Saddest moment in the saga (Movies and TV series)?

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  • Boo
    4106 posts Member
    Rose Tico screen time in :
    - Episode 8 : 10 minutes and 53 seconds
    - Episode 9: 1 minute, 16 seconds

    Is that sad? I would consider that a good thing.
  • Sad for her maybe
  • Nihion
    3002 posts Member
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.

    Rose was a minor character. Why not feel bad for Greedo? He had low screen time.
  • jawa7778
    247 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.
    How is it an insult to the actor? Lots of minor characters get low screen time because they are a minor character. Not every character will get equal screen time.
  • jawa7778
    247 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.

    Rose was a minor character. Why not feel bad for Greedo? He had low screen time.
    I was re-watching the Clone Wars TV show, and he actually shows up in an episode, so he has some screen time there.
  • Nihion
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    Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.

    Rose was a minor character. Why not feel bad for Greedo? He had low screen time.

    She was definitely supposed to be a part of the main cast in the Last Jedi. Greedo was not.
  • Nihion
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    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.
    How is it an insult to the actor? Lots of minor characters get low screen time because they are a minor character. Not every character will get equal screen time.

    No, but also she was introduced as a main character, and then she just like “had to help Leia or something” in TROS.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.

    Rose was a minor character. Why not feel bad for Greedo? He had low screen time.

    She was definitely supposed to be a part of the main cast in the Last Jedi. Greedo was not.

    There was a lot of dislike for her character. It wasn't because she was a bad actress. It was because her character was poorly written, like a lot of the ST.
  • Nihion
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    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.

    Rose was a minor character. Why not feel bad for Greedo? He had low screen time.

    She was definitely supposed to be a part of the main cast in the Last Jedi. Greedo was not.

    There was a lot of dislike for her character. It wasn't because she was a bad actress. It was because her character was poorly written, like a lot of the ST.

    That’s true, and that’s probably why she went from “integral to the plot” to “ima sit back.” I just feel like it’s kind of rude to the actor.
  • LordDirt
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    Plenty of characters in movies have their moment and then go away from the forefront. For some reason people just point out Rose.
  • jawa7778
    247 posts Member
    LordDirt wrote: »
    Plenty of characters in movies have their moment and then go away from the forefront. For some reason people just point out Rose.
    That is true, but it's especially true for Rose. I think it's most prominent for Rose because it's Disney and they want to push their stuff and they have SJWs screaming at them to be more diverse with their cast or whatnot. Most of it is Johnson's horrible job of handling Episode 8.
  • jawa7778
    247 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Regardless of how bad her character was, it’s definitely insulting to the actor.

    Rose was a minor character. Why not feel bad for Greedo? He had low screen time.

    She was definitely supposed to be a part of the main cast in the Last Jedi. Greedo was not.

    There was a lot of dislike for her character. It wasn't because she was a bad actress. It was because her character was poorly written, like a lot of the ST.

    That’s true, and that’s probably why she went from “integral to the plot” to “ima sit back.” I just feel like it’s kind of rude to the actor.

    It was rude the way she was treated online, but it's just screenwriting that some characters lose screentime if they are disliked.
  • Nihion
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    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
  • jawa7778
    247 posts Member
    Nihion wrote: »
    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
    You keep saying it's rude to the actor, but I don't really understand why. That's just how it works, if someone in a series isn't liked, they aren't going to be repeated. Things that don't work shouldn't be repeated. Although you are technically correct that a more diverse cast may bring a wider audience, diversity at the cost of good storytelling is bad. The new movies checked all the "minority" boxes but suffered in storytelling because Finn, Rose and Rey were all pretty much-wasted characters. If you look at the new High Republic series, they are prioritizing diversity above other things, which leads nowhere. I'm not saying Star Wars should be all white characters, but sacrificing everything for the sake of diversity brings poor results.
  • DuneSeaFarmer
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    edited May 12
    Saddest moment in the saga (Movies and TV series)?

    "George Lucas confirms selling Star Wars to Disney" :P
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  • Saddest moment is easily Ahsoka leaving
  • Nihion
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    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
    You keep saying it's rude to the actor, but I don't really understand why. That's just how it works, if someone in a series isn't liked, they aren't going to be repeated. Things that don't work shouldn't be repeated. Although you are technically correct that a more diverse cast may bring a wider audience, diversity at the cost of good storytelling is bad. The new movies checked all the "minority" boxes but suffered in storytelling because Finn, Rose and Rey were all pretty much-wasted characters. If you look at the new High Republic series, they are prioritizing diversity above other things, which leads nowhere. I'm not saying Star Wars should be all white characters, but sacrificing everything for the sake of diversity brings poor results.

