Time to change GA matchmaking?

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  • TVF
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    edited July 1
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  • Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    My question is what relic 4 teams can defeat a relic 7 gas and relic 7 malak?

    R4 Padme can beat both teams. R3 DR, g12 SithEmpireTrooper, r3 basti, r3 hk47 and r3 Marauder can easily beat a r7 DR team if your Basti is faster. If you have Malak (I didn't unfortunately) then speeds won't matter much at all for the DR team.
  • Vi1teran_
    119 posts Member
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    My question is what relic 4 teams can defeat a relic 7 gas and relic 7 malak?

    R4 Padme can beat both teams. R3 DR, g12 SithEmpireTrooper, r3 basti, r3 hk47 and r3 Marauder can easily beat a r7 DR team if your Basti is faster. If you have Malak (I didn't unfortunately) then speeds won't matter much at all for the DR team.

    Thanks. Guess Padme is my next relic.
  • Waqui
    7341 posts Member
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.


    https://swgoh.gg/p/447269618/gac-history/?gac=24&r=3
    https://swgoh.gg/p/132267218/characters/

    I may have used an extreme example but I ask how I could have developed my roster to defeat my last opponent. I realize I could have made better choices both during match, and on my relics but I believe I would be hard pressed to have counters for Gas, Malak and GG and still have viable def. Most if not all my zetas and gear 12 characters that I don't (would perfer not to) use in gac were done before gac.
    Please note I did not have a reliced Vader and I believe my opponents 5s was only relic 3.

    I see you quoted me, but I don't see the relation between what you quoted and your own comment. Please elaborate if you want a more thorough response than this:

    If you have trouble beating GAS teams either don't put your counters on defense or spend your resources building another GAS counter (instead of taking Sabine to g12 w. zeta, taking BH to R4 and such). Also try building more complete teams (your g12 GG is not much good without g13 and the support of separatists, your clones are mediocre at best without Shaak Ti or GAS to lead them etc.).

    Your opponent built a much stronger roster for GAC and deserves the win.

    I quoted you because you suggested extreme relic discrepancies don't happen.

    If that's how you read my words I would suggest that you read them again. First Vi1tetan's comment:
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4- that mismatches are only about choices, I get if I relic ewok instead of sith empire I'm in trouble, that's different than if my opponent has a full relic 7 sith empire and I haven't unlocked Revan yet and everything else is equal.

    Then my respons:
    Waqui wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.

    How on earth do you interpret that as "extreme relic discrepancies don't happen."?

  • Vi1teran_
    119 posts Member
    Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.


    https://swgoh.gg/p/447269618/gac-history/?gac=24&r=3
    https://swgoh.gg/p/132267218/characters/

    I may have used an extreme example but I ask how I could have developed my roster to defeat my last opponent. I realize I could have made better choices both during match, and on my relics but I believe I would be hard pressed to have counters for Gas, Malak and GG and still have viable def. Most if not all my zetas and gear 12 characters that I don't (would perfer not to) use in gac were done before gac.
    Please note I did not have a reliced Vader and I believe my opponents 5s was only relic 3.

    I see you quoted me, but I don't see the relation between what you quoted and your own comment. Please elaborate if you want a more thorough response than this:

    If you have trouble beating GAS teams either don't put your counters on defense or spend your resources building another GAS counter (instead of taking Sabine to g12 w. zeta, taking BH to R4 and such). Also try building more complete teams (your g12 GG is not much good without g13 and the support of separatists, your clones are mediocre at best without Shaak Ti or GAS to lead them etc.).

    Your opponent built a much stronger roster for GAC and deserves the win.

    I quoted you because you suggested extreme relic discrepancies don't happen.

    If that's how you read my words I would suggest that you read them again. First Vi1tetan's comment:
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4- that mismatches are only about choices, I get if I relic ewok instead of sith empire I'm in trouble, that's different than if my opponent has a full relic 7 sith empire and I haven't unlocked Revan yet and everything else is equal.

    Then my respons:
    Waqui wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.

    How on earth do you interpret that as "extreme relic discrepancies don't happen."?

    You'll have to explain what you meant then because I don't understand why you believe that someone couldn't have 5 relic 7 characters be the only difference in rosters.
  • Waqui
    7341 posts Member
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.


    https://swgoh.gg/p/447269618/gac-history/?gac=24&r=3
    https://swgoh.gg/p/132267218/characters/

    I may have used an extreme example but I ask how I could have developed my roster to defeat my last opponent. I realize I could have made better choices both during match, and on my relics but I believe I would be hard pressed to have counters for Gas, Malak and GG and still have viable def. Most if not all my zetas and gear 12 characters that I don't (would perfer not to) use in gac were done before gac.
    Please note I did not have a reliced Vader and I believe my opponents 5s was only relic 3.

