictures. Those pictures show some 'counters' but lot of them need the further explanation or you'll fail vs it :
example of stuff that need the explanations so it'll work for you- pretty much everything listed vs dRevan. NS, BH... so this TL;DR list is after you familiar with the counters, strategy, how it works, modding, and such.
Who’s talking about cls on defence. We’re talking about counters. No teams going to be able to hold on defence. The most important factor in what you’re talking about is that the a1 is using luke , not a person. A player controlled luke team will kill nightsisters. That’s true for almost every “ counter team “ the real factor is user vs Ai
That's very interesting. What's the line up? Also is it rng dependent at all? Mod dependent?
But.....they said it doesn't counter DR....
and this is exactly why i said THOSE are the examples to "you need to see the explanation so it will work".
your lack of faith and knowledge about this teams make me chuckle
Jango himself have 4+ more base speed than DR, and also 30+ speed from his L. making him 34 speed faster than DR BEFORE modding. "not getting turns"? is this a joke ?
before you chuckle on my list, l2p. =]
and @H_B0MBZ as said, those need explanations. watch videos etc. very easy to find as well. the team comp is Jango, Boba, Bossk, Dengar, Nest/Zam. you activate the contract asap, use boba execute, and the main strat is having Jango eating attacks with deathmark, as he cant die.
all team will have revive, and they have the damage output to kill DR teams - especially because Jango and Boba damage is off the roof when lot of debuffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pQpoX02aCs
also, @Kokie not offense or something of course. just the 'chuckle' thing is annoying thing to say if you dont even suggest anything better.
but be honest with yourself. if you think so badly about these teams that they cant beat DR, you need to recheck, and you have stuff to learn about them.
also, there's this epic stuff, of Urzatron losing to BH on offense with his DR malak. not that it make my point stronger (cause all im saying is that BH can beat DR when modded *PROPERLY*), but mainly because its funny, and its underestimate of the B tier teams, that can be really good if you know what you doing. the video of funny lose : https://youtu.be/HuHQLtV6d-0?t=3872
There's tons of teams in my shard that I have more than a +34 advantage on.
You are talking to someone who has a maxed BH team and used them in arena to take 1st before JKR dropped so I know what I'm saying when i say they arent a reliable counter to DR. Sure against a dreadfully under modded team they can win but you bring that same team against a top tier arena team and not going to happen
Lots of factors but ya , it can go either way. Depends a lot on each teams setup
you chuckle on BH ability to take DR, even tho you used them in arena ?
you think BH won't be able to even take a single turn vs DR, even tho you used them in arena ?
one of your statement is a straight up lie, or you are one of the worst BH players in the game.
while JKR is not beatable by BHs, DR is a different story. the fact you are so struggling to believe, even after you see videos, is beyond me, really. in the first video, the player there shows 5 different wins with his BH vs DRs in arena, and your comment is "dreadfully under modded team" ? you really lack serious knowledge or you just trolling me i guess.
was digging a bit in your comments. "Bossk, Dengar, Boba, Jango, Embo is the optimal squad for Chewie/arena" - you supported that claim. considering Jango L with Nest is the most optimal, im not so sure you know your stuff about BH.
also, you have DR and Malak, so dont act like you tried with your BH vs them. try it before you "chuckle".
about the why would anyone use them in arena.. there are no reason. everyone have JKR, JKR can also beat DR, and he hold better on def. there's no reason to use Jango on arena.
anyway, im done with this discussion, its useless. thanks for your 0 contribution
Same here. This could have been a productive thread. We need an updated counters list. Oh well. Hopefully someone will create one soon.
Good discussion and no hard feelings but the main problem with jango led bh countering DR teams is every time they aoe they get fear which means for one the contract wont get filled fast enough to get jangos damage immunity going and also with tenacity up from Bastille on the first turn some of those critical debuffs wont stick.