Should GL be banned from PvP?

mInEcRaFtEr0617

Most of us have already read the abilities of the new GLs. They are extremely overpowered, to the point where they can easily and effectively render even the best squads irrelevant. Nothing will matter anymore except the GLs. No other squad will be useful in high level pvp anymore... well thats my opinion. What are yours?

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Artumas

Don’t ban them from pvp

If you banned them there'd be literally zero reason to even get them.
Not only that, but other squads ARE still relevant... in every mode that isn't squad arena, and in squad arena, you're looking at the ability to run literally dozens of potential squads under/with GLs. You can just as easily run Rey under half the teams in the game currently. Kylo's a bit more restrictive, but he still has likely dozens of potential squad setups.

GLs are fairly obviously something you're meant to run on every team. They've only been advertising them as such for what, 4-5 months now? If you haven't been working on them, that's your fault. Those of us that realized this would 100% be the new meta the second they were announced shouldn't be punished simply because people are only now realizing that yes, they ARE the new meta. Revan did the same thing. Malak even more so. Their counters were added AFTER them, for the most part. Padme didn't exist when the Revans were introduced.

Yes, it's a longer grind than previous characters. But that's why I straight ignored GAS and have been working on rey almost exclusively since early January. Because I saw that meta shift coming from a mile away. And no, it's not likely to change. There may be some future/current soft counters, but GLs being the meta is likely to continue for years until we get something even more busted. Because that's how this game has worked since launch.

mInEcRaFtEr0617

Ban them from pvp

Artumas wrote: »

If you banned them there'd be literally zero reason to even get them.
Not only that, but other squads ARE still relevant... in every mode that isn't squad arena, and in squad arena, you're looking at the ability to run literally dozens of potential squads under/with GLs. You can just as easily run Rey under half the teams in the game currently. Kylo's a bit more restrictive, but he still has likely dozens of potential squad setups.

GLs are fairly obviously something you're meant to run on every team. They've only been advertising them as such for what, 4-5 months now? If you haven't been working on them, that's your fault. Those of us that realized this would 100% be the new meta the second they were announced shouldn't be punished simply because people are only now realizing that yes, they ARE the new meta. Revan did the same thing. Malak even more so. Their counters were added AFTER them, for the most part. Padme didn't exist when the Revans were introduced.

Yes, it's a longer grind than previous characters. But that's why I straight ignored GAS and have been working on rey almost exclusively since early January. Because I saw that meta shift coming from a mile away. And no, it's not likely to change. There may be some future/current soft counters, but GLs being the meta is likely to continue for years until we get something even more busted. Because that's how this game has worked since launch.

The problem is that once these GL lead squads become more prominent in arena, the only counters will most likely be other GL added in the future. Once enough GL are added into the game, such as 4-5 new GL, the vast majority of the non-GL squads will no longer be able to dominate the competition, causing players to look towards new possible GL combinations, calling for new counters when a super op team is discovered, etc etc. There would be an endless loop. If not ban then from the arena, then at least nerf them and all future GL so that they are still strong but not incredibly overpowered.

And btw I have been working on GL Kylo, so the “If you haven’t been working on them, that is your fault” jab you made wasn’t really relevant or necessary.

Waqui

Don’t ban them from pvp

mInEcRaFtEr0617 wrote: »

Artumas wrote: »

If you banned them there'd be literally zero reason to even get them.
Not only that, but other squads ARE still relevant... in every mode that isn't squad arena, and in squad arena, you're looking at the ability to run literally dozens of potential squads under/with GLs. You can just as easily run Rey under half the teams in the game currently. Kylo's a bit more restrictive, but he still has likely dozens of potential squad setups.

GLs are fairly obviously something you're meant to run on every team. They've only been advertising them as such for what, 4-5 months now? If you haven't been working on them, that's your fault. Those of us that realized this would 100% be the new meta the second they were announced shouldn't be punished simply because people are only now realizing that yes, they ARE the new meta. Revan did the same thing. Malak even more so. Their counters were added AFTER them, for the most part. Padme didn't exist when the Revans were introduced.

