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Cubs did a bid last week with 4 whales, did you see it?
One has spent over $50,000 on the game. They want to be segregated from FTP players!
If you spend money ON A GAME, it's a choice! So why should your choice control the game?
Whatever someone spends should not effect the game. You spend for a competitive edge that should be enough. They went on to say,"CG should throw FTP players a bone"!! As if that's a positive..
INSANE imo

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  • Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.
  • The Fox and The Grapes, from Aesop’s Fables:

    Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'
  • Murchada wrote: »
    Cubs did a bid last week with 4 whales, did you see it?
    One has spent over $50,000 on the game. They want to be segregated from FTP players!
    If you spend money ON A GAME, it's a choice! So why should your choice control the game?
    Whatever someone spends should not effect the game. You spend for a competitive edge that should be enough. They went on to say,"CG should throw FTP players a bone"!! As if that's a positive..
    INSANE imo

    Did you even watch the video? None of your ramblings reflect that video, as it was surprisingly positive towards the game's state, GLs, and the F2P/Spender relationship. This was even more reflected in Cubs' video from this weekend, which had a F2P/Dolphin/Whale/Kraken (nearly 100k spent). I would recommend watching that and actually paying attention this time.
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  • Murchada wrote: »
    Whatever someone spends should not effect the game. You spend for a competitive edge that should be enough.

    Literally what?
  • John_Matrix1985
    2276 posts Member
    edited February 2020
    50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.
  • 50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    It is up to them how they spend their money but we also have the right to look down on them for spending an outrageous amount of cash on pixels that’ll be forgotten in a few years.
  • 50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    It is up to them how they spend their money but we also have the right to look down on them for spending an outrageous amount of cash on pixels that’ll be forgotten in a few years.

    I guess you have the "right" to look down on them for spending large sums of money on their hobby, but it makes you a pretty bad person imo.

    Why does everyone suddenly get so high and mighty when someone with disposable income decides to spend it on a mobile game rather than any other useless hobby they could blow their money on?
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  • 50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    It is up to them how they spend their money but we also have the right to look down on them for spending an outrageous amount of cash on pixels that’ll be forgotten in a few years.

    I guess you have the "right" to look down on them for spending large sums of money on their hobby, but it makes you a pretty bad person imo.

    Why does everyone suddenly get so high and mighty when someone with disposable income decides to spend it on a mobile game rather than any other useless hobby they could blow their money on?

    Single malts, cigars, or even cigarettes. I’d say this can be considered healthier.
  • SnakesOnAPlane
    4363 posts Member
    edited February 2020
    50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    Thing is, most are just guessing what they’ve spent, including us whales. I’m guessing I’ve spent in the area of $50-75k, but I’ll never 100% know. I’d bet less than 1% of whales track their true spending.

    Speaking of grandma’s, there was a player that stole credit from his family to fund this game. I don’t recall the exact amount, but it was something like $20k or more. When he got busted it all came crashing down.

    SnakesOnAPlane
  • Ugnaught
    481 posts Member
    edited February 2020
    What most people don't understand is when cash shops first started showing up in mmos 15-20 year's ago it was the overall consensus that people who used them were bad at games. I remember people who didn't want to admit that they spent money to get ahead because they were embarrassed.

    There has been a huge shift in perpective. Fast forward a couple decades. The whole "instant gratification" thing has become almost defining of the generation.

    I'm sure anyone with a lot of online gaming experience has had this conversation repeatedly. We don't need to get into all the contributing factors that brought us to where we are in the industry. ( though I guess we can if someone wants to have that conversation in PM). It is what it is. That is why some of that thought process still lingers today for those of us who experienced it.

  • Monel
    2776 posts Member
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.

    What makes me sad is when others try to tell people what makes them sad. Its perpetual downhill cycle of sadness.
  • Gifafi
    6017 posts Member
    ZAP wrote: »
    50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    Thing is, most are just guessing what they’ve spent, including us whales. I’m guessing I’ve spent in the area of $50-75k, but I’ll never 100% know. I’d bet less than 1% of whales track their true spending.

    This is absolutely true and the gaming industry is capitalizing on it big time. FTP game model seminars always have this point, whales don’t have a budget and spend a lot more than they think.

    so...the same as everything.
    Maybe End Game isn't for you
  • Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.

    What makes me sad is when others try to tell people what makes them sad. Its perpetual downhill cycle of sadness.