    They aren’t sacrificing anything for diversity. That is not true. You have no basis for that claim when it comes to the High Republic because it hasn’t happened yet.

    So let’s say your in a movie, and people hate your character. They trash you on the internet, even though it wasn’t your fault. You were close to a main character, and played a big role. You developed a strong relationship with a main character, but in the next movie, the director says, hey, things didn’t work out in the last movie, people didn’t like you, and I don’t want an internet rampage about my movie, so, we’re just gonna shove you to the side.

    Now, Kelly Marie Tran was probably fine with it because she is a nice person, but that seems kind of rude to me.

    I don’t know. That may not convince you. But the takeaway is, please don’t say that they sacrificed story for diversity.
  • littleMAC77
    2296 posts Member
    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
    You keep saying it's rude to the actor, but I don't really understand why. That's just how it works, if someone in a series isn't liked, they aren't going to be repeated. Things that don't work shouldn't be repeated. Although you are technically correct that a more diverse cast may bring a wider audience, diversity at the cost of good storytelling is bad. The new movies checked all the "minority" boxes but suffered in storytelling because Finn, Rose and Rey were all pretty much-wasted characters. If you look at the new High Republic series, they are prioritizing diversity above other things, which leads nowhere. I'm not saying Star Wars should be all white characters, but sacrificing everything for the sake of diversity brings poor results.

    um, implying that the race/gender/any sort of diversity in a made up universe would require any sort of "sacrifice" is extremely problematic. They could swap the race of literally any character in any of the movies with no plot side effects, and almost the same with gender. Do not confuse a story line you didn't like with a "sacrifice for diversity".
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  • If Rose was written better, then she would've been seen more. I guess from that perspective, the actress is being slighted.
  • Burying the dead in clone wars season 7. The music, the look on Ahsoka's face, finishing on Jesse's helmet. I am very emotional now that my childhood is over.
  • C3PO: "I'm taking one last look at my friends."
    I know he got his memory back almost right away, but in that moment it was pretty sad.

    What that he didn't get to take a one last look at his friends? Yeah it was, r2d2, chewie, han solo, Leila, lando, and Luke weren't there for him to have a final look, so instead he checked their family photo. z9aywnfbvvh3.jpg
  • Zombefyer
    150 posts Member
    The duel between Ahsoka and Darth Vader
  • KyJoe_Cool
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    The ending of Rogue One. When Cassian and Jyn are just looking at each other on the beach and he tells her “Your father would have been proud of you, Jyn.” And then Scariff is blown up by the Death Star with the music being played in the background... That one got me real good. And it still does every time I watch it.
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  • Boo
    4106 posts Member
    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
    You keep saying it's rude to the actor, but I don't really understand why. That's just how it works, if someone in a series isn't liked, they aren't going to be repeated. Things that don't work shouldn't be repeated. Although you are technically correct that a more diverse cast may bring a wider audience, diversity at the cost of good storytelling is bad. The new movies checked all the "minority" boxes but suffered in storytelling because Finn, Rose and Rey were all pretty much-wasted characters. If you look at the new High Republic series, they are prioritizing diversity above other things, which leads nowhere. I'm not saying Star Wars should be all white characters, but sacrificing everything for the sake of diversity brings poor results.

    um, implying that the race/gender/any sort of diversity in a made up universe would require any sort of "sacrifice" is extremely problematic. They could swap the race of literally any character in any of the movies with no plot side effects, and almost the same with gender. Do not confuse a story line you didn't like with a "sacrifice for diversity".


