Why did the GAC lock time change?

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I just missed the GAC join period cause i went to join and it was closed an hour earlier than normal. What brought about the change it always used to lock at the same time.

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    They shift it to account for daylight savings time. iirc this happened last fall after DST as well
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    It looks like it adjusted for DST, which is odd, since I don't think they've ever accounted for it before. And since parts of the world haven't switched yet, you got it early. Seems like a bad choice on CG's part.
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    They shift it to account for daylight savings time. iirc this happened last fall after DST as well

    This is the only event they change it for? They don’t change arena payouts or store refreshes etc.
  • jedibaer71
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    edited March 2020
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    @Snoopy4pres sorry for that.
    this lock-time was very interesting for me, too.
    has it something to do with the us-time-change? (was an hour too late for the sithraid yesterday 😬)
    had luck and joined gac. after changing mods for tw and back for gac just in time...
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    They shift it to account for daylight savings time. iirc this happened last fall after DST as well

    This is the only event they change it for? They don’t change arena payouts or store refreshes etc.

    They give you the option to change arena payouts/store refreshes yourself. All of the global events launch on a set schedule according to CG's local timezone, which just experience DST. I do believe that all the normal events are still launching at midnight pacific, which means if your local timezone doesn't observe DST their launch time has shifted relative to you as well.
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    It wouldn’t be an issue if roster lock still worked properly but they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....
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    They shift it to account for daylight savings time. iirc this happened last fall after DST as well

    This is the only event they change it for? They don’t change arena payouts or store refreshes etc.

    They give you the option to change arena payouts/store refreshes yourself. All of the global events launch on a set schedule according to CG's local timezone, which just experience DST. I do believe that all the normal events are still launching at midnight pacific, which means if your local timezone doesn't observe DST their launch time has shifted relative to you as well.

    Seems like an overly complicated system to have most of the game continue functioning the same ignoring daylight savings time and a few scattered events decided to observe it...
  • Ultra
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    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST
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    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    I understand that now but it seems absurd that half the game recognizes and adjusts to DST and the other half moves right along pretending it doesn’t exist. Seems you would pick one side or the other and stick with it.
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    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    GA round start/end was 6pm Eastern time after daylight savings change, it’s a logical assumption that it would continue that way.
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    If only GAC had a timer on it
  • Ultra
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    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    I understand that now but it seems absurd that half the game recognizes and adjusts to DST and the other half moves right along pretending it doesn’t exist. Seems you would pick one side or the other and stick with it.

    The game doesn't recognize or adjusts for DST

    There is a 24 hour timer, with things refreshing 6 hours (shipments and PO) and DST affects them only if your country observes DST

    Then there are events pushed by CG, these events, such as TB / TW and the rest, are chosen by CG when to launch and CG has always had it consistent
    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    GA round start/end was 6pm Eastern time after daylight savings change, it’s a logical assumption that it would continue that way.
    This isn't the first time we had DST during GAC

    They always updated to 5 PM EST local time
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    frankly if you missed it for waiting until last minute to join thats your fault, not CG or DLS changing things.

    to me unless you have a big unlock and/or gear advancement coming in during the 24 hour lock, there is no point in waiting to join. very little changes in a day usually.
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    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    Nope, it wasn't always like that for GA. I live in a country with no time changes and there was a time where it got changed too (it was the same as now, but at one point it was moved an hour later)
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    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    Nope, it wasn't always like that for GA. I live in a country with no time changes and there was a time where it got changed too (it was the same as now, but at one point it was moved an hour later)
    Right, Its more appropriate to say its CG's local time (2 PM EST)

    my bad
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    It wouldn’t be an issue if roster lock still worked properly but they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....

    Not liking how it works /= not working properly
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    TVF wrote: »
    It wouldn’t be an issue if roster lock still worked properly but they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....

    Not liking how it works /= not working properly

    You mean the counting clock above the button that tells you roster lock hasn’t happened yet is working properly?
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    TVF wrote: »
    It wouldn’t be an issue if roster lock still worked properly but they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....

    Not liking how it works /= not working properly

    When GAC was set up roster lock occurred once the join period ended it was the same for TW. Then they discovered a bug and their temp fix while they investigated it was to have roster lock occur when you join. For TW you could leave and rejoin but they didn’t give that option for GAC. They them decided rather than fixing the original lock mechanism they would just keep that temp fix as permanent. So it’s not that I just don’t like the system they have it’s just the never bothered to fix the system or give us a leave option like TW.
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    TVF wrote: »
    It wouldn’t be an issue if roster lock still worked properly but they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....

