48 Stars and do I need to leave my guild?
Not everyone has "The frozen Empire" achievement where your guild needs to get 48 stars in the Hoth TB.
With the new Geonosis TB, for those guild members that are still lacking this achievement, will they be forced to go to another guild if the one they are in only wants to to the Geonosis TB?
Is it fair to the rest of the guild to do a Hoth TB just for those members missing the achievement and miss out on the extra goodies from the Geonosis TB?
I surmise that a guild that is powerful enough to get 48 Stars might, as a majority, would want to only do the Geonosis TB. New guild members be darned.
With the new Geonosis TB, for those guild members that are still lacking this achievement, will they be forced to go to another guild if the one they are in only wants to to the Geonosis TB?
Is it fair to the rest of the guild to do a Hoth TB just for those members missing the achievement and miss out on the extra goodies from the Geonosis TB?
I surmise that a guild that is powerful enough to get 48 Stars might, as a majority, would want to only do the Geonosis TB. New guild members be darned.
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That's all great, but what about people that still need Imperial Probe droid shards? They can only be found in the Hoth TB.
Having an open discussion with your guild to do a hoth TB once in a while is always an option, but everytime you do this, the guild falls behind on Geonosis TB rewards. This brings me back to my "Is it fair to the rest of the guild" question I asked.
Choosing not to play something is totally different from not being able to do it because there aren't "time slot" for it.
That is something that can break the game and it ISN'T a must... they are just choosing the easiest way for the development and exploration point of view... not the best solution for the costumers (players).
I believe IPD is available in another event, so not exclusive to TB. Also we dont know the future, they may make those shards available in other locations with this addition.
Our alliance will regularly restructure a guild to max stars on a TB allowing players to get the achievements. It may happen less often at the higher end now, but it's nothing that you cant discuss with your guild and work out.
One time no, not a major issue, but imagine you are a guild leader and every 3 months a new guild member joins asking for a Hoth TB because they need the achievement or they need IPD (Imperial Probe Droid) shards.
Take myself as an example, my IPD is at 5 stars. How many Hoth TBs will that take to get me to 7 stars? How fair is that to the guild as a whole if the majority wants the Geonosis TB rewards?
Kyno does make a fair point in stating that the IPD shards are available in another event as well as having an alliance of guilds that will restructure a guild just for the purpose of the achievement & shards. Solutions do exist, but they require ALOT of extra coordination and doing a Hoth TB still means that you as an individual will be falling behind.
Both IPD and ROLO are available in one of the Galactic Bounties events, I forget which.
See a lot of comments that face this as a progressive matter... Geo TB as a kind of evolution tier for Hoth TB.
I wouldnt had any issues at all if that was true. The problem is that doesn't seem like it. If it was a progressive feature then we wouldn't have to choose anything... they just allow some kind of sim on Hoth TB for some guilds (like Rancor sim) or just incorporate all max rewards from Hoth in the minimuns rewards we can get on Geo TB.
I feel like everybody who makes the argument that this is unprecedented wasn't around in the days when you had to choose between challenge tiers with mutually exclusive rewards.
It's GB1. The issues there are:
A: GB1 comes around once a month, sometimes less, so it'd take ages to get a 7* probe droid that way
B: It also offers Wampa shards, which are objectively more valuable
Yes of course the achievement itself but one comes with the other. You cannot gain the achievement without gaining the rewards as well.
I'm arround since 2015 so I know what you are saying.
I never told this was unprecedented... I told this was BAD and that is avoidable.
Unfortunately, as you said, it happened in challenges BUT that was solved, cause didn' t make any sense. Now, comparing a challenge that happens 2 or 3 times a week to a complex feature that takes near a week and only comes by 1 time a month is far-fetched.
Yes, and on top of all that it’s 20 shards per month or less, whereas Hoth TB used to provide a possible 100 per month, knocked down to 50...because the new TB was supposed to somehow make this reduction make sense???
Lol, have fun getting ipd and rolo from galactic bounties if you are a new player. 20 shards (maybe) a month. Not gonna happen.
Be that as it may, the question I originally posed is still the issue at hand.
If it were me, if I were a new whale and capable of being in a higher end guild I’d probably forgo the achievement.
However, if I were in a125m gp guild who tried the geo tb, didn’t get as far as I arrogantly thought the guild would which resulted in receiving enough rewards where it would take several months to craft even one finisher, I’d probably just keep plugging away at the old tb until such a time where everyone is actually ready to make the attempts at geo tb worth it. I’m saying that before we see rewards. Still, I imagine 40+ stars in hoth tb is better than 5-10 (generously) in geo tb, dependent on player level.
It's not clear that leaving your guild would even help. How would you even find a guild to get you the achievement? Any guild that's capable of getting 48* is also only going to be doing Geo. Hey maybe somebody will set up a guild that's just for people trying to get the achievement and each month 50 people with high enough GP join it for a week and then go back where they were.
That's a completely different thing. That's on the player joining the guild. Let's assume my guild does the one-time DS Hoth to get the 48* achievement, and intends to do GTB exclusively otherwise. Once we've done the one-time 48*, whenever we are recruiting or someone is looking to join, we would make it clear that we only do GTB, and not Hoth. If someone joins, it's with the understanding that they're not getting the achievement with us, or the shards from the Hoth TBs.
A 48 star achieving guild will be very good at the new TB, thus things to gain from the new TB on your side and rest of the guild will be quite a lot better.
IPD shards are a more debatable territory which CG needs to somehow address, the achievement thingie is not.
IPD was reduced to 50 because geo TB, so I imagine IPD shards will be available in Geo TB or we have been hustled