Division 1 and Division 2 Boards

No_Try

I noticed a little disparity for the boards between div 1 and 2 where both divs have same slots and have the same tables across the board. Wondered what's taking effect into it. I have a few ideas but wanted to hear yours.

Disclaimer: it's a global difference, albeit small. Not attributable to individual overachievers.

TVF

Efficiency.

Rath_Tarr

Or Gremlins.

TVF

Or efficient gremlins.

Bulldog1205

First reaction is this is probably a great example of how the defense you face plays a role in your overall score.

No_Try

TVF wrote: »

Efficiency.

And why is 4-4.5M gp range more efficient than 4.5M+ gp range?

TVF

It's not. That's irrelevant.

No_Try

Huh? Then why is the explanation the difference "efficiency". Randomly more efficient sample between two boards?

TVF

Of course.

The differences in individual matchups (stong O vs strong D, more efficient people vs less efficient people, etc) have nothing to do with any difference between these two divisions.

No_Try

TVF wrote: »

Of course.

The individual matchups (stong O vs strong D, more efficient people vs less efficient people, etc) have nothing to do with these two divisions.

Yeah but why is there a difference then? It's not a few people being more efficient difference, an approx 300 banner difference trickles down the board where all parameters between these 2 divisions are the same (and many div 2 players whom have a bit more focused rosters also get matched with div 1).

Efficiency is the cause why any player can get higher banners than any other (where both are perfectly winning all their matches), it doesn't explain a distribution.

TVF

I've seen how you argue these types of things in the past and I'm not willing to spend an entire day on it. Of course it's random given the number of variables and it makes perfect sense. And I'm done.

No_Try

Lol, then why write in the first place? 4M-4.5M range is a much stricter range than 4.5M+ which can go up 5.7M.

Random doesn't make any sense, if it makes enough sense for you, ok, go with that poor explanation.

No_Try

Anyway, for others who are not TVF who will write to any topic but can't follow up, my idea is population density. Even though this is a stricter range most of the first year of the game accounts probably falls in this range. And the lean philosophy keeps many pushing to higher GPs whom are also very successful players in building their rosters. 2-3x more population in the range=more people able to push for extreme banners.

Another slight factor may be the highest end of division 1 can't win as consistently as everyone has everything maxed so every match between whale/krakens will become a hurdle where they can't go for extreme banner wins.

No_Try

2 more data points from beyond the browsable top 50. Me and a guldie at very close banners. We're not even halfway yet, will see how it shapes as weeks go on.

Div 1:




Div 2:

BeralCator

evoluza wrote: »

No_Try wrote: »

2 more data points from beyond the browsable top 50. Me and a guldie at very close banners. We're not even halfway yet, will see how it shapes as weeks go on.

Div 1:




Div 2:

You got way more noobs in div 2. That's why they collect more points.
So called efficiency.

This. I am constantly paired with 5-7 Division 2 players because I have a very high ship GP. However my inclusion in the bracket forces 8 teams on defense ather than 6.

Most of my opponents have very shallow rosters and they are getting full clears of 8 teams against one another quite easily. Therefore they all end up with more points than their Division 1 counterparts, where it is all full G12+, well-modded, teams on D.

No_Try

evoluza wrote: »

No_Try wrote: »

2 more data points from beyond the browsable top 50. Me and a guldie at very close banners. We're not even halfway yet, will see how it shapes as weeks go on.

Div 1:




Div 2:

You got way more noobs in div 2. That's why they collect more points.
So called efficiency.

More people or are they just noober?

Robomechazoid

It should balance out eventually. I'm in Div2, but I think all my matches have been against Div1. And when I look at the top 10 of div 2, I can definitely beat some of those rosters. Eventually, those topping div 2 will be facing increasingly tougher opponents.

No_Try

Robomechazoid wrote: »

It should balance out eventually. I'm in Div2, but I think all my matches have been against Div1. And when I look at the top 10 of div 2, I can definitely beat some of those rosters. Eventually, those topping div 2 will be facing increasingly tougher opponents.

Sure but MM doesn't seem to be matching winners against winners so far. It seems to start from scratch each week.

DrowningFerret

If division 1 and 2 have the same number of slots, then people in division 1 will have more gp to dedicate towards defense. This will transfer to lower attack scores around the board.

Gannon

No_Try wrote: »

Robomechazoid wrote: »

It should balance out eventually. I'm in Div2, but I think all my matches have been against Div1. And when I look at the top 10 of div 2, I can definitely beat some of those rosters. Eventually, those topping div 2 will be facing increasingly tougher opponents.

Sure but MM doesn't seem to be matching winners against winners so far. It seems to start from scratch each week.

You say that, yet the matches keep getting harder. Did they announce that was the case? Cuz that's not what I've seen tbh

DarjeloSalas

Mine were no harder in 2nd GA than 1st. And looking at rankings / points at the start of the 2nd one, there didn’t seem to be any consistency or indication that they all had a similar record to me (3-0 in 1st, currently 2-0 in 2nd)

Stokat

Mine were horrible this round, (almost) all had g13 7* Malak monster squads and otherwise strong rosters as well. BUT latest meta toons aside I think all fights would have been manageable, not that I would have won them necessarily but even enough for it to be a good matchup.

No_Try

Gannon wrote: »

No_Try wrote: »

Robomechazoid wrote: »

It should balance out eventually. I'm in Div2, but I think all my matches have been against Div1. And when I look at the top 10 of div 2, I can definitely beat some of those rosters. Eventually, those topping div 2 will be facing increasingly tougher opponents.

Sure but MM doesn't seem to be matching winners against winners so far. It seems to start from scratch each week.

You say that, yet the matches keep getting harder. Did they announce that was the case? Cuz that's not what I've seen tbh

I'm not sure either way really, just going by what I got in my league and what others report. I didn't get it easy first week and it was similar this week. When I checked 2nd weeks pool though, I also checked all their current standings which was a distribution. If we were a pool of first weeks winners, wouldn't that directly show in standings?

No_Try

Harder or easier matches in the pools is not what you should look at. The initial thought everyone had was we would gradually get matched with people with similar level of success of the previous weeks, which is not directly related to what they do or don't have. You should look into whether that took place or not.

leef

more players and more noobs in div2 than in div1.
Also, more GP but same amount of def slots should logically result in better def placed in div1 than in div2.

Stokat

No_Try wrote: »

Harder or easier matches in the pools is not what you should look at. The initial thought everyone had was we would gradually get matched with people with similar level of success of the previous weeks, which is not directly related to what they do or don't have. You should look into whether that took place or not.

Yeah you are right, good point.

No_Try

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The disrepancy more or less solidified now. For whatever reason div 2 has a few folds the population of div 1 and/or it's presenting much more competition for banners.

Damodamo

TVF wrote: »

Or efficient gremlins.

Feeding after midnight?

VonZant

DrowningFerret wrote: »

If division 1 and 2 have the same number of slots, then people in division 1 will have more gp to dedicate towards defense. This will transfer to lower attack scores around the board.

I think this is the answer.