Yes, it's a longer grind than previous characters. But that's why I straight ignored GAS and have been working on rey almost exclusively since early January. Because I saw that meta shift coming from a mile away. And no, it's not likely to change. There may be some future/current soft counters, but GLs being the meta is likely to continue for years until we get something even more busted. Because that's how this game has worked since launch.

The problem is that once these GL lead squads become more prominent in arena, the only counters will most likely be other GL added in the future.

Then people would just farm those, wouldn't they? How is that any different than farming other counters in the past?

Kyno

We should be happy they learned from the last experience of trying to BAN things from our inventories as an option for PvP events, not suggesting they do it again.

There is no reason that any PvP game mode should limit rosters.

littleMAC77

Don’t ban them from pvp

Kyno wrote: »

We should be happy they learned from the last experience of trying to BAN things from our inventories as an option for PvP events, not suggesting they do it again.

There is no reason that any PvP game mode should limit rosters.

Exactly as Kyno said here, one of the loudest complaints I have been around for on the Forums was the time they let us choose who to ban from TW. Banning characters from PvP is the worst idea they could possibly come up with, and is just a crutch for players who do not want to either develop the good team, or develop the counter to the good team. Every team has a non-mirror counter, find it, farm it, gear it.

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mInEcRaFtEr0617

Ban them from pvp

littleMAC77 wrote: »

Kyno wrote: »

We should be happy they learned from the last experience of trying to BAN things from our inventories as an option for PvP events, not suggesting they do it again.

There is no reason that any PvP game mode should limit rosters.

Exactly as Kyno said here, one of the loudest complaints I have been around for on the Forums was the time they let us choose who to ban from TW. Banning characters from PvP is the worst idea they could possibly come up with, and is just a crutch for players who do not want to either develop the good team, or develop the counter to the good team. Every team has a non-mirror counter, find it, farm it, gear it.

Kyno wrote: »

We should be happy they learned from the last experience of trying to BAN things from our inventories as an option for PvP events, not suggesting they do it again.

There is no reason that any PvP game mode should limit rosters.

Sebek wrote: »

Obviously no. GL are Like other characters(Revans, GAS or Commander Luke for that matter)

Waqui wrote: »

mInEcRaFtEr0617 wrote: »

Artumas wrote: »

If you banned them there'd be literally zero reason to even get them.
Not only that, but other squads ARE still relevant... in every mode that isn't squad arena, and in squad arena, you're looking at the ability to run literally dozens of potential squads under/with GLs. You can just as easily run Rey under half the teams in the game currently. Kylo's a bit more restrictive, but he still has likely dozens of potential squad setups.

GLs are fairly obviously something you're meant to run on every team. They've only been advertising them as such for what, 4-5 months now? If you haven't been working on them, that's your fault. Those of us that realized this would 100% be the new meta the second they were announced shouldn't be punished simply because people are only now realizing that yes, they ARE the new meta. Revan did the same thing. Malak even more so. Their counters were added AFTER them, for the most part. Padme didn't exist when the Revans were introduced.

Yes, it's a longer grind than previous characters. But that's why I straight ignored GAS and have been working on rey almost exclusively since early January. Because I saw that meta shift coming from a mile away. And no, it's not likely to change. There may be some future/current soft counters, but GLs being the meta is likely to continue for years until we get something even more busted. Because that's how this game has worked since launch.

The problem is that once these GL lead squads become more prominent in arena, the only counters will most likely be other GL added in the future.

Then people would just farm those, wouldn't they? How is that any different than farming other counters in the past?

I understand all of your concerns completely. I am probably going to start keeping a more open mind to this new feature instead of keeping a closed-mind view on the matter.

CCyrilS

Don’t ban them from pvp

Just jawas