Thank you for the changes

Hell8MySoul
206 posts Member
edited June 2019
I’ve seen the various posts and complaints about the current gac matchmaking but I’m actually for this change. Yes I’m one of the bloated gp players when it was useful for Tb and before grand arena existed. Now my group, even though they have good rosters, has seemed a lot more evenly matched. None of my group have malek where normally I was the only one not to, and our padmes and revans are around the same star level/gp. So, despite all your complaints.. I just wanted to say thanks for the efforts to start changing it. I was one of the ones being put off highly by grand arena but this, for me, seems to be the start of a positive step forward.

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  • Yep....the people complaining are just people who tanked GP and pulled off mods and didn't activate characters and ran "lean" rosters in an effort to game the matchmaking system to try to get mismatches. They got comfortable with their easy match-ups. Now that they have to face people who are fairly similar in rosters in terms of G9s through G12s, they are facing the reality that they'll actually have to earn their wins.
  • You guys don't know what you're talking about. I don't have that many mods to pull off. The matchmaking is messed uptzub02yaziqx.png
  • 96v311 6 dot mods. Rip.
  • 6 dot mods doesn’t indicate much when I’ve seen people with 6 dot mods and no speed or low speed secondary. Plus I’m not saying the process has been perfected, I’m sure there is a fair few out there where the matchup hadn’t worked out fairly but I’m just commenting from my current matchups for this round of gac. All I’m commenting on is the changes I’ve noticed for my current matchups where I’ve normally always been outmatched but this time it’s a lot more even
  • Entus
    161 posts Member
    edited June 2019
    Lol and u have 2 people agreeing. Well see if these changes stick eh? :) im going to guess they wont and this ga will be cancelled
  • Entus
    161 posts Member
    Yep....the people complaining are just people who tanked GP and pulled off mods and didn't activate characters and ran "lean" rosters in an effort to game the matchmaking system to try to get mismatches. They got comfortable with their easy match-ups. Now that they have to face people who are fairly similar in rosters in terms of G9s through G12s, they are facing the reality that they'll actually have to earn their wins.

    Ur an **** then
  • Entus wrote: »
    Lol and u have 2 people agreeing. Well see if these changes stick eh? :) im going to guess they wont and this ga will be cancelled

    Whether they stick or not, it’s at least a sign that they are working on the system of making matchups more even rather than the normal 2 players with lean rosters 2 players with decent rosters and 4 players with bloated roster scenario
  • Entus
    161 posts Member
    Thats never how ot was for me or anyone i know. However, im in the top brackets. I have heard lower gp was mismatched a lottle strangely on occasion. But this allows for insane mismatches. If this is supposed to be a championship, they need a better way. A souped up roadster is never going to beat a formula 1. The old system didnt allow for such mismatches.
  • Entus wrote: »
    Thats never how ot was for me or anyone i know. However, im in the top brackets. I have heard lower gp was mismatched a lottle strangely on occasion. But this allows for insane mismatches. If this is supposed to be a championship, they need a better way. A souped up roadster is never going to beat a formula 1. The old system didnt allow for such mismatches.

    As I say, I’m sure the process has flaws... this is cg we are talking about of course something new hasn’t been perfected. I know I was always getting grouped with malak owners and better developed revan teams when I didn’t have malak. Even though my gp was the same or very close it still affected my matchmaking due to the fact my roster was (and still is but slowly getting better) bloated due to being suitable for Tb and not grand arena when it eventually came out. All my group this round has darth revan, ls revan, padme in various star levels... but no malaks. And I’m paired with people who have 100-200k more and 200-400k less character gp than me. Just saying, for me at least, on this occasion they seemed to have started to get it right (I know not for everyone else)
  • TVF
    36577 posts Member
    Entus wrote: »
    Yep....the people complaining are just people who tanked GP and pulled off mods and didn't activate characters and ran "lean" rosters in an effort to game the matchmaking system to try to get mismatches. They got comfortable with their easy match-ups. Now that they have to face people who are fairly similar in rosters in terms of G9s through G12s, they are facing the reality that they'll actually have to earn their wins.

    Ur an **** then

    This is a strong argument.
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  • Dk_rek
    3299 posts Member
    edited June 2019
    Entus wrote: »
    Lol and u have 2 people agreeing. Well see if these changes stick eh? :) im going to guess they wont and this ga will be cancelled

    Cancelled why ?..... under the old system every GA i was fighting people I had 0 chance against setting one team 80% of the time.... the new system seems to be pretty good

    WITH SOME PEOPLE falling through the cracks..... but out of a million matchups how many are falling through the cracks..... that's important...