    Not liking how it works /= not working properly

    When GAC was set up roster lock occurred once the join period ended it was the same for TW. Then they discovered a bug and their temp fix while they investigated it was to have roster lock occur when you join. For TW you could leave and rejoin but they didn’t give that option for GAC. They them decided rather than fixing the original lock mechanism they would just keep that temp fix as permanent. So it’s not that I just don’t like the system they have it’s just the never bothered to fix the system or give us a leave option like TW.

    No, they fixed the bug with roster lock, just not in the way you (or many of us for that matter) wanted.

    The reason they moved to roster lock on join was due to a bug where your roster would actually lock the first time you entered GAC after the join period ended. This allowed people to make upgrades and even unlock characters after the join ended that were live in GAC. Their solution was to have your roster lock when you hit join, and according to them it is a non-trivial change to make it like TW due to how GAC mm works (source: last Q&A).
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    I missed it too. Oh well.
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    TVF wrote: »
    It wouldn’t be an issue if roster lock still worked properly but they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....

    Not liking how it works /= not working properly

    When GAC was set up roster lock occurred once the join period ended it was the same for TW. Then they discovered a bug and their temp fix while they investigated it was to have roster lock occur when you join. For TW you could leave and rejoin but they didn’t give that option for GAC. They them decided rather than fixing the original lock mechanism they would just keep that temp fix as permanent. So it’s not that I just don’t like the system they have it’s just the never bothered to fix the system or give us a leave option like TW.

    No, they fixed the bug with roster lock, just not in the way you (or many of us for that matter) wanted.

    The reason they moved to roster lock on join was due to a bug where your roster would actually lock the first time you entered GAC after the join period ended. This allowed people to make upgrades and even unlock characters after the join ended that were live in GAC. Their solution was to have your roster lock when you hit join, and according to them it is a non-trivial change to make it like TW due to how GAC mm works (source: last Q&A).

    Just because it is non trivial doesn’t mean that it should be ignored and pushed aside. At this point we haven’t been receiving new content just promising that there will be more and all the energy and oxygen is **** up with here are new packs to spend money on. Closest we are getting to anything new or fixed is just new levels in already made challenges. They’ve had months to work on it even if it isn’t trivial it could have been fixed not just ignored.
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    TVF wrote: »
    It wouldn’t be an issue if roster lock still worked properly but they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....

    Not liking how it works /= not working properly

    When GAC was set up roster lock occurred once the join period ended it was the same for TW. Then they discovered a bug and their temp fix while they investigated it was to have roster lock occur when you join. For TW you could leave and rejoin but they didn’t give that option for GAC. They them decided rather than fixing the original lock mechanism they would just keep that temp fix as permanent. So it’s not that I just don’t like the system they have it’s just the never bothered to fix the system or give us a leave option like TW.

    No, they fixed the bug with roster lock, just not in the way you (or many of us for that matter) wanted.

    The reason they moved to roster lock on join was due to a bug where your roster would actually lock the first time you entered GAC after the join period ended. This allowed people to make upgrades and even unlock characters after the join ended that were live in GAC. Their solution was to have your roster lock when you hit join, and according to them it is a non-trivial change to make it like TW due to how GAC mm works (source: last Q&A).

    Just because it is non trivial doesn’t mean that it should be ignored and pushed aside. At this point we haven’t been receiving new content just promising that there will be more and all the energy and oxygen is **** up with here are new packs to spend money on. Closest we are getting to anything new or fixed is just new levels in already made challenges. They’ve had months to work on it even if it isn’t trivial it could have been fixed not just ignored.

    Honestly, why should they spend a significant number of hours to change how they do GAC matchmaking to change something that is not broken? GAC roster lock now happens at a player controlled time and no longer allows for post "lock" character updates to be live in GAC.

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    ...they force you to wait till the last minute now in case you can get any roster upgrades....

    No one is forcing you to wait til the last minute.
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    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    You do know that EST means eastern standard time and not eastern time right? The gac join period was 5pm EST, which is technically 6pm EDT. and now that the US observed the time change GAC is now at 5pm EDT...
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    DuneFlint wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    You do know that EST means eastern standard time and not eastern time right? The gac join period was 5pm EST, which is technically 6pm EDT. and now that the US observed the time change GAC is now at 5pm EDT...

