Grand Arena Championship Update [MEGA]

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ShaolinPunk
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CG_SBCrumb wrote: »
Hi Holotable Heroes,

The Grand Arena Championships Exhibition has wrapped up and we wanted to take this moment to reflect on the gameplay experience and where we want to take Championships in the future.

The Exhibition gave everyone a chance to try the new mode and gave us the opportunity to find lots of small bugs (and several big ones) and get your feedback on next steps for the mode. We gathered a ton of data around matchups, scoring, feats and are making some changes for the first non-exhibition Grand Arena Championship. Grand Arena has obviously been a big topic of conversation around the studio as well and I want to share what we have been discussing and thinking about.

Top Areas of Discussion:
  • Ensuring matchmaking is fair, and feels fun
  • Integrity of scoring and the leaderboard
  • Monitoring, investigating, and removing cheaters
  • Fixing technical issues such as crashes, tie breakers, and soft locks

What’s Next:
We have been in the middle of taking a short break from Championships to review all the data we collected and make changes. We have scheduled the next Grand Arena Championship for next week, that includes matchmaking changes, bug fixes, anti-cheat improvements, and new titles/portraits!

Please note that you will keep any Grand Arena Championship shipment tokens previously earned, but there will be a one-time reset of all Lifetime Championship points at the start of Championship 1. You will keep your Lifetime Championship Score for good after this reset.

In terms of League status, all players will be reset back to Carbonite at the start of each Championship, and you will not be able to access items in shipments that require you to have reached a higher league (Ex. reach the Bronzium league and purchase) after the reset, until you get back to that League.

New Title and Portraits:
Players asked for a better way to show off their accomplishments in Championships and now you will have a limited time opportunity to earn special portraits and titles. These rewards may rotate between Championships and some may only be available once! Portraits and titles are not retroactively awarded for performance in previous Championship events.

Earn 4 new Portraits for completing Championship Feats in the next Grand Arena Championship:
  • Enduring Eclipse - Complete the “Take a Seat” feat
    Win a Fleet Arena battle using the Endurance
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  • Clone Troopers - Complete the “Three of a Kind” feat
    Enter a Grand Arena battle with at least 3 Clone Troopers and win
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  • Fleet Commanders - Complete the “Fleet Commander” feat
    Win 15 Fleet Arena battles
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  • Separatists - Complete the “Divide and Conquer” feat
    Win a Grand Arena battle with a full squad of Separatist characters
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We’ve also added several new titles for reaching each league during a Championship:
  • Premiere Kyber Champion - Become champion of the Premiere Championship to earn this title!
  • Kyber Contender - Finish a Championship in the Kyber League Top 2-10 to earn this title!
  • Kyber Combatant - Finish a Championship in the Kyber League outside of the Top 10 to earn this title
  • Armored in Chromium - Finish a Championship in the Chromium League to earn this title
  • Bronzium Battler - Finish a Championship in the Bronzium League to earn this title
  • Trapped in Carbonite - Finish a Championship in the Carbonite League to earn this title

Matchmaking/Scoring Changes:
Division-Specific Matchmaking: The first big change is that matchmaking now includes Division; players should no longer encounter opponents outside of their division. We will be monitoring how these changes impact matchups in the next Championship and will further refine matchmaking in the future.

Tie-Breakers: Tie-Breakers have been a consistent point of confusion and frustration. Previously in cases where banners were exactly even, the winner was determined by the player with the higher matchmaking score we use for matchmaking. This isn’t something that is visible in the client or easy to calculate off the top of your head and, in order to be more clear and easier to understand, the next Championship will use only total GP to determine ties. We also fixed a rare bug that was causing ties to sometimes be randomly chosen.

Non-Participation: Lastly, no-shows have been an issue for folks trying to complete achievements and feats. Going forward, we are further discouraging signing up and not participating by removing all points you would have earned (either win or loss) if you do not participate in a round at all. You will receive an inbox message explaining that you did not participate and will not receive any score or rewards for this round.

Cheating:
Cheating has been a hot subject in the community recently and around the office since the game’s inception. It is critical that we continue to work on identifying, preventing, and taking swift action against hackers. We have zero tolerance for any kinds of cheating, especially in Grand Arena Championships, but there is more to do and we need additional, proactive ways of pinpointing ne'er-do-wells in our game.

Unfortunately, there is no single solution to solve this issue and it will be an ongoing effort from our side to persistently root out malicious tools. We’ve heard your feedback and requests on this issue but it will take time to implement some of the suggestions we received. Features like accurate battle logs are something we are investigating and would remove the obvious, low-effort cheating, but will not address the whole issue. Most likely it’s a combination of tools that will allow us to address the cheating cases still at risk of slipping through.