    I have 0 % chance to win this GAC as there is a god in our bracket but 2-8 are all very close fun fair matchups...

    that's way better than before.....

    can't keep cancelling everyone for a big mismatch here and there.... we gotta play the stinking thing so if there is a problem they can build a sample size for data comparison.

    let them playyyyyy

    then again people were losing their minds over FORTY gac tokens which buys NOTHING...not even part of nothing.... so yeah people losing their minds over nothing...


    honestly I WOULD SUGGEST to anyone who feels they have the most ridiculous 120 G12 differnce matchup to submit a ticket saying bug in the matchmaking ruined their GAC and to request some kind of reimbursement for the possibly small percentage of people this happened to

    you get your rewards and everyone else get's to play
  • 6 dot mods doesn’t indicate much when I’ve seen people with 6 dot mods and no speed or low speed secondary. Plus I’m not saying the process has been perfected, I’m sure there is a fair few out there where the matchup hadn’t worked out fairly but I’m just commenting from my current matchups for this round of gac. All I’m commenting on is the changes I’ve noticed for my current matchups where I’ve normally always been outmatched but this time it’s a lot more even

    Yeah, it's not like a tripled Health, Defense, Protection, or almost any other stat has anything to say...
  • Hassos
    10 posts Member
    I’ve seen the various posts and complaints about the current gac matchmaking but I’m actually for this change. Yes I’m one of the bloated gp players when it was useful for Tb and before grand arena existed. Now my group, even though they have good rosters, has seemed a lot more evenly matched. None of my group have malek where normally I was the only one not to, and our padmes and revans are around the same star level/gp. So, despite all your complaints.. I just wanted to say thanks for the efforts to start changing it. I was one of the ones being put off highly by grand arena but this, for me, seems to be the start of a positive step forward.

    Hahaha you made my day by your post.

    Probably you are the guy with jedi knight guardian, jedi consular and other "powerfull" characters maxed on g12 and you are laughing about complaining another players but... you are crying because you dont have malak and they had 😁. So now is good because I have 50 zetas, you 30 but g12 characters you have 80 more? Or you have 100 6* mods more which "doesnt matter".

    For you balance is when player with knowledge, with 1.5 mln gp and full g12 jkr team and 2 semi-strong teams (because he is playing 1 year) is faced up with guy like you "oh i dont have padme jkr drevan blabla" who is playing 2 years, having 1 mln more GP, 20 teams g10/g11. This is balance am i right?

    On other threads you have your balance.

    for example

    4.2 mln vs 5.2 mln
    58-50 with zetas.
    67-160 g12.

    almost 100 g12 characters more. But in this 100 characters... he doesnt have padme or malak and now he is finally sooo happy because EA found the (good)balance for him.
  • You guys don't know what you're talking about. I don't have that many mods to pull off. The matchmaking is messed uptzub02yaziqx.png

    A perfect example of why the matchmaking needs to factor mods. But let’s remember that it didn’t factor in mods much before either, so it’s not like this is a new thing that was made worse with the new system. We are taking positive steps here, even if it still needs to be tweaked.
  • Hassos
    10 posts Member
    edited June 2019
    You guys don't know what you're talking about. I don't have that many mods to pull off. The matchmaking is messed uptzub02yaziqx.png

    A perfect example of why the matchmaking needs to factor mods. But let’s remember that it didn’t factor in mods much before either, so it’s not like this is a new thing that was made worse with the new system. We are taking positive steps here, even if it still needs to be tweaked.

    Positive steps for players which leveled up everything without head. So if I have together 30 g12, 10 g11 and 3 g9 I should fight against 19 g12 52 g11 and a lot of g9 because I have drevan and you dont?

    For you is fair when you have 1 mln more GP and a lot of more characters than opponent but it wasnt fair when you fought with opponent in the same power, because he had malak. Hmm...😂 sounds like hypocrysi
  • zzzSE7EN
    2 posts Member
    edited June 2019
    A 15 yr old fat and out-of-shape kid that wants to win a 50m race knows he can’t compete against other 15 yr olds who train hard and practice everyday; so he wants to go against 11 yr olds instead so he can have a chance to win the same prize as the other 15 yr olds who are actually competing. Same Concept.

    This matchmaking is very Socialistic in nature. You guy’s are wanting Equal Opportunity with this new **** matchmaking, but what you are really wanting is Equal Outcome.

    GP is the basic standard. We have to start there. As we win and lose, we either move up or move down in OUR own Division. Then everything will balance itself out and we will be where we are supposed to be.

