If Rian Johnson was a SWGOH character...

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Javick_Starage
304 posts Member
edited August 12
This would be his kit.

Basic: No Back Stories!
Rian blocks one characters unique abilities for one turn.

Ability: Fake Lightsaber Battles
Target a character with a lightsaber. They become a spooky projection and can’t hit anyone or be hit for 2 turns.

leadership: Ruining Star Wars
All characters lose 20% on all their stats, except for Holdo and Rose Tico.

Uniques:

Let the past die, kill it if you have to:
Any iteration of Luke Skywalker dies by wandering off and not giving a kitten.
(Zeta) Any iteration of Leia, flys around like Mary Poppins then revives upon kill.

Pointless Tangent:
The first half of any fight goes nowhere, and doesn’t count. The fight resets and starts over again.
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  • Nihion
    2070 posts Member
    That was a bad idea.
  • Holdo and Rose comment made me laugh.
  • Take my like and have a nice day
  • Hehe perfect.
    "Don't take yourself so serious; it's a game, have fun!" • https://swgoh.gg/u/yerffcaasi/
  • Stenun
    497 posts Member
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.
  • CCyrilS
    2547 posts Member
    Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Sure it's good. People expect GREAT from star wars.
  • Stenun
    497 posts Member
    CCyrilS wrote: »
    Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Sure it's good. People expect GREAT from star wars.

    You didn't see the Prequels, then?
  • Nihion
    2070 posts Member
    Stenun wrote: »
    CCyrilS wrote: »
    Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Sure it's good. People expect GREAT from star wars.

    You didn't see the Prequels, then?

    Like he said, people expect great from Star Wars. He was probably being sarcastic, but it’s true. The prequels suffered the same. No Star Wars movie will ever be “great” again until the solo Kenobi films. Or Boba Fett’s resurrection.
  • CCyrilS
    2547 posts Member
    Pretty much. The expectations will always be high, and anything short of amazing will be heavily criticized. Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the reality.
  • Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Each to their own.

    Personally I think it’s not only the worst Star Wars film ever made, but just an all round terrible film.

    Far too many plot holes, and Leia’s Mary Poppins moment is one of the most comically terrible moments in cinematic history.

    My issues is less that it’s not a great Star Wars film and more that the narrative makes zero sense. Half the film doesn’t actually matter.



  • Stenun
    497 posts Member
    Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Each to their own.

    Personally I think it’s not only the worst Star Wars film ever made, but just an all round terrible film.

    Far too many plot holes, and Leia’s Mary Poppins moment is one of the most comically terrible moments in cinematic history.

    My issues is less that it’s not a great Star Wars film and more that the narrative makes zero sense. Half the film doesn’t actually matter.


    What plot holes? I really didn't notice any major ones more than any other Hollywood blockbuster - shortcuts and logical inconsistencies in the name of plot but nothing major. Not like The Big Sleep (1946 version) where even the director couldn't figure out who was supposed to have killed one of the victims!

    And the narrative makes perfect sense to me. The only criticism I have is that the "bad guys chase the good guys until the good guys run out of fuel" central plot line is not as Epic as Star Wars should be; it felt more like an episode of BSG than a Star Wars plot. But other than that, no problem.
  • Stenun wrote: »
    Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Each to their own.

    Personally I think it’s not only the worst Star Wars film ever made, but just an all round terrible film.

    Far too many plot holes, and Leia’s Mary Poppins moment is one of the most comically terrible moments in cinematic history.

    My issues is less that it’s not a great Star Wars film and more that the narrative makes zero sense. Half the film doesn’t actually matter.


    What plot holes? I really didn't notice any major ones more than any other Hollywood blockbuster - shortcuts and logical inconsistencies in the name of plot but nothing major. Not like The Big Sleep (1946 version) where even the director couldn't figure out who was supposed to have killed one of the victims!

    And the narrative makes perfect sense to me. The only criticism I have is that the "bad guys chase the good guys until the good guys run out of fuel" central plot line is not as Epic as Star Wars should be; it felt more like an episode of BSG than a Star Wars plot. But other than that, no problem.