    I see you quoted me, but I don't see the relation between what you quoted and your own comment. Please elaborate if you want a more thorough response than this:

    If you have trouble beating GAS teams either don't put your counters on defense or spend your resources building another GAS counter (instead of taking Sabine to g12 w. zeta, taking BH to R4 and such). Also try building more complete teams (your g12 GG is not much good without g13 and the support of separatists, your clones are mediocre at best without Shaak Ti or GAS to lead them etc.).

    Your opponent built a much stronger roster for GAC and deserves the win.

    I quoted you because you suggested extreme relic discrepancies don't happen.

    If that's how you read my words I would suggest that you read them again. First Vi1tetan's comment:
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4- that mismatches are only about choices, I get if I relic ewok instead of sith empire I'm in trouble, that's different than if my opponent has a full relic 7 sith empire and I haven't unlocked Revan yet and everything else is equal.

    Then my respons:
    Waqui wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.

    How on earth do you interpret that as "extreme relic discrepancies don't happen."?

    You'll have to explain what you meant then because I don't understand why you believe that someone couldn't have 5 relic 7 characters be the only difference in rosters.

    If everything else is equal (your words) and you add those 5 R7 characters (SE team) and a JKR at whatever gear/relic level to one roster, then those two rosters won't be matched. It's a rather large difference in top-X GP.

    Yes, huge differences in relic levels happen, but not with all else being equal.
  • Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.


    https://swgoh.gg/p/447269618/gac-history/?gac=24&r=3
    https://swgoh.gg/p/132267218/characters/

    I may have used an extreme example but I ask how I could have developed my roster to defeat my last opponent. I realize I could have made better choices both during match, and on my relics but I believe I would be hard pressed to have counters for Gas, Malak and GG and still have viable def. Most if not all my zetas and gear 12 characters that I don't (would perfer not to) use in gac were done before gac.
    Please note I did not have a reliced Vader and I believe my opponents 5s was only relic 3.

    I see you quoted me, but I don't see the relation between what you quoted and your own comment. Please elaborate if you want a more thorough response than this:

    If you have trouble beating GAS teams either don't put your counters on defense or spend your resources building another GAS counter (instead of taking Sabine to g12 w. zeta, taking BH to R4 and such). Also try building more complete teams (your g12 GG is not much good without g13 and the support of separatists, your clones are mediocre at best without Shaak Ti or GAS to lead them etc.).

    Your opponent built a much stronger roster for GAC and deserves the win.

    I quoted you because you suggested extreme relic discrepancies don't happen.

    If that's how you read my words I would suggest that you read them again. First Vi1tetan's comment:
    Vi1teran_ wrote: »
    4- that mismatches are only about choices, I get if I relic ewok instead of sith empire I'm in trouble, that's different than if my opponent has a full relic 7 sith empire and I haven't unlocked Revan yet and everything else is equal.

    Then my respons:
    Waqui wrote: »
    4. If everything else is equal, those two rosters won't be matched, since that full R7 SE team will be part of the top-X characters. OP's case is in the "relicing ewok instead of Sith empire" category - only not that extreme.

    How on earth do you interpret that as "extreme relic discrepancies don't happen."?

    You'll have to explain what you meant then because I don't understand why you believe that someone couldn't have 5 relic 7 characters be the only difference in rosters.

    If everything else is equal (your words) and you add those 5 R7 characters (SE team) and a JKR at whatever gear/relic level to one roster, then those two rosters won't be matched. It's a rather large difference in top-X GP.

    Yes, huge differences in relic levels happen, but not with all else being equal.

    Ok sorry I misspoke I meant equal teams not exact and Darth Revan not JKR. Assuming the additional team, to make up the 80 for division 2 around 80k. It would be around 70 k spread over 75 characters to make the Not exactly outrageous bloat in my opinion. I stated it was an extreme example and I realize it's unlikely but I believe there should be some mitigation for this.

    Regardless someone answered my actual question so I'm good. Thanks
  • TVF wrote: »
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    Now that is the kind of post that is pure intellect I expect from TVF. I’m sure everyone would like to see more these kinds of posts from you. Brilliant insight as always...
  • TVF
    23477 posts Member
    IronCross wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
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    Now that is the kind of post that is pure intellect I expect from TVF. I’m sure everyone would like to see more these kinds of posts from you. Brilliant insight as always...