    I’m Division 6, have the Lowest GP in my bracket, and 6 out 8 Players I am going against is Division 5, which I have a high chance of losing. Meanwhile, other members in my Division have way easier matchups and competition and most likely going against people in the same Division. How is this fair? Shouldn’t we be going against opponents in our same Division only?

    If it’s going to be like this, then fine, stick me in Division 5, and let me compete there. Don’t put me up against higher Divisions, but give me lower Division prizes and have the same people in my Division get matched up with each other and Rank higher than me.
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  • Hassos wrote: »
    You guys don't know what you're talking about. I don't have that many mods to pull off. The matchmaking is messed uptzub02yaziqx.png

    A perfect example of why the matchmaking needs to factor mods. But let’s remember that it didn’t factor in mods much before either, so it’s not like this is a new thing that was made worse with the new system. We are taking positive steps here, even if it still needs to be tweaked.

    Positive steps for players which leveled up everything without head. So if I have together 30 g12, 10 g11 and 3 g9 I should fight against 19 g12 52 g11 and a lot of g9 because I have drevan and you dont?

    For you is fair when you have 1 mln more GP and a lot of more characters than opponent but it wasnt fair when you fought with opponent in the same power, because he had malak. Hmm...😂 sounds like hypocrysi

    I think you are confusing me with someone who doesn’t have Malak/DRevan/etc.
  • Hassos wrote: »
    I’ve seen the various posts and complaints about the current gac matchmaking but I’m actually for this change. Yes I’m one of the bloated gp players when it was useful for Tb and before grand arena existed. Now my group, even though they have good rosters, has seemed a lot more evenly matched. None of my group have malek where normally I was the only one not to, and our padmes and revans are around the same star level/gp. So, despite all your complaints.. I just wanted to say thanks for the efforts to start changing it. I was one of the ones being put off highly by grand arena but this, for me, seems to be the start of a positive step forward.

    Hahaha you made my day by your post.

    Probably you are the guy with jedi knight guardian, jedi consular and other "powerfull" characters maxed on g12 and you are laughing about complaining another players but... you are crying because you dont have malak and they had 😁. So now is good because I have 50 zetas, you 30 but g12 characters you have 80 more? Or you have 100 6* mods more which "doesnt matter".

    For you balance is when player with knowledge, with 1.5 mln gp and full g12 jkr team and 2 semi-strong teams (because he is playing 1 year) is faced up with guy like you "oh i dont have padme jkr drevan blabla" who is playing 2 years, having 1 mln more GP, 20 teams g10/g11. This is balance am i right?

    On other threads you have your balance.

    for example

    4.2 mln vs 5.2 mln
    58-50 with zetas.
    67-160 g12.

    almost 100 g12 characters more. But in this 100 characters... he doesnt have padme or malak and now he is finally sooo happy because EA found the (good)balance for him.

    As per always, one forum post which is someone’s opinion gets trolled by others who don’t agree. If you don’t agree that’s fine it’s not for me to say what’s right or wrong for yourself, but instead of disagreeing you go with the personal attack of saying I’m crying about not having malak.
  • zzzSE7EN wrote: »
    A 15 yr old fat and out-of-shape kid that wants to win a 50m race knows he can’t compete against other 15 yr olds who train hard and practice everyday; so he wants to go against 11 yr olds instead so he can have a chance to win the same prize as the other 15 yr olds who are actually competing. Same Concept.

    This matchmaking is very Socialistic in nature. You guy’s are wanting Equal Opportunity with this new **** matchmaking, but what you are really wanting is Equal Outcome.

    GP is the basic standard. We have to start there. As we win and lose, we either move up or move down in OUR own Division. Then everything will balance itself out and we will be where we are supposed to be.

    I’m Division 6, have the Lowest GP in my bracket, and 6 out 8 Players I am going against is Division 5, which I have a high chance of losing. Meanwhile, other members in my Division have way easier matchups and competition and most likely going against people in the same Division. How is this fair? Shouldn’t we be going against opponents in our same Division only?

    If it’s going to be like this, then fine, stick me in Division 5, and let me compete there. Don’t put me up against higher Divisions, but give me lower Division prizes and have the same people in my Division get matched up with each other and Rank higher than me.