We’re currently evaluating our potential options to deal with cheating in future releases. As our thinking develops on it, we’ll update you on our efforts. We have in response to recent event expanded our tech that we use to detect some forms of cheating, and further expansion will remain a high priority for the foreseeable future. This will likely not result in a single large “anti-cheating” release but will instead be a regular part of our releases as we evolve to defend against future threats. Please keep the feedback and suggestions coming.

Bugs and Issues:
There were some significant hiccups with Grand Arena Championship during the inaugural Exhibition and we fixed many issues thanks to your prompt and detailed feedback. We believe we have resolved the scoring issues and the leaderboard will reflect the correct scores during the next event. This is something we will continue monitoring very closely and please let us know if you see anything fishy.

We have managed to reduce soft locks during fleet and character battles but there is a persistent soft lock that can still rarely occur during character battles. This is still being investigated and we anticipate having a larger fix in the near future thanks to the new logging tools we added in the last couple updates.

Upcoming Schedule:
Grand Arena Championships starts next week! Below is the sign up date for each Grand Arena in this Championship.
  • Grand Arena #1 - Start: 8/19/2019
  • Grand Arena #2 - Start: 8/26/2019
  • Grand Arena #3 - Start: 9/2/2019
  • Grand Arena #4 - Start: 9/9/2019
  • Championship Review - Start: 9/16/2019


The Future
Our goal right now is to make regular changes to Championships for the foreseeable future. The next round of changes will likely center on improving scoring to promote more balanced play, and updating our feats. We want to regularly improve Grand Arena Championships in a measured, incremental way to make sure we 1) don’t break the stuff that is working and 2) don’t overwhelm the experience by changing too many things at once. We’re going to be regularly soliciting feedback during our monthly Q&As and we’ll monitor the forums regularly as well. We want to make GAC as great as it possibly can be.
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  • ShaolinPunk
    3486 posts Moderator
    Reserved!
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  • Ultra
    11502 posts Moderator
    “Rewards are reduced just for exhibition phase”

    No increased rewards mentioned so I’m thinking we are getting the same subpar exhibition level of rewards

    Meh
  • VonZant
    3843 posts Member
    edited August 2019
    Thank you.

    Aurodium league title missing?

    What about people that set 1 toon on Defense?

    Otherwise, can't wait for more GAC!
    Post edited by VonZant on
  • jedibaer71
    575 posts Member
    edited August 2019
    now more titles and portraits collect i can... :smiley:
  • No_Try
    4051 posts Member
    So no changes to the mm also itself as far as I understood it.
  • GJO
    172 posts Member
    edited August 2019
    How about making non-Malak users never play against ppl who has him?
    It's completely boring trying to compete like this.
  • Did you say monthly Q&A?
  • I faced 9 malak owners as a non-malak owner in the last GAC and beat 4 of them.
  • So no real changes, just a few cosmetic low energy titles and portraits, and still no indication of competitive integrity.

    Here's a tip: Give us actual battle logs and replays or your game will continue to lack any integrity and those of us who have stopped spending will keep our wallets closed. These are features common among 5 year old mobile games.
  • They should just give the championship vanguard title to everyone with the closure of "Exhibition" seeing as how it won't be released again. Guessing the reward being offered only once with the upcoming season is going to put a wrench in anyone trying to get all the titles and portrait available to the majority.
  • VonZant wrote: »
    What about people that set 1 toon on Defense?

    Yeah, that could have so easily been fixed by filling empty slots with characters from the bottom of the roster.
  • Ace0187420
    104 posts Member
    edited August 2019
    So your doing absolutely nothing about cheating. No one cares about a portrait fix the cheating.
  • Can we get a Pride and Accomplishment title/Portrait
  • Maybe fix the scoring so it doesn't handicap high end players.
  • man this "Win a Fleet Arena battle using the Endurance" feat is complete dogsh*t. you cant simply win a Fleet Arena battle in the top50 with the endurance in this akbar meta. i literally have to use a battle with the endurance (probably lose it) then wait that i drop to rank ~80 and try again even if i use the endurance with the akbar lineup.
    this feat isnt a challenge like the other ones, its simply a hassle to do.
    maybe change it so it counts in PVE fleet battles hard 5 too.
  • No_Try
    4051 posts Member
    It's funny noone cares for mm anymore and treats cheating as if it's at cataclysmic levels. So cool to attribute everything to cheating.
  • Aceantarctic
    53 posts Member
    edited August 2019
    The wording on the Separatist feat is a bit off, the description is "Win a Grand Arena battle with a full squad of Separatist characters" so I went in with 3 characters which is still technically a full squad of sep characters as all characters on the team are sep but didn't get the feat so the wording on the feat SHOULD be "win a ga battle with a minimum of 5 separatist characters (excluding summons) on your team" as that would be more accurate for what the feat requires of you, same goes for the Gr equivalent of the feat (I'm not sure if you went in with 4 geos and summoning Brute making a total of 5 characters would count for the feat so I put in brackets to differentiate that summons won't count for the quest)