    Sometimes, people make mistakes. In this case, I posted something, realized it was in the wrong thread, and deleted it the only way possible. I made a mistake.

    Now, as you have also made a mistake, but paired it with an insult, I will hear your plea for forgiveness.
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  • TVF wrote: »
    IronCross wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
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    Now that is the kind of post that is pure intellect I expect from TVF. I’m sure everyone would like to see more these kinds of posts from you. Brilliant insight as always...

    Sometimes, people make mistakes. In this case, I posted something, realized it was in the wrong thread, and deleted it the only way possible. I made a mistake.

    Now, as you have also made a mistake, but paired it with an insult, I will hear your plea for forgiveness.

    Oh I’m quite sure it was a real gem.
  • Jasp
    30 posts Member
    Over 1/2 of the GL players have horrible rosters. Most of those undeveloped have poor rosters and horrible players behind them. It’s one thing of someone paid real money for it but on the flip side most are third party crystals.

    It’s the latest crutch for CG to look the other way hoping people spending will double down to keep up. Notice how all of those posts are deleted by a sad excuse for a forum moderator that has a job description similar to that of a communist country only allowing its own approved propaganda.
  • MaruMaru
    650 posts Member
    Jasp wrote: »
    Over 1/2 of the GL players have horrible rosters. Most of those undeveloped have poor rosters and horrible players behind them. It’s one thing of someone paid real money for it but on the flip side most are third party crystals.

    It’s the latest crutch for CG to look the other way hoping people spending will double down to keep up. Notice how all of those posts are deleted by a sad excuse for a forum moderator that has a job description similar to that of a communist country only allowing its own approved propaganda.

    So it's actually an advantage to against over half of the gl players since they have horrible rosters and are horrible players.
  • el_mago
    24 posts Member
    Jasp wrote: »
    Over 1/2 of the GL players have horrible rosters. Most of those undeveloped have poor rosters and horrible players behind them. It’s one thing of someone paid real money for it but on the flip side most are third party crystals.

    It’s the latest crutch for CG to look the other way hoping people spending will double down to keep up. Notice how all of those posts are deleted by a sad excuse for a forum moderator that has a job description similar to that of a communist country only allowing its own approved propaganda.

    I'm not sure there's a single drop of truth or sense in any sentence in that post.

    Kyno does a great job for an UNPAID babysitter to us bunch of spoiled brats. Have you actually read the venom spewed at CG on this forum? If it was being moderated by a communist-style regime moderator...wait, why am I even bothering...smh.
  • Bkb
    10 posts Member
    TVF wrote: »
    • R5 Bossk
    • R5 Jango
    • R5 Wampa
    • R5 KRU
    • R4 EP
    • R4 MT
    • R5 Boba
    • R7 Marauder
    • R5 Vet Han
    • R4 Dooku
    • R3 Sion
    • R3 DN
    • R3 Young Lando
    • R3 Zaalbar
    • R3 Vandor Chew

    This is why you are getting the matchups you are getting.

    Now compare to my roster.

    https://swgoh.gg/p/279847465/characters/

    I only relic what is necessary and as far as is necessary. My roster is entirely Arena and GAC focused. Yours is not. That's fine, but you are blaming CG for your own choices.

    Hi I found your comments very intuitive. Might I ask if a new player like me shall focus on top XX number of characters (in GAC MM range) or a more balanced one?

    From your comments I think the latter one?

    Hold one strong team for arena, and the rest are evenly geared?
  • Waqui
    7341 posts Member
    Bkb wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    • R5 Bossk
    • R5 Jango
    • R5 Wampa
    • R5 KRU
    • R4 EP
    • R4 MT
    • R5 Boba
    • R7 Marauder
    • R5 Vet Han
    • R4 Dooku
    • R3 Sion
    • R3 DN
    • R3 Young Lando
    • R3 Zaalbar
    • R3 Vandor Chew

    This is why you are getting the matchups you are getting.

    Now compare to my roster.

    https://swgoh.gg/p/279847465/characters/

    I only relic what is necessary and as far as is necessary. My roster is entirely Arena and GAC focused. Yours is not. That's fine, but you are blaming CG for your own choices.

    Hi I found your comments very intuitive. Might I ask if a new player like me shall focus on top XX number of characters (in GAC MM range) or a more balanced one?

    From your comments I think the latter one?

    Hold one strong team for arena, and the rest are evenly geared?

    Depends on your current roster and what your focus is. If your focus is GAC only gear the characters that are viable for GAC and only gear them enough for them to do their job.

    However, if I was a new player, I personally wouldn't worry too much about GAC. There are so many legendary (etc.) characters to unlock for other purposes.
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