    How dare you talk about Russell like that. Sure he’s just a cookie away from diabetes, but that does not mean he can’t compete! He’s also got anger issues, and throws fire when he’s angry, and keeps things in his prison purse. But that does not mean he’s not competitive. Poor little kid from New Zealand. Poor little Russell.
  • This is my only issue. The amount of teams I have to set. I used to set 6 which meant I needed 60 toons minimum. Now I’m setting 8 which means I need 80. I have 79 g11/12 toons. My opponent has 105. Some of my g11/g12 are random one offs like ewok scout or Talia for raids. There’s no team I can build out of those. If we were setting 6 teams or even 7 it would be more fair. No matter how good mods are it’s real hard for a g8 toon to beat a g11/12 toon. Cg said that if I was overmatched the amount of set teams would default to my level, that didn’t happen. 3agobgw5uwb1.jpeg
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  • I wonder if we ever will see a post like:
    "i was fairly matched against a opponent, we where quite equal, but i didn't manage to win. Thank you CG for working on fair matchmaking and providing a fair challenge, which i unfortunately didn't win, but it was fun and close fighting for it."
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  • I completely agree with OP. It never made any sense to punish players for leveling up characters and basing match ups on the top x% of your roster rather than total gp makes much more sense. Obviously many are upset and there still are tweaks that could reduce very unfair matchups. For me it is no more fun to get easy wins than it is to auto lose and which characters you have plays a big role there. But a great first step nonetheless.
  • Yep....the people complaining are just people who tanked GP and pulled off mods and didn't activate characters and ran "lean" rosters in an effort to game the matchmaking system to try to get mismatches. They got comfortable with their easy match-ups. Now that they have to face people who are fairly similar in rosters in terms of G9s through G12s, they are facing the reality that they'll actually have to earn their wins.

    incorrect the matchmaking after the restart now is rewarding people for not going wide again.
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  • snookalo wrote: »
    This is my only issue. The amount of teams I have to set. I used to set 6 which meant I needed 60 toons minimum. Now I’m setting 8 which means I need 80. I have 79 g11/12 toons. My opponent has 105. Some of my g11/g12 are random one offs like ewok scout or Talia for raids. There’s no team I can build out of those. If we were setting 6 teams or even 7 it would be more fair. No matter how good mods are it’s real hard for a g8 toon to beat a g11/12 toon. Cg said that if I was overmatched the amount of set teams would default to my level, that didn’t happen.

    This.The higher GP opponent with the toons that don't "count" towards matchmaking get to use those toons. The lower GP opponent doesn't have those toons to use, is being asked to compete with more teams than they built their roster for, and is most likely including toons that are not part of squads.

    @snookalo is 100% spot on IMHO.
  • VonZant
    3843 posts Member
    edited June 2019
    You guys don't know what you're talking about. I don't have that many mods to pull off. The matchmaking is messed uptzub02yaziqx.png

    You can win that matchup. You have 2 entire teams more zetas than him and similar mods. With that many 6 dot mods most are probably mediocre

    But you should probably just give up first. So sayeth the forum.
  • super_ro
    53 posts Member
    edited June 2019
    100% agree with OP, how many people complaining geared up captain Han or 7* their lobots or gamorrean guard or krennic for TB, it should never be an advantage to not gear /* characters

    With gear 13 coming, the gap between usable and unusable characters for pvp is going to be huge, with the cost of the materials needed alone.

    So matching people against actual usable squads and not something they geared 2 years ago makes sense
  • vksg
    132 posts Member
    You guys don't know what you're talking about. I don't have that many mods to pull off. The matchmaking is messed uptzub02yaziqx.png

    A perfect example of why the matchmaking needs to factor mods. But let’s remember that it didn’t factor in mods much before either, so it’s not like this is a new thing that was made worse with the new system. We are taking positive steps here, even if it still needs to be tweaked.

    The matchmaking already does factor in mods, as they are part of the GP. To me, the current approach seems like best they can do as long as it shall be based on GP.

    What you are both looking at is that the calculation of GP itself is flawed. There is a disparity in how mods, rarity, level, gear etc. contribute to GP.

    I really hope they keep the new matchmaking and fix GP calculation instead.
  • vksg wrote: »
    You guys don't know what you're talking about. I don't have that many mods to pull off. The matchmaking is messed uptzub02yaziqx.png

    A perfect example of why the matchmaking needs to factor mods. But let’s remember that it didn’t factor in mods much before either, so it’s not like this is a new thing that was made worse with the new system. We are taking positive steps here, even if it still needs to be tweaked.

    The matchmaking already does factor in mods, as they are part of the GP. To me, the current approach seems like best they can do as long as it shall be based on GP.

    What you are both looking at is that the calculation of GP itself is flawed. There is a disparity in how mods, rarity, level, gear etc. contribute to GP.

    I really hope they keep the new matchmaking and fix GP calculation instead.

    Well, same thing essentially. GP on mods is irrelevant. A 6 dot protection primary mod with no speed secondary is valued as more than a purple protection primary with +20 speed, even though the latter is massively different.
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