    It doesnt make me sad...they are sad. I made a post that explains the perspective better a few posts up from this one.
  • Monel
    2776 posts Member
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.

    What makes me sad is when others try to tell people what makes them sad. Its perpetual downhill cycle of sadness.

    It doesnt make me sad...they are sad. I made a post that explains the perspective better a few posts up from this one.

    Another post about sadness, where does it end?
  • Ugnaught
    481 posts Member
    edited February 2020
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.

    What makes me sad is when others try to tell people what makes them sad. Its perpetual downhill cycle of sadness.

    It doesnt make me sad...they are sad. I made a post that explains the perspective better a few posts up from this one.

    Another post about sadness, where does it end?

    I dont think it does as long as someone thinks its ok to buy success. There is a reason why millennial are looked down on so much. Its not age, its perspective. This is a microcosm.
  • Gifafi
    6017 posts Member
    edited February 2020
    ZAP wrote: »
    Gifafi wrote: »
    ZAP wrote: »
    50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    Thing is, most are just guessing what they’ve spent, including us whales. I’m guessing I’ve spent in the area of $50-75k, but I’ll never 100% know. I’d bet less than 1% of whales track their true spending.

    This is absolutely true and the gaming industry is capitalizing on it big time. FTP game model seminars always have this point, whales don’t have a budget and spend a lot more than they think.

    so...the same as everything.

    Kind of, but not really. Usually whales don’t have budgets for anything, but know closer to what they spent on say 100k car or 3 million dollar yacht.

    With mobile games, especially with massive amounts of transactions, most are way off if they had to guess the amount they spent.

    Case in point is snakesonaplane admitted massive gap between 50-75k

    what if you have 5 yachts or 20 cars? SOAP can always...check, you know.
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.

    What makes me sad is when others try to tell people what makes them sad. Its perpetual downhill cycle of sadness.

    It doesnt make me sad...they are sad. I made a post that explains the perspective better a few posts up from this one.

    Another post about sadness, where does it end?

    I dont think it does as long as someone thinks its ok to buy success. There is a reason why millennial are looked down on so much. Its not age, its perspective. This is a microcosm.

    lol buying success. ok. brb gonna check the threads about how whales get beat all the time while figuring out your millennial angle. thought they were broke? so many contradictions it's hard to keep up
    Maybe End Game isn't for you
  • Monel
    2776 posts Member
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.

    What makes me sad is when others try to tell people what makes them sad. Its perpetual downhill cycle of sadness.

    It doesnt make me sad...they are sad. I made a post that explains the perspective better a few posts up from this one.

    Another post about sadness, where does it end?

    I dont think it does as long as someone thinks its ok to buy success. There is a reason why millennial are looked down on so much. This is a microcosm.

    Pit of despair!
  • Ugnaught wrote: »
    I dont think it does as long as someone thinks its ok to buy success. There is a reason why millennial are looked down on so much. Its not age, its perspective. This is a microcosm.

    I don’t think the majority of whales in this game are millennials. Most seem to be in their 30s and 40s.
  • Money = Power mate

    It’s how Maf... the world works
  • Nihion
    3340 posts Member
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Monel wrote: »
    Ugnaught wrote: »
    Haha suckers. And I guarantee they couldn't compete in any real mmo where you can't buy an advantage. It's sad really when you think about it.

    What makes me sad is when others try to tell people what makes them sad. Its perpetual downhill cycle of sadness.

    It doesnt make me sad...they are sad. I made a post that explains the perspective better a few posts up from this one.

    Another post about sadness, where does it end?

    I dont think it does as long as someone thinks its ok to buy success. There is a reason why millennial are looked down on so much. Its not age, its perspective. This is a microcosm.

    Why isn’t it okay to buy success? They earned that money, and therefore earn what they do with it. Beating your opponents with money when you are worse at something than them is a strategy, such as Bloomberg buying tons and tons of ads in the American election. He was terrible in the debate, but his money puts him higher up in the rankings. And he’s a big boomer.

