Ship battle in Grand arena isn't "working"
November 24, 2019 2:06AM
edited November 2019
Dear Players, dear Developers,
I wanted for long to say this in forums. Although i believe that the developers are not paying serious attention to forums,i ll give it a try.
The ship battle in Grand arena, is not working as it should and i will explain what i mean.
When we have a combined battle in Grand arena, ships and characters, the ship is in the Back position, and therefore a player with very strong character team ( Revan or anything else ) can Block the way and consequently the ship battle, can be never took place, something that is not intended, when we speak for ships and characters battle.
I have noticed that the majority of players do not give big attention to ships, and therefore from a combined ship and character battle, the Grand arena fails to fulfill its purpose: A battle with ships and characters, and has absolutely no difference than the battle only with characters.
The solution, i propose and strongly recommend, is to put to First line of battle the ship battle, so it will become unavoidable for anyone, if wants to win, to give a first battle with ships.
By putting the ships on the back zone, simply negates them, and there is no reason at all why we speak for Ships battle.
Thank you and hope for this to be improved.
I wanted for long to say this in forums. Although i believe that the developers are not paying serious attention to forums,i ll give it a try.
The ship battle in Grand arena, is not working as it should and i will explain what i mean.
When we have a combined battle in Grand arena, ships and characters, the ship is in the Back position, and therefore a player with very strong character team ( Revan or anything else ) can Block the way and consequently the ship battle, can be never took place, something that is not intended, when we speak for ships and characters battle.
I have noticed that the majority of players do not give big attention to ships, and therefore from a combined ship and character battle, the Grand arena fails to fulfill its purpose: A battle with ships and characters, and has absolutely no difference than the battle only with characters.
The solution, i propose and strongly recommend, is to put to First line of battle the ship battle, so it will become unavoidable for anyone, if wants to win, to give a first battle with ships.
By putting the ships on the back zone, simply negates them, and there is no reason at all why we speak for Ships battle.
Thank you and hope for this to be improved.
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Negotiator is the problem today.
Putting it in the front area would negate (ok, non always but often) to players without Negotiator the access to the back area having 2 or 3 teams.
In my shard there are negotiators over rank 100.
Well I've seen about 100, so on average we've seen 51?
There are no character teams that are unbeatable either, so I don't see how that helps your point.
Too bad, that you don't know how to avoid being wrong:
https://swgoh.gg/stats/fleet-meta-report/
Shows that 58% of #1 fleets are now Negotiator, so the evidence is more than anecdotal.
In regards to the GAC map layout, remember that this is but one of several map layouts that we have seen before in early GA’s, this one is (perhaps by design) weighted slightly more towards characters than ships by having the fleet node in the back. There is also a map that has only 2 territories. One with a fleet, and one with all the character slots $ that is much more of a play orientated map, as there is no concealment strategy at all, simply who can be the most efficient attacker. There is no reason to assume that we won’t be seeing this map in a future GAC, as we know that they plan to continue to alternate playing styles (they have also declared the intent to re-introduce the 3v3 format, so it is reasonable to assume the map formats will alternate as well.
Ships will have their moment to shine as well, we must but be patient.
Lol what? You think I’m lying that there are negotiators in the 100s in my shard? If your shard has zero then it’s nowhere near as strong as you think.
I can’t make heads or tails of the rest of your post, it all reads as gibberish.
Personally I would be happy to see fleet in the front zones but it will not solve the strategic imbalance between fleet and squad in GAC. Any opponent who can block you from reaching fleet today could also hold the squad zone behind a fleet and your opponent only needs a single competitive fleet to clear your defensive fleet at which point it doesn't matter if you clear his.
Rather ironic to bring realism into a discussion about pixelated alien spaceships.
Having a fleet zone in the front line could work just as well as the current design. However, your arguments for it, don't quite hold.
In the end it's just a matter of preferences. You prefer it one way, others prefer it differently. Either point of view is valid. Whatever point you made could be made for the other preference as well. If you don't have a counter for your opponent's defensive fleet, you could be blocked from reaching the rear squad zone just as easily as a squad could block you from reaching the fleet zone with the current design. It's just different players that have the advantage in the two designs (while others are fine either way).
Your arguments don't help you much, when the only real argument is: "I prefer it differently"
Realism? You attack with laser canon's, light sabers and force abilities with plenty of sound effects in empty space. Don't fool yourself. It's a game.
To offer some constructive advice, as this is the layout for this GA and it's not changing this championship and will more than likely return. This is a problem you can fix yourself as it's a problem that applies directly to your specific roster composition and is relevant whether or not the back zone has a fleet or more character squads in it. Not always but typically, if you want to be successful in GA, you need to develop your roster and then save enough for offense phase such that you can full clear the board. Admittedly that's a bit more variable at lower GP with fewer teams available. But either way there are no teams in game that are impassable currently although some may require multiple hits if you do not have the specific counters yet. If you want ships to be relevant and believe that is where your advantage lies then develop the bare minimum of counters for the Revans, Padme, Gen Skywalker and GG and make sure you clear your opponents defense even if it means placing a weaker character defense yourself. That way you can leverage your claimed ship advantage. Yes that will take time but your opponents with those teams already put the time and resources into getting them... now you have to put some time and resources into getting them yourself or countering them so that you don't get stuck on them.
5* Negotiators can beat 6* Negotiators (I literally did this in yesterday's GAC) and a well strategized/developed HSMFalcon team can beat Negotiators too. Where they are placed on the board is fairly irrelevant, as "blocking" could occur either way - and if you are "blocked", you likely weren't going to win regardless as to whether or not you could beat their ships.
This really just boils down to a preference issue.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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In fact, on offense I prefer to attack 5* or even 6* Negotiators with my HMF instead of mirror matches - it just less rng than HMF vs HMF. Maybe 7* or Malevolence will be unbeatable at last but it's remain to be seen.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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A. Putting the fleet zone in front works just as well as putting it in the rear. Every argument for putting the fleet zone in front could also be made for putting character zones in the front. That's the whole point.
B. So far I've beaten every fleet in the first attempt. Your fantasies about my motives are silly.
C. Ship battles happen. Don't be silly, now.
D. Purpose? I'm quite sure, that CG has a purpose with the current layout. You may not like it, but that's not the same thing.
Do you have two top quality fleets? At that GP I highly doubt it.
So do you put your best fleet on defense or take it on offense?
If you put it on defense, your opponent just needs a single comparable fleet to break your defense and he doesn't have to care what you do to his fleet zone.
If you take it on offense, your opponent again only needs one good fleet to beat your defense and doesn't have to care what you do on offense.
The fact that you only need one good fleet to succeed is the bigger problem, not where the zone is positioned. And in fact there are other problems around victory conditions and relative GP of squads vs ships.
But by all means continue chasing your red herring.
Your first thread (found here https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/191435/star-wars-force-collections-asks-from-swgoh-to-take-over-the-legacy#latest) is a moan about there not being enough ship content for your tastes. That doesn't really speak much to the strength of your roster.
Your first comment in this thread says which is a direct refutation of the idea you have a strong enough roster to full clear your opponent.
The problem in your grand arena matches is that you can't full clear the character zones. You would in no way benefit from having a different location for the ship zone. You are correct in a sense that ships are pretty irrelevant to competitive GA matches as nearly all competitive players can easily clear the ship zone with a very small points differential (Some RNG involved when you have a slower negotiator but that can be mitigated with front line fleet selection).
This would be the case irrespective of the fleet zone location. So the problem is in available fleet selection and team comps and the devs are actively addressing this issue by adding more Cap ships (2 so far recently, with hints of more coming from ep.9 content).