    Plot holes:

    Luke, the most committed Jedi Knight ever spends a whole film redeeming his father and destroying the darkside. His nephew turns to the dark side... Luke goes out to drink blue milk and doesn’t care.

    Despite showing no force aptitude in any film, Leia suddenly discovers she can fly around in space...

    Snoke, the supposedly main antagonist is strong in the darkside and powerful, gets killed in the cheapest possible manner by his snotty nosed apprentice who’s busy having a temper tantrum.

    No explanation of any of the backstory for any major new character. Knights of Ren? Snoke? First Order?

    Narrative points that don’t Go anywhere: Casino and more Casino. Rey’s whole thing in the cave (and her whole time on the island)

    I could go on.

    It’s cool if others like it. I absolutely hate it.
  • Stenun
    497 posts Member
    Hey, what? I just wrote out a huge response and it's ... gone? What happened?
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  • Stenun
    497 posts Member
    OK, let's try posting this again as it went missing for some reason ...

    Luke, the most committed Jedi Knight ever spends a whole film redeeming his father and destroying the darkside. His nephew turns to the dark side... Luke goes out to drink blue milk and doesn’t care.
    On Endor, Luke surrendered to Vader peacefully. He adopted the path of peace.
    He was taken to the Throne Room where he refused to fight. He adopted the path of peace.
    Eventually, the Emperor provoked Luke enough that Luke lost control for a brief moment and ended up in a fight with Vader. But then he regains control. When we return to the Throne Room a little later, Luke has stopped fighting. He is hiding in the shadows. He adopted the path of peace.
    Finally, after repeatedly trying to goad him, Vader provoked Luke enough that Luke lost control for a brief moment and ended up in a fight with Vader. But then he regains control. He throws his weapon down and refuses to fight. He adopted the path of peace.
    Vader is the one who throws the Emperor down the shaft of Death Star II. Vader is the who who destroys the Dark Side. Not Luke. Luke tried every step of the way to follow the path of peace. He just kept failing.
    Skip to the events of The Last Jedi ...
    Luke knows Ben is falling to evil. So instead of responding violently, Luke goes to Ben to try and talk to him about it. He adopted the path of peace.
    But he has a vision of Ben's future and lost control for a brief moment. But unlike the previous instances, he regains control very quickly and doesn't attack. He adopted the path of peace.
    But this time, it's too late ... Ben is awake.
    Luke, ashamed that once again he had failed to stay on the path of peace and knowing that this time it will have disastrous consequences, leaves rather than risk another momentary loss of control making it worse yet again. He adopted the path of peace.
    Finally, Rey and Yoda convince him that you don't have to run from your mistakes.
    So he returns. And he adopts the path of peace and rescues the survivors. He finally clings to the path of peace throughout and saves the day.
    And then he dies. Peacefully.
    Despite showing no force aptitude in any film, Leia suddenly discovers she can fly around in space...
    Leia shows force aptitude at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. And Yoda and Ben discuss that there is another hope - Leia; thus heavily implying she has latent force abilities.
    Snoke, the supposedly main antagonist is strong in the darkside and powerful, gets killed in the cheapest possible manner by his snotty nosed apprentice who’s busy having a temper tantrum.
    That's not a plot hole. It's just something you didn't like.
    But everything Snoke said in the moments preceding his death was true. Ben did kill his true enemy.
    No explanation of any of the backstory for any major new character. Knights of Ren? Snoke? First Order?
    They were all introduced in The Force Awakens. How is a plot hole of The Last Jedi that it didn't give the information you wanted?
  • Nihion
    2070 posts Member
    I agree, I think the narrative exists and it furthers the development of our main characters; with a few issues.

    The Jedi were not shown as peaceful, only as peace seekers. The idea that not fighting is keeping the peace doesn’t make any sense when the dark side is fighting away. The Jedi of the prequels fought for peace. If Mace Windu had taken Anakin’s suggestion and allowed a trial for Palpatine, he likely would have escaped. If Obi-Wan hadn’t “killed” Maul using the anger of his masters death, he may not have defeated him at all, and restored temporary peace to the galaxy. Like knew that the Jedi had to end, but why? If he was so anti-fight, then why must the Jedi end? I think it’s because he knows that for peace to work, the Jedi have to fight. They may even have to kill. It’s the flaw of the Jedi, but it’s necessary. That’s just my take.