    That leads me to part two: I don’t know why you mentioned people looking down on millennials, and then mentioned age, but whatever you meant, this has nothing to do with millennials and newer generations. The fact that using the money you earned is a strategy is, well, a fact.
  • That is exactly the perspective I mean. To wonder why it isn't ok to buy success is very stereotypical of the instant gratification generation. Again, not about age specifically, but the perspective that is common amongst people within a certain age range. That is why it is a part of it.
  • Gifafi
    6017 posts Member
    ZAP wrote: »
    Gifafi wrote: »
    ZAP wrote: »
    Gifafi wrote: »
    ZAP wrote: »
    50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    Thing is, most are just guessing what they’ve spent, including us whales. I’m guessing I’ve spent in the area of $50-75k, but I’ll never 100% know. I’d bet less than 1% of whales track their true spending.

    This is absolutely true and the gaming industry is capitalizing on it big time. FTP game model seminars always have this point, whales don’t have a budget and spend a lot more than they think.

    so...the same as everything.

    Kind of, but not really. Usually whales don’t have budgets for anything, but know closer to what they spent on say 100k car or 3 million dollar yacht.

    With mobile games, especially with massive amounts of transactions, most are way off if they had to guess the amount they spent.

    Case in point is snakesonaplane admitted massive gap between 50-75k

    what if you have 5 yachts or 20 cars? SOAP can always...check, you know.

    There are many instances outside of gaming where this holds true as well, but with gaming transactions it’s heightened. When I say gaming, that includes casino gaming as well. The major difference with mobile gaming is the frequency, ease and quickness of the transactions.

    Look, there are people studying and making careers out of this in terms of gaming. Doesn’t take much more than a yacht to sell a yacht to a whale, but it’s taken mega tons of data and experimentation over the years and also understanding of psychology to continue to maximize extracting dollars out of whales.

    If you still don’t understand it, not much more I can say to help you.

    now buying things for a game is comparable to casinos? lol ok
    Maybe End Game isn't for you
  • marxuke
    163 posts Member
    edited February 2020
    I dont undestand why people spend so much money on this kind of game. But i accept that people can have different opinions and i dont have to agree with them. I watched the video as average player, but i dont have much to do with that info :D I dont even know those guys or what kind of life they are living.
  • Gifafi wrote: »
    ZAP wrote: »
    Gifafi wrote: »
    ZAP wrote: »
    Gifafi wrote: »
    ZAP wrote: »
    50000 is a pretty low spender compared to the rest of the guild. Those guys were 1M or so GP behind the top guy.

    Think about it. For that last 1M GP all those hard to get pieces of kit need to be bought.

    But each to their own. As long as they arent stealing off their grandma then it's up to them.

    Thing is, most are just guessing what they’ve spent, including us whales. I’m guessing I’ve spent in the area of $50-75k, but I’ll never 100% know. I’d bet less than 1% of whales track their true spending.

    This is absolutely true and the gaming industry is capitalizing on it big time. FTP game model seminars always have this point, whales don’t have a budget and spend a lot more than they think.

    so...the same as everything.

    Kind of, but not really. Usually whales don’t have budgets for anything, but know closer to what they spent on say 100k car or 3 million dollar yacht.

    With mobile games, especially with massive amounts of transactions, most are way off if they had to guess the amount they spent.

    Case in point is snakesonaplane admitted massive gap between 50-75k

    what if you have 5 yachts or 20 cars? SOAP can always...check, you know.

    There are many instances outside of gaming where this holds true as well, but with gaming transactions it’s heightened. When I say gaming, that includes casino gaming as well. The major difference with mobile gaming is the frequency, ease and quickness of the transactions.

    Look, there are people studying and making careers out of this in terms of gaming. Doesn’t take much more than a yacht to sell a yacht to a whale, but it’s taken mega tons of data and experimentation over the years and also understanding of psychology to continue to maximize extracting dollars out of whales.

    If you still don’t understand it, not much more I can say to help you.

    now buying things for a game is comparable to casinos? lol ok

    Actually, exactly that... remember when they had to disclose the odds on loot boxes because they couldn’t access certain overseas markets. Now you know you are truly gambling when you decide to buy a variable drop box...
  • Not really sure why people get all bent out of shape because of how someone chooses to spend their money. It belongs to them, let them spend it how they please. Is CG going to take advantage of those spenders? Of course they are, for better or worse their shareholders demand it.

    Value always needs to be viewed from the perspective of the purchaser. If it is worth it to you, why should anyone else tell you otherwise. Whether it's spending a million on a yacht, spending 50k on a game or $15 on avocado toast.

    There are a lot of things in this world that make me sad, this, not one of them. Priorities I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    My money, my choice.
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