    You do know that places other than 'merica don't change times, right? This was not addressed until AFTER the lock. That's bogus man. If this is gonna happen you need to allow players to be aware of it before a major event happens. (major meaning one of the few ways to use toons).
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    Jack1210 wrote: »
    DuneFlint wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    You do know that EST means eastern standard time and not eastern time right? The gac join period was 5pm EST, which is technically 6pm EDT. and now that the US observed the time change GAC is now at 5pm EDT...

    You do know that places other than 'merica don't change times, right? This was not addressed until AFTER the lock. That's bogus man. If this is gonna happen you need to allow players to be aware of it before a major event happens. (major meaning one of the few ways to use toons).

    What happened after what lock? DST happened during the last GAC round, and then when the new one started they adjusted the 24 hour phases to start at the same local time (meaning CG's local time) as GAC had been starting. They did not shift anything during a live phase.
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    Jack1210 wrote: »
    DuneFlint wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    You do know that EST means eastern standard time and not eastern time right? The gac join period was 5pm EST, which is technically 6pm EDT. and now that the US observed the time change GAC is now at 5pm EDT...

    You do know that places other than 'merica don't change times, right? This was not addressed until AFTER the lock. That's bogus man. If this is gonna happen you need to allow players to be aware of it before a major event happens. (major meaning one of the few ways to use toons).

    Yes. I didn't say anything for or against what happened to the GAC time. I just get annoyed when people use EST as means of saying eastern time. Ultras statement was inaccurate because the gac is not always at 5pm EST. It is at 5pm EST, and 5pm EDT.
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    Jack1210 wrote: »
    DuneFlint wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    You do know that EST means eastern standard time and not eastern time right? The gac join period was 5pm EST, which is technically 6pm EDT. and now that the US observed the time change GAC is now at 5pm EDT...

    You do know that places other than 'merica don't change times, right? This was not addressed until AFTER the lock. That's bogus man. If this is gonna happen you need to allow players to be aware of it before a major event happens. (major meaning one of the few ways to use toons).

    What happened after what lock? DST happened during the last GAC round, and then when the new one started they adjusted the 24 hour phases to start at the same local time (meaning CG's local time) as GAC had been starting. They did not shift anything during a live phase.

    It can cause confusion when DST where CG are based happens at a different time from other nations. The UK and Europe don’t change clocks until the end of the month, so GAC phase starts, TW phase starts, event timers etc are currently an hour earlier than they usually are.

    This will all remedy itself for those of us over here when our clocks change.

    I personally don’t think it’s an issue anyway, as all these things have countdown timers displayed on the main cantina screen.
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    Jack1210 wrote: »
    DuneFlint wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    You do know that EST means eastern standard time and not eastern time right? The gac join period was 5pm EST, which is technically 6pm EDT. and now that the US observed the time change GAC is now at 5pm EDT...

    You do know that places other than 'merica don't change times, right? This was not addressed until AFTER the lock. That's bogus man. If this is gonna happen you need to allow players to be aware of it before a major event happens. (major meaning one of the few ways to use toons).

    What happened after what lock? DST happened during the last GAC round, and then when the new one started they adjusted the 24 hour phases to start at the same local time (meaning CG's local time) as GAC had been starting. They did not shift anything during a live phase.

    It can cause confusion when DST where CG are based happens at a different time from other nations. The UK and Europe don’t change clocks until the end of the month, so GAC phase starts, TW phase starts, event timers etc are currently an hour earlier than they usually are.

    This will all remedy itself for those of us over here when our clocks change.

    I personally don’t think it’s an issue anyway, as all these things have countdown timers displayed on the main cantina screen.

    I get that, I am just confused by the claim that they shifted the phase timing while it was live, which they did not do.
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  • Ultra
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    DuneFlint wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    GAC join period is always 5 PM EST local time
    Events are always 3 AM EST local time
    Heist events are always 6 AM EST local time

    Regardless of DST

    You do know that EST means eastern standard time and not eastern time right? The gac join period was 5pm EST, which is technically 6pm EDT. and now that the US observed the time change GAC is now at 5pm EDT...
    You do know that EST is the only timezone

    'MURRICA
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