    The other, much larger issue, is the “lameness” of all the events. The struggle is, as previously mentioned, a space chase that could have ended much faster. Had the First Order called for reinforcements in the long time they were chasing the Resistance (they DO have a very large fleet, right?), they could have put a stop to the chase very early on. The Resistance hides in a cave while the first order slowly approaches their very vulnerable fortress. Kylo Ren uses a crazy elaborate strategy and a long battle ensues when he knows he should kill his master; wait no he just turns a lightsaber and voila! It’s that easy. And mind you, this is all like a day after the Resistance destroys a Death Star and Kylo and Rey meet for the first time. That’s pretty lame, because their narrative can’t go very far. I’ll be honest, the character development and symbolism in this movie were pretty well thought of; but they were progressed in ways that were much less than entertaining.

    Let’s face it, the Rose hatred was blown way out of proportion. The actor does not deserve to receive that much hate. But even so, the character was written into the story very poorly. She just didn’t fit into the puzzle. Holdo was fine, but like, Ackbar could’ve done the same thing. Instead he was quite literally thrown out the window.

    The message in the film was mixed, so I’m not sure what Rian was getting at. He had Rose state outright that we shouldn’t destroy what we hate. Okay, but this was right before Finn was going to save what he loved, through the means of destroying the FO, which is an evil organization by the way. And five minutes before that, Holdo did the same thing. So Rose’s big important impactful line didn’t make sense when it really comes down to it.

    Overall, I felt disappointed when I left the film. There was too much hype and too little of a reward. They promised it would be different, but they also promised we would be satisfied with the big shock reveals. They predicted the reaction of the public poorly. Rian wrote a pretty good narrative; characters were okay, story flowed and made logical sense. But it doesn’t fit in with the other Star Wars movies. That makes it “bad”, according to many fans.

    The more I’ve seen the film, the more I kind of like it. But it will always feel a little disappointing. Rant over.
  • CCyrilS
    2547 posts Member
    A Rian Johnson kit wouldn't be complete without a mechanic that also makes the first half of your next battle complicated and confusing as well.
  • CCyrilS wrote: »
    A Rian Johnson kit wouldn't be complete without a mechanic that also makes the first half of your next battle complicated and confusing as well.

    That’s his second secret bonus zeta for his unique ability “pointless tangent”
  • leef
    12597 posts Member
    According to some he singlehandedly killed the whole sw universe with just one mov(i)e, so i guess he's too OP to be ingame.
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  • chron
    88 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    I agree, I think the narrative exists and it furthers the development of our main characters; with a few issues.

    The Jedi were not shown as peaceful, only as peace seekers. The idea that not fighting is keeping the peace doesn’t make any sense when the dark side is fighting away. The Jedi of the prequels fought for peace. If Mace Windu had taken Anakin’s suggestion and allowed a trial for Palpatine, he likely would have escaped. If Obi-Wan hadn’t “killed” Maul using the anger of his masters death, he may not have defeated him at all, and restored temporary peace to the galaxy. Like knew that the Jedi had to end, but why? If he was so anti-fight, then why must the Jedi end? I think it’s because he knows that for peace to work, the Jedi have to fight. They may even have to kill. It’s the flaw of the Jedi, but it’s necessary. That’s just my take.

    The other, much larger issue, is the “lameness” of all the events. The struggle is, as previously mentioned, a space chase that could have ended much faster. Had the First Order called for reinforcements in the long time they were chasing the Resistance (they DO have a very large fleet, right?), they could have put a stop to the chase very early on. The Resistance hides in a cave while the first order slowly approaches their very vulnerable fortress. Kylo Ren uses a crazy elaborate strategy and a long battle ensues when he knows he should kill his master; wait no he just turns a lightsaber and voila! It’s that easy. And mind you, this is all like a day after the Resistance destroys a Death Star and Kylo and Rey meet for the first time. That’s pretty lame, because their narrative can’t go very far. I’ll be honest, the character development and symbolism in this movie were pretty well thought of; but they were progressed in ways that were much less than entertaining.

