This is really bothering me...

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  • I don’t think his point is that far fetched. Everyone likes to throw the “it’s a holofable simulation” thing out there, but most things in the game are fairly consistent with lore. Especially around faction tags.
    They almost always make sense from a lore perspective as well, other than a few edge cases where it’s debatable (Asajj as a sith for example).

    It’s relatively rare where a toon doesn’t have tags that would undoubtedly apply from a lore POV.

    I get that it is what it is and that game balance is the reason. But I also don’t think that he is that far out in left field to question it.
  • Kyno
    27467 posts Moderator
    kello_511 wrote: »
    I don’t think his point is that far fetched. Everyone likes to throw the “it’s a holofable simulation” thing out there, but most things in the game are fairly consistent with lore. Especially around faction tags.
    They almost always make sense from a lore perspective as well, other than a few edge cases where it’s debatable (Asajj as a sith for example).

    It’s relatively rare where a toon doesn’t have tags that would undoubtedly apply from a lore POV.

    I get that it is what it is and that game balance is the reason. But I also don’t think that he is that far out in left field to question it.

    They are?

    You do realize that many of the game modes have us pitting toons against situations they were not even in, or teams of toons that are both LS and DS, or even the same person standing next to themselves......

    There are less lore based things in this game than there are lore based, when you really look at it.

    You are right, and most here are not giving him any flack for asking, but just as it's not out of left field to ask, it's also not out of left field to accept that it's a game about a game and that in game balance is important and in some cases more important than adding lore.

    Note: I said adding lore, because he still follows lore with the tags he has, they just didnt add more that would also fit within lore. They have never broken the following of lore when making any kit, they have limited the view, sure, but they have never in any way put a tag on that didnt make sense from a lore perspective.
  • TVF
    26737 posts Member
    kello_511 wrote: »
    kello_511 wrote: »
    I get that it is what it is and that game balance is the reason. But I also don’t think that he is that far out in left field to question it.

    The way he is doing it, screaming like a two year old, is though

    I agree that it won’t get anywhere, but making the counter-point that “lore means nothing at all in this game” isn’t very accurate either.

    It's not that it means nothing, it means that it takes a backseat to game balance. It's still in the car.
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  • I would just like to point out that by JKLS not being a GL, he can be part of a GLs team. That's not a bad thing.
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  • Nikoms565
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    D4n040798 wrote: »
    I was upset about that because I thought he would be the first Galactic Legend from outside the Sequel trilogy but turns out he isn’t. When will we see Galactic Legends from the Prequel and Original trilogies?

    In a different thread....
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  • D4n040798 wrote: »
    All I’m saying is they should choose who gets what tags based more on lore and less on game balance if this is a Star Wars game.
    If devs were thinking like that we wouldn't have a game at this point.
  • Waqui
    7992 posts Member
    D4n040798 wrote: »
    All I’m saying is they should choose who gets what tags based more on lore and less on game balance if this is a Star Wars game.

    No, they shouldn't. You said it yourself:
    This is a Star Wars game. Not a Star Wars book of lore.
  • kello_511 wrote: »
    kello_511 wrote: »
    I get that it is what it is and that game balance is the reason. But I also don’t think that he is that far out in left field to question it.

    The way he is doing it, screaming like a two year old, is though

    I agree that it won’t get anywhere, but making the counter-point that “lore means nothing at all in this game” isn’t very accurate either.

    None of us said lore means nothing at all. Most of us said game balance is more important than lore but lore is still considered if game balance isn't a problem (which it almost always is).
  • StarSon
    4812 posts Member
    D4n040798 wrote: »
    In some ways, some of the events are like reading a book of lore, for example, Luke Skywalker’s Hero’s Journey (CLS), each tier is like the chapter of a book. So in some ways, this game is a book of lore.

    Yes, in some ways, but not all ways. I'm not sure how giving him the Rebel tag would cause balance issues, but CG clearly thinks it would. Game balance is more important than lore.
  • D4n040798 wrote: »
    Do you think CG would tell us why a Rebel tag would cause balance issues if we called them?

    You can ask that next Q&A.
  • D4n040798 wrote: »
    Do you think CG would tell us why a Rebel tag would cause balance issues if we called them?

    If JKL got the rebel tag you could make JKL have bonuses and synergies with Chewbacca, Han, CLS, C3P0, R2D2, and Chewpio. We have already seen that the rebels alone can take on GAS, Kylo, and Rey. Adding JKL to that mix would be way to overpowered and would cause balance issues.
  • StarSon
    4812 posts Member
    D4n040798 wrote: »
    Do you think CG would tell us why a Rebel tag would cause balance issues if we called them?

    They might. They told us why the Vets didn't get the Resistance tag.
  • StarSon
    4812 posts Member
    D4n040798 wrote: »
    It wouldn’t be any different from Ahsoka Tano having Nightsister synergies even though she’s a Jedi.

    Ahsoka's NS synergies don't cause balance issues.
  • TheMaster12345
    605 posts Member
    edited October 2020
    D4n040798 wrote: »
    How is it that Ahsoka’s NS synergies don’t cause balance problems but Rebel synergies for JKL would? Because Rebel synergies for JKL, NS synergies for Ahsoka, same principle, right?
    D4n040798 wrote: »
    Do you think CG would tell us why a Rebel tag would cause balance issues if we called them?

    If JKL got the rebel tag you could make JKL have bonuses and synergies with Chewbacca, Han, CLS, C3P0, R2D2, and Chewpio. We have already seen that the rebels alone can take on GAS, Kylo, and Rey. Adding JKL to that mix would be way to overpowered and would cause balance issues.

    Also, Ahsoka having synergies with NS doesn't alter the meta or mess up the top teams in anyway. In all Ahsoka having NS synergies doesn't have a big affect on the game overall.
  • StarSon
    4812 posts Member
    D4n040798 wrote: »
    How is it that Ahsoka’s NS synergies don’t cause balance problems but Rebel synergies for JKL would? Because Rebel synergies for JKL, NS synergies for Ahsoka, same principle, right?

    No, not the same principle. Ahsoka's leader gives 14% evasion. Not exactly groundbreaking. And it is significantly worse than either Asajj or Talzin's leads.

    Now, consider if JKL had the Rebel tag, and you had a team of CLS (L) R2 Chewpio Chewbacca JKL. JKL would now always have counter chance, as well as a whole lot of added stats from R2 and Chewpio.

    These two scenarios are not even remotely similar.
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