    Regardless of diversity, the ST was poorly written, but diversity was certainly pushed - due to the screamings of SJW activism in film.
  • Nihion
    3002 posts Member
    Boo wrote: »
    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
    You keep saying it's rude to the actor, but I don't really understand why. That's just how it works, if someone in a series isn't liked, they aren't going to be repeated. Things that don't work shouldn't be repeated. Although you are technically correct that a more diverse cast may bring a wider audience, diversity at the cost of good storytelling is bad. The new movies checked all the "minority" boxes but suffered in storytelling because Finn, Rose and Rey were all pretty much-wasted characters. If you look at the new High Republic series, they are prioritizing diversity above other things, which leads nowhere. I'm not saying Star Wars should be all white characters, but sacrificing everything for the sake of diversity brings poor results.

    um, implying that the race/gender/any sort of diversity in a made up universe would require any sort of "sacrifice" is extremely problematic. They could swap the race of literally any character in any of the movies with no plot side effects, and almost the same with gender. Do not confuse a story line you didn't like with a "sacrifice for diversity".


    Regardless of diversity, the ST was poorly written, but diversity was certainly pushed - due to the screamings of SJW activism in film.

    Based on what you just said, I’m not sure you even read the post you responded to.
  • Season 7 when the clones turn on Ahsoka... Especially that scene between Rex and Ahsoka when they’re overlooking the hangar
  • Boo wrote: »
    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
    You keep saying it's rude to the actor, but I don't really understand why. That's just how it works, if someone in a series isn't liked, they aren't going to be repeated. Things that don't work shouldn't be repeated. Although you are technically correct that a more diverse cast may bring a wider audience, diversity at the cost of good storytelling is bad. The new movies checked all the "minority" boxes but suffered in storytelling because Finn, Rose and Rey were all pretty much-wasted characters. If you look at the new High Republic series, they are prioritizing diversity above other things, which leads nowhere. I'm not saying Star Wars should be all white characters, but sacrificing everything for the sake of diversity brings poor results.

    um, implying that the race/gender/any sort of diversity in a made up universe would require any sort of "sacrifice" is extremely problematic. They could swap the race of literally any character in any of the movies with no plot side effects, and almost the same with gender. Do not confuse a story line you didn't like with a "sacrifice for diversity".


    Regardless of diversity, the ST was poorly written, but diversity was certainly pushed - due to the screamings of SJW activism in film.

    How exactly was diversity "pushed"? Like seriously, it is 2020. Having a couple (not even a majority) of major roles in a movie being women and/or non-white people should not be considered "pushing diversity". The world is vast and mostly not-white or male.

    Based on your responses, I am a little afraid to ask what you even mean by activism...
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  • Nihion
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    ZAP wrote: »
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    Boo wrote: »
    jawa7778 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I think that for Rose it’s clear that she was treated poorly, and then it’s easy to say that because people didn’t like her, she lost screen time, which honestly is pretty rude to the actor. Also, no, there are no “SJW’s” (often overused and misused term) shouting at Disney. It just makes sense that having a more diverse cast will bring a wider audience.
    You keep saying it's rude to the actor, but I don't really understand why. That's just how it works, if someone in a series isn't liked, they aren't going to be repeated. Things that don't work shouldn't be repeated. Although you are technically correct that a more diverse cast may bring a wider audience, diversity at the cost of good storytelling is bad. The new movies checked all the "minority" boxes but suffered in storytelling because Finn, Rose and Rey were all pretty much-wasted characters. If you look at the new High Republic series, they are prioritizing diversity above other things, which leads nowhere. I'm not saying Star Wars should be all white characters, but sacrificing everything for the sake of diversity brings poor results.

    um, implying that the race/gender/any sort of diversity in a made up universe would require any sort of "sacrifice" is extremely problematic. They could swap the race of literally any character in any of the movies with no plot side effects, and almost the same with gender. Do not confuse a story line you didn't like with a "sacrifice for diversity".


    Regardless of diversity, the ST was poorly written, but diversity was certainly pushed - due to the screamings of SJW activism in film.

    How exactly was diversity "pushed"? Like seriously, it is 2020. Having a couple (not even a majority) of major roles in a movie being women and/or non-white people should not be considered "pushing diversity". The world is vast and mostly not-white or male.

    Based on your responses, I am a little afraid to ask what you even mean by activism...

    KK definitely pushed diversity. I’m not saying SW shouldn’t be more widely representative, it should, but the ST was definitely “pushed” with that agenda in mind. There are also many reasons for it, but it was very personal for KK, which she’s openly spoken about.

    I agree with both of you. It should not have to be pushed, but it was, and that’s a good thing.

    Also, diversity doesn’t (or rather shouldn’t) have any effect on the characters themselves.
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