    Let’s face it, the Rose hatred was blown way out of proportion. The actor does not deserve to receive that much hate. But even so, the character was written into the story very poorly. She just didn’t fit into the puzzle. Holdo was fine, but like, Ackbar could’ve done the same thing. Instead he was quite literally thrown out the window.

    The message in the film was mixed, so I’m not sure what Rian was getting at. He had Rose state outright that we shouldn’t destroy what we hate. Okay, but this was right before Finn was going to save what he loved, through the means of destroying the FO, which is an evil organization by the way. And five minutes before that, Holdo did the same thing. So Rose’s big important impactful line didn’t make sense when it really comes down to it.

    Overall, I felt disappointed when I left the film. There was too much hype and too little of a reward. They promised it would be different, but they also promised we would be satisfied with the big shock reveals. They predicted the reaction of the public poorly. Rian wrote a pretty good narrative; characters were okay, story flowed and made logical sense. But it doesn’t fit in with the other Star Wars movies. That makes it “bad”, according to many fans.

    The more I’ve seen the film, the more I kind of like it. But it will always feel a little disappointing. Rant over.

    To quote Threepio from Jedi... "Here we go again!" ;)

    1. Luke only believed in the hypocrisy of the Jedi way, how it led to the creation of Darth Vader, and how he didn't want any part of Kylo Ren's legacy. Shutting himself off from the Force didn't allow him to see what would come to light (or in this case, dark). My only nitpick is that Kylo, in the flashback, should've been FAR younger, allowing time to pass for the First Order to gain power and structure. Seeing Adam Driver as-is makes me think the treachery occurred just a few days before Force Awakens.

    2. I chok that up to Hux being full of himself (part of his failure as a leader), since he sees the Resistance at the brink of annihilation. He wants to savor his victory in the eyes of Leader Snoke, and maybe one up Kylo in terms of favoritism. Kylo's failure, and resulting dramatics, is thinking this war is all about himself. Whoops.

    3. As representation goes, Rose IS the Resistance, and serves as the angel on Finn's shoulder to right his moral compass. He didn't join the Resistance at the end of Force Awakens, he merely aided his friends to plants some charges and try to keep Kylo from killing his friend. He's in friendzone mode by then. He needed Rose to counter the shoulder devil that is DJ and find his place in the universe, just like Rey needed to find her path.

    Holdo was indeed fine, but I agree that Ackbar could've fulfilled that role just as easily. I think that Disneyfilm was too scared to leave such a pivotal acting role to an animatronic character for such a length of time. Yet another nitpick of mine is that Disneyfilm doesn't use his rasp from Jedi. I miss that rasp.

    4. Poe wouldn't have called a retreat if he thought the cannon could still be destroyed, or else he would have rammed it himself (or ordered everyone to fire), but too much time passed in the battle to keep the cannon from firing. Finn was already too late and would have sacrificed himself for nothing. The thing about Rose is that, if she was on the Raddus before the transports left, she would have stunned Holdo, threw her in a transport, and said, "I GOT THIS, MAFAKAS!". No way she would have let Holdo sacrifice herself, and it still fits the message that Poe had to learn, thus making him a good leader for a Resistance filled with Roses.
  • Nihion
    2070 posts Member
    Are you Rian Johnson, lol.

    Looking back, most of what I said was going in circles, and everything you said makes sense, but I still believe it could have been a more exciting movie. That was my biggest concern.
  • Guys, it’s an absolutely terrible movie...

    Mary Poppins Leia. I rest my case.
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  • Nihion wrote: »
    Stenun wrote: »
    CCyrilS wrote: »
    Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Sure it's good. People expect GREAT from star wars.

    You didn't see the Prequels, then?

    Like he said, people expect great from Star Wars. He was probably being sarcastic, but it’s true. The prequels suffered the same. No Star Wars movie will ever be “great” again until the solo Kenobi films. Or Boba Fett’s resurrection.