    Edit: Added in the Gr feat too since there a Gr variant of the feat for Seps
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  • Match making is also trash, here face your exact mirror every single time and try to wait each other out. The game mode is poorly designed, put a different skin on GA and made it worse in every way. Rewards are trash for month long event.
  • would be nice if that clone trooper profile pic had rex, echo and fives instead of echo, fives and clone sergeant... or even just a rex profile pic.
  • HK22
    645 posts Member
    Ultra wrote: »
    “Rewards are reduced just for exhibition phase”

    No increased rewards mentioned so I’m thinking we are getting the same subpar exhibition level of rewards

    Meh

    That was my biggest concern as well. It would be nice if they would return the MK2 slicing materials as round rewards. 150 currency for winning/25 for losing per round is simply lackluster.
  • Really, portraits? Those are useless. Even the 1 credit you guys gave in the past is better than that
  • Can we have some answers around future plans for rewards, ships in GAC and scaling some GA related feats with division, please?
  • Jackow wrote: »
    man this "Win a Fleet Arena battle using the Endurance" feat is complete dogsh*t. you cant simply win a Fleet Arena battle in the top50 with the endurance in this akbar meta. i literally have to use a battle with the endurance (probably lose it) then wait that i drop to rank ~80 and try again even if i use the endurance with the akbar lineup.
    this feat isnt a challenge like the other ones, its simply a hassle to do.
    maybe change it so it counts in PVE fleet battles hard 5 too.

    This is already how it worked
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  • Ultra
    11502 posts Moderator
    edited August 2019
    HK22 wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    “Rewards are reduced just for exhibition phase”

    No increased rewards mentioned so I’m thinking we are getting the same subpar exhibition level of rewards

    Meh

    That was my biggest concern as well. It would be nice if they would return the MK2 slicing materials as round rewards. 150 currency for winning/25 for losing per round is simply lackluster.
    Also, 700 Tokens for first place is a huge step down from 25 salvage pieces of Stun Gun / Gold Ball / Carbs / Stun Gun / other gear that we used to get every week

    EDIT: Nevermind. As @Suprème_Lèader_Tsao points out below, its not a bad trade off
    Post edited by Ultra on
  • ShaolinPunk
    3486 posts Moderator
    edited August 2019
    No_Try wrote: »
    It's funny noone cares for mm anymore and treats cheating as if it's at cataclysmic levels. So cool to attribute everything to cheating.

    I wasn't going to say anything...

    Seems like game gets harder when some players have higher powered meta heroes than me. I guess once I wrap up G13, it'll feel more balanced. For me anyway... B)
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  • ninjarem
    1 posts Member
    edited August 2019
    The tie-breaker is stupid!

    I've been farming the hsith raid so i can have an advantage on other players! But now, if it's a tie, since my top 70 characters are above average i'm being matched with higher GP than me all the time...

    WHY the lower gp is not winning!? This make so much more sense! You guys are penalizing me for doing the top 10 in the hsith raid... How stupid is that!?

    Edit: Also the rewards for finishing in kyber after 4-5 weeks are trash! So much commitment for a few pieces and almost no crystals...
  • Reading that was a waste of time pretty much, hey we know it sucks we will address it in the future. We can't stop cheating so we will just tell them we are working on it. While leaving scoring only favoring offense and weaker rosters. Here's some stupid portraits that no one asked for. Also match making which was trash will continue to be trash with no scaling matchmaking at all. How about you make winners play winners and keep narrowing the pool till all the cheaters have to battle each other.
  • My biggest concern was always the rewards. GAC is fun, but it's maximum effort to achieve minimal rewards. It is going to become tedious very quickly if the rewards aren't at least doubled. And seriously, bring back the Mk 2 Pulse Modulators!!
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  • Suprème_Lèader_Tsao
    122 posts Member
    edited August 2019
    Ultra wrote: »
    HK22 wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    “Rewards are reduced just for exhibition phase”

    No increased rewards mentioned so I’m thinking we are getting the same subpar exhibition level of rewards

    Meh

    That was my biggest concern as well. It would be nice if they would return the MK2 slicing materials as round rewards. 150 currency for winning/25 for losing per round is simply lackluster.
    Also, 700 Tokens for first place is a huge step down from 25 salvage pieces of Stun Gun / Gold Ball / Carbs / Stun Gun / other gear that we used to get every week

    I like getting the currency instead of gear because of the flexibility. But everyone knows that the street value of 25 gold balls is about 1000 tokens. Did the math. Are we yielding 300 tokens’ worth of gear for flexibility? In that case, I’d rather have the gear. I’ll find someone to put it on.
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