    Indeed. Ewan McGregor's Kenobi after ep3 is what we really need now
  • Nihion
    2070 posts Member
    AntiFunn wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Stenun wrote: »
    CCyrilS wrote: »
    Stenun wrote: »
    I *like* The Last Jedi. It's a good film.

    Sure it's good. People expect GREAT from star wars.

    You didn't see the Prequels, then?

    Like he said, people expect great from Star Wars. He was probably being sarcastic, but it’s true. The prequels suffered the same. No Star Wars movie will ever be “great” again until the solo Kenobi films. Or Boba Fett’s resurrection.

    Indeed. Ewan McGregor's Kenobi after ep3 is what we really need now

    He is a bold one. ;)
  • Rian who?
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  • Stenun
    497 posts Member
    I remember a time when people were loudly proclaiming online that the prequel trilogy was terrible and that no true Star Wars fan would like them.
    And now we have people clamouring for spin off movies directly from them.

    Meanwhile, some of those same people are loudly proclaiming online that the sequel trilogy is terrible and that no true Star Wars fan would like them.

    Let's wait 10 years; people will be clamouring for spin off movies with Finn and Rose before too long ... *LOL*
    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ...
  • Stenun wrote: »
    I remember a time when people were loudly proclaiming online that the prequel trilogy was terrible and that no true Star Wars fan would like them.
    And now we have people clamouring for spin off movies directly from them.

    Meanwhile, some of those same people are loudly proclaiming online that the sequel trilogy is terrible and that no true Star Wars fan would like them.

    Let's wait 10 years; people will be clamouring for spin off movies with Finn and Rose before too long ... *LOL*
    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ...

    I loved the prequels. They weren’t perfect but they made sense and were a good watch.

    The force awakens was ok (a new hope 2). The last Jedi was garbage. It’s a film whose central plot line involves running out of petrol...
  • The force awakens was ok (a new hope 2). The last Jedi was garbage

    I see you call TFA "A New Hope 2". You're not one of those people who complained that TFA was too similar to what had gone before and then later complained that TLJ was too different to what had gone before, are you?
    Because that was just silly, wasn't it? "Give us something different! ... Argh, that's different!"
    Nah, you're not one of those. :smile:
    I mean, those people who complained like that were basically saying that they would only "like" a new Star Wars movie if it fit in exactly with what they wanted it to be after more than a decade of deciding for themselves what it had to be - no deviation allowed. These preconceived rigid lines must be followed and anything else means the film is bad.
    But no, you're not one of those. :smile:

  • Stenun wrote: »
    The force awakens was ok (a new hope 2). The last Jedi was garbage

    I see you call TFA "A New Hope 2". You're not one of those people who complained that TFA was too similar to what had gone before and then later complained that TLJ was too different to what had gone before, are you?
    Because that was just silly, wasn't it? "Give us something different! ... Argh, that's different!"
    Nah, you're not one of those. :smile:
    I mean, those people who complained like that were basically saying that they would only "like" a new Star Wars movie if it fit in exactly with what they wanted it to be after more than a decade of deciding for themselves what it had to be - no deviation allowed. These preconceived rigid lines must be followed and anything else means the film is bad.
    But no, you're not one of those. :smile:

    No, I’m not. As I say, I liked the force awakens. It was a little by the numbers but took some risks which were executed very well (killing Han)

    The last Jedi makes absolutely no sense as a film. I have no problem with it being different. I do have a problem with it being 💩.

    The Casino literally doesn’t matter and wastes about an hour. Nothing interesting happens at the casino either.

    The central plot theme revolves around running out of petrol. The First Order could have called reinforcements to attack from the other side rather than following at a snails pace for hours.

    Leia flying around in space is cringeworthy. Even if you believe it makes sense from a story perspective (I don’t) it was horrifically executed.

    Luke’s arc makes no sense:
    - Your nephew is turning to the dark side!
    - Cool, I’m gonna go live on an island and milk aliens. Screw him.
    ”I disagree with pretty much every decision you have made for this character” Mark Hamil to Rian, during filming.

    Rey’s lineage, another waste of time. The whole thing in the cave with the finger clicking, more time wasted.

    It’s not just a terrible Star Wars film. It is the worst film I have seen in years.
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